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Re: Photo: GN Boxcar 51317 With Forward Facing Rocky (1943)

Fred Jansz
 

Garth,

Carbona AKA South Tesla Junction AKA Tracy from May 2, 1965 on.
(Steve Hayes, WP depots & stations, page 131)

cheers, Fred Jansz


Re: SNX 1609

Schuyler Larrabee
 

This is VERY helpful, Doug.  One more question and I think I can be satisfied I’ll have a good pretty accurate model:

 

Is the “long rectangle pattern” roof walk painted silver or the same as the ends?

Thanks for the links to the decals, too, as I have a use for both of those eventually.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2020 4:26 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SNX 1609

 

My understanding is that National Car Company was Fruit Grower’s answer for meat reefers. Wikipedia states: In February, 1928 FGE formed the National Car Company as a subsidiary to service the meat transportation market.

 

All photos I have of NX cars are leased to meat packers, or marked with meat rails for meat service. A photo of NX 3647 shows a wood sided reefer with metal running board (long rectangle pattern), and a lighter colored roof (BW photo). The car is lettered to be returned to CBQ at Galesburg and was weighed at PLT, ie Plattsmouth. Morrel, Kahns, & Rath used NX reefers.

 

Protocraft’s website offers this.

The National Car Company was established in 1930 as a leasing subsidiary of the FGE. By 1940, NX had more than 1,600 reefers on its roster with many other

reporting marks for their leased cars such as Oscar Mayer (OMX), Kingan & CO. (KRLX), E. Kahn (EKSX), Superior Packing (SPCX) and others. National operated

into the 1960’s. Cars with the NX reporting marks were leased to the other company’s and railroads with signs on the side directing it’s return to the lessee.

 

https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=859&Categoryid=21

https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=1050&Categoryid=21

 

 

 


Re: SNX 1609

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks Bill,

 

There’s no VENTILATOR on the sides for the car.

 

The hardware is picked out in black.

 

What are your thoughts about the color of the roof walk, which evidently by rule should be a metal walk.?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2020 4:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SNX 1609

 

First of all Plattsmouth was a Reweight station belonging to Burlington Refrigerator Express. Around 1951 the FGE/WFE/BRE/NX System began to paint the side hardware reefer yellow and the roofs Aluminum. Ends remained Oxide'ish. During this period they also simplified the car stenciling dropping "VENTILATOR."

Bill Welch


Re: SNX 1609

Douglas Harding
 

My understanding is that National Car Company was Fruit Grower’s answer for meat reefers. Wikipedia states: In February, 1928 FGE formed the National Car Company as a subsidiary to service the meat transportation market.

 

All photos I have of NX cars are leased to meat packers, or marked with meat rails for meat service. A photo of NX 3647 shows a wood sided reefer with metal running board (long rectangle pattern), and a lighter colored roof (BW photo). The car is lettered to be returned to CBQ at Galesburg and was weighed at PLT, ie Plattsmouth. Morrel, Kahns, & Rath used NX reefers.

 

Protocraft’s website offers this.

The National Car Company was established in 1930 as a leasing subsidiary of the FGE. By 1940, NX had more than 1,600 reefers on its roster with many other

reporting marks for their leased cars such as Oscar Mayer (OMX), Kingan & CO. (KRLX), E. Kahn (EKSX), Superior Packing (SPCX) and others. National operated

into the 1960’s. Cars with the NX reporting marks were leased to the other company’s and railroads with signs on the side directing it’s return to the lessee.

 

https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=859&Categoryid=21

https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=1050&Categoryid=21

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 


Re: SNX 1609

Bill Welch
 

First of all Plattsmouth was a Reweight station belonging to Burlington Refrigerator Express. Around 1951 the FGE/WFE/BRE/NX System began to paint the side hardware reefer yellow and the roofs Aluminum. Ends remained Oxide'ish. During this period they also simplified the car stenciling dropping "VENTILATOR."

Bill Welch


Re: Flat Black

Tony Thompson
 

Denny Anspach wrote:

I have yet to use the P-B-L Star Brand model paints, reliably reported to be basically formulated identical to TruColor and Accupaint. Are they glossy or flat  Some one and some the other? Is the black actually flat, or otherwise?

    Not sure whee that BS came from. The Star paints use a solvent thinner. They might have the same pigments as Tru-Color . . . but they sure paint differently. I would say they are a satin finish. I coat them with gloss before decalling.

Tony Thompson




New Posting NP Boxcar Build

Gene Deimling
 


Construction continues on my scratchbuilt P48 boxcar project. 

Please take a look. 
Gene 

--
Gene Deimling
El Dorado Hills, CA


Re: SNX 1609

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Schuyler,

Mont Switzer wrote an article on FGEX family reefers in the March 2011 RMC. It is supposedly about a Kahn's reefer, but other cars are shown. One of his models is NX 6808. He did the roof in silver, and it appears that the running board is FCR. 

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 12:22 PM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

All,

 

Several years ago I bought, at Cocoa Beach, a 5th Avenue Car Shops, Accurail kit for a National Car Company reefer.  Now that it’s properly aged I thought I’d get to it and assemble it, adding appropriate details as I can.  But the first instruction is to paint the roof “silver.”

 

And that is my question.  What is meant by the term “silver?”   Silver as in the prototype was actually painted with silver paint?  Or is this a “galvanized roof color silver?”  The sides are lettered as “REBUILT PLT 1-52” which is also the last reweigh date, so this is a “new” car for my modeling purposes.

 

I have a mix I use for galvanized roofs which is part silver, part gray, and looks very good.  But I also have silver paint, and could use that.  In any event, it will get a dusting of loco exhaust (both, either, steam or diesel) and perhaps some light weathering, dust along the bottom edge mostly, along the sides and ends.

 

Oh, and while we’re at it, the supplied roof walk is wood, painted brown to match the ends (and underframe).  In ’52, would these cars have a metal roof walk?  Of what style?  And one more variable, should the roof walk be painted silver, too?  And is that a “depends on whether it’s wood or metal” question?

 

And what may be a minor point: Where was “PLT” ?

 

Thanks for the assistance I know this list can provide.

 

Schuyler


Re: SNX 1609

Tony Thompson
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Ah!  Google has brought me to Tony Thompson’s blog post:
Which answers several questions, including the Silver vs Galvanized issue.  He also added a number of details which I will emulate.  While he used a metal roof walk, since the kit I have is a wood sided car, I think the jury’s still out on whether I should convert to a metal walk?

     That's an era issue. After the 1944 outlawing of wood running boards on new construction (except tank cars), most owners with a little money did replace running boards whenever cars were in the shop. I would bet on FGE doing the same.

Tony Thompson




Re: SNX 1609

Tony Thompson
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

And that is my question.  What is meant by the term “silver?”   Silver as in the prototype was actually painted with silver paint?  Or is this a “galvanized roof color silver?”  

     First, as Schuyler well knows, "silver" is a color, not necessarily referring to the metal. Aluminum paint has been around since the 1920s, and is indeed silvery. Fresh galvanized is pretty silvery too, but soon oxidizes to gray. My guess is that the FGEX / NX cars had alumni,-painted roofs. There must be paint and lettering diagrams around.

Tony Thompson




Re: Flat Black

Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...>
 

I have yet to use the P-B-L Star Brand model paints, reliably reported to be basically formulated identical to TruColor and Accupaint. Are they glossy or flat  Some one and some the other? Is the black actually flat, or otherwise?

Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA 95864




Re: Photo: GN Boxcar 51317 With Forward Facing Rocky (1943)

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

So Bob,

What about us WP fans?  🤪  WP caboose 778 is one of the original 50 Haskell & Barker cabooses built for the WP in 1910. It received a steel underframe in a mid-1920s rebuild at the Sacramento shops, but retained its truss roads. The car was wrecked at Carbona (wherever that is) and written off in November 1945.

The GN boxcar is one of those 1937 single-sheathed boxcars that the Athearn kluge is supposed to resemble, but is actually a mish-mash with tooling from their original 5/5 end steel boxcar model. Sunshine did the car correctly.

Nice find. Thanks for sharing.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 11:28 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: GN Boxcar 51317 With Forward Facing Rocky (1943)

A photo from the University of Utah Digital Library:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6qj9cn1

For you GN fans.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: SNX 1609

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Schuyler,

I'm not Bill Welch, but all of the photos I've seen of Our Companies' reefers with silver roofs show everything on the roof to be silver including the running board and laterals.  Hope this helps.

Todd Sullivan


Re: SNX 1609

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Ah!  Google has brought me to Tony Thompson’s blog post:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2016/04/upgrading-simple-freight-car-kit.html

Which answers several questions, including the Silver vs Galvanized issue.  He also added a number of details which I will emulate.  While he used a metal roof walk, since the kit I have is a wood sided car, I think the jury’s still out on whether I should convert to a metal walk?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2020 2:07 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SNX 1609

 

I should have also mentioned that the 5th Avenue Car Shops does custom printed cars, and they’re not part of the Accurail line.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of StephenK
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2020 1:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SNX 1609

 

I don't know what your car looks like, but Accurail shows two National Packing cars on its website.   First there is this: http://www.accurail.com/accurail/ART/8500/8527.jpg with the large white herald.   The roof and ends are brown or box car red.   Then there is this:  http://www.accurail.com/accurail/ART/8500/8507.jpg, which, as you can see, has a silver roof.   Both these kits have metal roof walks.   The silver roof is silver paint on the model--not galvanized.

I have both of these cars and built them with only a few modifications:  uncoupling  levers, a revised center drop step to more closely match the prototype, and an improved roof walk on the silver roofed model.   They go together easily and look good on the rails.

Steve Kay


Re: SNX 1609

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I should have also mentioned that the 5th Avenue Car Shops does custom printed cars, and they’re not part of the Accurail line.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of StephenK
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2020 1:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SNX 1609

 

I don't know what your car looks like, but Accurail shows two National Packing cars on its website.   First there is this: http://www.accurail.com/accurail/ART/8500/8527.jpg with the large white herald.   The roof and ends are brown or box car red.   Then there is this:  http://www.accurail.com/accurail/ART/8500/8507.jpg, which, as you can see, has a silver roof.   Both these kits have metal roof walks.   The silver roof is silver paint on the model--not galvanized.

I have both of these cars and built them with only a few modifications:  uncoupling  levers, a revised center drop step to more closely match the prototype, and an improved roof walk on the silver roofed model.   They go together easily and look good on the rails.

Steve Kay


Re: SNX 1609

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I should have noted that the Accurail instructions in the box indicate that this is a 4800 series wood sided car.  But I do see that you’re showing a silver painted roof, not a galvanized color.  Thanks Steve,

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of StephenK
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2020 1:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SNX 1609

 

I don't know what your car looks like, but Accurail shows two National Packing cars on its website.   First there is this: http://www.accurail.com/accurail/ART/8500/8527.jpg with the large white herald.   The roof and ends are brown or box car red.   Then there is this:  http://www.accurail.com/accurail/ART/8500/8507.jpg, which, as you can see, has a silver roof.   Both these kits have metal roof walks.   The silver roof is silver paint on the model--not galvanized.

I have both of these cars and built them with only a few modifications:  uncoupling  levers, a revised center drop step to more closely match the prototype, and an improved roof walk on the silver roofed model.   They go together easily and look good on the rails.

Steve Kay


Re: SNX 1609

StephenK
 

I don't know what your car looks like, but Accurail shows two National Packing cars on its website.   First there is this: http://www.accurail.com/accurail/ART/8500/8527.jpg with the large white herald.   The roof and ends are brown or box car red.   Then there is this:  http://www.accurail.com/accurail/ART/8500/8507.jpg, which, as you can see, has a silver roof.   Both these kits have metal roof walks.   The silver roof is silver paint on the model--not galvanized.

I have both of these cars and built them with only a few modifications:  uncoupling  levers, a revised center drop step to more closely match the prototype, and an improved roof walk on the silver roofed model.   They go together easily and look good on the rails.

Steve Kay


Re: SNX 1609

Schuyler Larrabee
 

That’s what I was thinking, and I appreciate the validation, but I’m seeking the collective wisdom of the crowd here.  I anticipate our thinking will be validated.

 

Still, would the roof walk be painted the same, wood? Metal?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2020 12:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SNX 1609

 

Schuyler,

 

In that era, there was a move on to paint refrigerator car roofs with silver colored paint to help reflect heat from the sun. So this should look different from your galvanized roofs.

 

Regards

Bruce

 

Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

 

 



On Sep 3, 2020, at 11:22 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

 

All,

 

Several years ago I bought, at Cocoa Beach, a 5th Avenue Car Shops, Accurail kit for a National Car Company reefer.  Now that it’s properly aged I thought I’d get to it and assemble it, adding appropriate details as I can.  But the first instruction is to paint the roof “silver.”

 

And that is my question.  What is meant by the term “silver?”   Silver as in the prototype was actually painted with silver paint?  Or is this a “galvanized roof color silver?”  The sides are lettered as “REBUILT PLT 1-52” which is also the last reweigh date, so this is a “new” car for my modeling purposes.

 

I have a mix I use for galvanized roofs which is part silver, part gray, and looks very good.  But I also have silver paint, and could use that.  In any event, it will get a dusting of loco exhaust (both, either, steam or diesel) and perhaps some light weathering, dust along the bottom edge mostly, along the sides and ends.

 

Oh, and while we’re at it, the supplied roof walk is wood, painted brown to match the ends (and underframe).  In ’52, would these cars have a metal roof walk?  Of what style?  And one more variable, should the roof walk be painted silver, too?  And is that a “depends on whether it’s wood or metal” question?

 

And what may be a minor point: Where was “PLT” ?

 

Thanks for the assistance I know this list can provide.

 

Schuyler

 


Re: SNX 1609

Bruce Smith
 

Schuyler,

In that era, there was a move on to paint refrigerator car roofs with silver colored paint to help reflect heat from the sun. So this should look different from your galvanized roofs.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Sep 3, 2020, at 11:22 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

All,
 
Several years ago I bought, at Cocoa Beach, a 5th Avenue Car Shops, Accurail kit for a National Car Company reefer.  Now that it’s properly aged I thought I’d get to it and assemble it, adding appropriate details as I can.  But the first instruction is to paint the roof “silver.”
 
And that is my question.  What is meant by the term “silver?”   Silver as in the prototype was actually painted with silver paint?  Or is this a “galvanized roof color silver?”  The sides are lettered as “REBUILT PLT 1-52” which is also the last reweigh date, so this is a “new” car for my modeling purposes.
 
I have a mix I use for galvanized roofs which is part silver, part gray, and looks very good.  But I also have silver paint, and could use that.  In any event, it will get a dusting of loco exhaust (both, either, steam or diesel) and perhaps some light weathering, dust along the bottom edge mostly, along the sides and ends.
 
Oh, and while we’re at it, the supplied roof walk is wood, painted brown to match the ends (and underframe).  In ’52, would these cars have a metal roof walk?  Of what style?  And one more variable, should the roof walk be painted silver, too?  And is that a “depends on whether it’s wood or metal” question?
 
And what may be a minor point: Where was “PLT” ?
 
Thanks for the assistance I know this list can provide.
 
Schuyler


Re: SNX 1609

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Good start on the answers to the questions, thanks, John.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Barry
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2020 12:32 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SNX 1609

 

Schuyler,

 

I can't answer the color question, but referencing the Station & Reweigh Symbols spreadsheet previously discussed shows PLT to be the symbol for Plattsmouth, NE.

 

John Barry

 

ATSF North Bay Lines 

Golden Gates & Fast Freights 

Lovettsville, VA

 

707-490-9696 

 

PO Box 44736 

Washington, DC 20026-4736

 

 

On Thursday, September 3, 2020, 12:22:38 PM EDT, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

 

 

All,

 

Several years ago I bought, at Cocoa Beach, a 5th Avenue Car Shops, Accurail kit for a National Car Company reefer.  Now that it’s properly aged I thought I’d get to it and assemble it, adding appropriate details as I can.  But the first instruction is to paint the roof “silver.”

 

And that is my question.  What is meant by the term “silver?”   Silver as in the prototype was actually painted with silver paint?  Or is this a “galvanized roof color silver?”  The sides are lettered as “REBUILT PLT 1-52” which is also the last reweigh date, so this is a “new” car for my modeling purposes.

 

I have a mix I use for galvanized roofs which is part silver, part gray, and looks very good.  But I also have silver paint, and could use that.  In any event, it will get a dusting of loco exhaust (both, either, steam or diesel) and perhaps some light weathering, dust along the bottom edge mostly, along the sides and ends.

 

Oh, and while we’re at it, the supplied roof walk is wood, painted brown to match the ends (and underframe).  In ’52, would these cars have a metal roof walk?  Of what style?  And one more variable, should the roof walk be painted silver, too?  And is that a “depends on whether it’s wood or metal” question?

 

And what may be a minor point: Where was “PLT” ?

 

Thanks for the assistance I know this list can provide.

 

Schuyler

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