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Mid 1920s 3/3/3 dreadnaught end

Robert kirkham
 


Looking for a part for a model part (HO scale) - an inward protruding dreadnaught end with 3/3/3 configuration.  The design is mid to late 1920s.

I’m wondering if I may need a sacrificial MDC roundhouse 50’ single sheathed car, but hoping there is something I do not need to destroy. 

If that is the best option, wondering if anyone knows where an undecorated model can be had.

Rob Kirkham 


Re: image from Homestead, PA in 1915

Dennis Storzek
 

What catches my eye is the early interlocking steel sheet piling lining the excavations in the foreground. Here is a brief history quoted from this web site:
https://jdfieldsusa.wordpress.com/2015/03/07/history-of-sheet-piling/

"A manufacturer from the United States, Gregson, was the first to patent a bulb and jaw interlock in 1899 but this system still did not serve its intended purpose because it resulted in a flat section with a tiny section modulus. This then led to the first steel sheet pile with a U section and riveted interlocks being developed by Tryggve Larssen, the state chief engineer for the city of Bremen in Germany, at the turn of the century. Larssen’s wave shaped sheet pile was a revolutionary development because it increased the strength and efficiency of steel retaining walls. However, this design still contained an interlock system that was partially fabricated after the manufacturing process. In 1914, sheet pile with rivet-less interlocking systems made their debut in Germany. Sheet pile that has been developed since Larssen’s innovation have been based of his design concept."

Dennis Storzek


image from Homestead, PA in 1915

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
I have been having an enjoyable time taking in what there is to see on this image from Homestead, PA in 1915 and linked below...
 
 
Zoom in to the image and have a look.
 
Nearest the camera, BR&P composite gon 17485, is in the process of being loaded. The load bracing is partially in place, the vertical braces positioned in the OUTSIDE stake pockets.
 
Behind it is a B&O composite gon that has completed loading of the same material. Note that the B&O gon has vertical braces positioned both inside the car AND on the outside, using the outside stake pockets. I imagine this was done to provide a tight and secure non-shifting interior fit for the load.
 
Are these called billets in the steel industry? The appear to be octagonal in profile
 
Then further to the left we can see a steel gon with C.S.CO. reporting marks, I am unable to make out the number. It appears this car might be missing its coupler.
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: Santa Fe 5-5-5-2 ends

Jim Hayes
 

you could try asking Chad Boas. I've had good luck getting other S-N-T ends from him.

JimH

On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 1:41 PM John Barry <northbaylines@...> wrote:
Al,

Greg had a number of those ends cast and they were available through him.  I picked up one of if not the last one that he had at CCB this year.  Greg had also been working on masters for the slightly taller ends for the Bx-32, 33 and 36.  I am unaware of what has become of Greg's modeling projects.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Friday, September 4, 2020, 03:54:53 PM EDT, Allan Smith <smithal9@...> wrote:


In 2014 Greg Martin did a clinic on Santa Fe rebuilt boxcars, one of the detail parts was a 5-5-5-2 end. Does anyone in the group know where I can get two sets of those ends.I tried working with Tichy 5-5-5 ends by cutting them up and adding two ribs to the top, but they are a foot to tall. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks 

Al Smith


Re: Flat Black

Lee Thwaits
 

Using Star Brand paint I initially had a problem with some minor chipping over time.  Talking to Jimmy
Booth of PBL of the problem he told me that it is imperative that use their thinner with both TruColor and Star Brand paints because of a chemical compatibility with other thinners. Since using it I have had no problems (over 20 O scale cars).
Lee Thwaits


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Teens and Twenties shipments of Ford cars via box cars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

That is very cool stuff, Andy!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy Jackson
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2020 4:38 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; PqyRange <lajrmdlr@...>
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Teens and Twenties shipments of Ford cars via box cars

 

Here's what looks to me to be Studebakers "stuffed" into a Santa Fe drop bottom gondola. Think these autos only included everything from firewall back, i.e. no motor, body & chassis in front of it. Studebaker had a plant on Los Angeles Junction Ry till it closed in 1956.  A fellow LAJ modeler. Tony Debates,  made the Studebaker plant for his layout (attached).

Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA

 


Re: New Precision Scale Co

Charles Happel
 

My experience has been that there is no price difference.

Chuck Happel

'I am' is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that 'I do' is the longest sentence?

George Carlin


On Friday, September 4, 2020, 04:15:00 PM EDT, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:


I have purchased Precision Scale parts from their store on eBay, I don’t know if there is a significant price advantages or disadvantages to doing it this way, but their service is quick and accurate and you can see the part in its packaging.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Charles Morrill
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2020 1:52 PM
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Precision Scale Co

 

Their web site <precisionscaleco.com> has the contact info phone, email, as well as catalogs and price lists.  As Nelson mentions only the family members are handling the business now, but they have responded to emails fairly quickly so far.

 

Charlie

 


From: "Nelson Moyer" <npmoyer@...>
To: "main" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2020 1:39:35 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Precision Scale Co

 

Precision Scale Company

560 Ione Road

Pasco, WA 99301

 

I don’t have the phone number, but they will accept phone orders. Due to COVID-19 restrictions, they’re employees are furloughed, but since it’s now a family business, they will fill orders for parts in stock. Expect a long wait.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2020 12:43 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] New Precision Scale Co

 

 

Good Morning All:

 

I seem to have misplaced my  contact for the hobby shop in Washington that is took over the Precision Scale line.  Help please,

 

Thanks in advance:

 

Bill Pardie

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Santa Fe 5-5-5-2 ends

John Barry
 

Al,

Greg had a number of those ends cast and they were available through him.  I picked up one of if not the last one that he had at CCB this year.  Greg had also been working on masters for the slightly taller ends for the Bx-32, 33 and 36.  I am unaware of what has become of Greg's modeling projects.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Friday, September 4, 2020, 03:54:53 PM EDT, Allan Smith <smithal9@...> wrote:


In 2014 Greg Martin did a clinic on Santa Fe rebuilt boxcars, one of the detail parts was a 5-5-5-2 end. Does anyone in the group know where I can get two sets of those ends.I tried working with Tichy 5-5-5 ends by cutting them up and adding two ribs to the top, but they are a foot to tall. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks 

Al Smith


Re: Teens and Twenties shipments of Ford cars via box cars

 

Here's what looks to me to be Studebakers "stuffed" into a Santa Fe drop bottom gondola. Think these autos only included everything from firewall back, i.e. no motor, body & chassis in front of it. Studebaker had a plant on Los Angeles Junction Ry till it closed in 1956.  A fellow LAJ modeler. Tony Debates,  made the Studebaker plant for his layout (attached).
Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA



Re: New Precision Scale Co

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I have purchased Precision Scale parts from their store on eBay, I don’t know if there is a significant price advantages or disadvantages to doing it this way, but their service is quick and accurate and you can see the part in its packaging.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Charles Morrill
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2020 1:52 PM
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Precision Scale Co

 

Their web site <precisionscaleco.com> has the contact info phone, email, as well as catalogs and price lists.  As Nelson mentions only the family members are handling the business now, but they have responded to emails fairly quickly so far.

 

Charlie

 


From: "Nelson Moyer" <npmoyer@...>
To: "main" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2020 1:39:35 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Precision Scale Co

 

Precision Scale Company

560 Ione Road

Pasco, WA 99301

 

I don’t have the phone number, but they will accept phone orders. Due to COVID-19 restrictions, they’re employees are furloughed, but since it’s now a family business, they will fill orders for parts in stock. Expect a long wait.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2020 12:43 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] New Precision Scale Co

 

 

Good Morning All:

 

I seem to have misplaced my  contact for the hobby shop in Washington that is took over the Precision Scale line.  Help please,

 

Thanks in advance:

 

Bill Pardie

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 

 

 

 

 

 


Santa Fe 5-5-5-2 ends

Allan Smith
 

In 2014 Greg Martin did a clinic on Santa Fe rebuilt boxcars, one of the detail parts was a 5-5-5-2 end. Does anyone in the group know where I can get two sets of those ends.I tried working with Tichy 5-5-5 ends by cutting them up and adding two ribs to the top, but they are a foot to tall. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks 

Al Smith


Re: New Precision Scale Co - also PIA parts

Kenneth Montero
 

They also have PIA (former PFM?) parts.

Ken Montero

On 09/04/2020 2:39 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:


Precision Scale Company

560 Ione Road

Pasco, WA 99301

 

I don’t have the phone number, but they will accept phone orders. Due to COVID-19 restrictions, they’re employees are furloughed, but since it’s now a family business, they will fill orders for parts in stock. Expect a long wait.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2020 12:43 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] New Precision Scale Co



Good Morning All:


I seem to have misplaced my  contact for the hobby shop in Washington that is took over the Precision Scale line.  Help please,


Thanks in advance:


Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone



 

 




Teens and Twenties shipments of Ford cars via box cars

Charles
 

Here is a link to a lot of info and photos about the process:
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/331880/399443.html?1383834795

The autos were partially disassembled to fit more into each box car.

Charley Hepperle


Re: New Precision Scale Co

Charles Morrill
 

Their web site <precisionscaleco.com> has the contact info phone, email, as well as catalogs and price lists.  As Nelson mentions only the family members are handling the business now, but they have responded to emails fairly quickly so far.

Charlie


From: "Nelson Moyer" <npmoyer@...>
To: "main" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2020 1:39:35 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Precision Scale Co

Precision Scale Company

560 Ione Road

Pasco, WA 99301

 

I don’t have the phone number, but they will accept phone orders. Due to COVID-19 restrictions, they’re employees are furloughed, but since it’s now a family business, they will fill orders for parts in stock. Expect a long wait.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2020 12:43 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] New Precision Scale Co

 

 

Good Morning All:

 

I seem to have misplaced my  contact for the hobby shop in Washington that is took over the Precision Scale line.  Help please,

 

Thanks in advance:

 

Bill Pardie

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 

 

 

 

 



Re: New Precision Scale Co

mel perry
 

precision's phone is 5095289711

the.hobby shop is tj's model trains
same address different phone

good people
mel perry


Re: C&EI Postwar AAR 50' Boxcar – Front Range Upgrade #5

O Fenton Wells
 

Awesome Bob, love the finds you do in your "stash" Way too modern for me but what a neat car.
Fenton

On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 1:00 PM Bob Chapman <chapbob4014@...> wrote:
Every layout needs a big blue boxcar! In 1955, C&EI acquired 75 fifty-foot class XM boxcars in the series #3800-3874. The carbodies featured welded sides, a diagonal panel roof, R-3-4 late improved dreadnaught ends, and 8’ postwar Youngstown postwar doors. An additional 25 nearly identical DF cars (#3760-3784) were built at the same time. In 1956, thirty cars from the #3800-series were reconfigured to class XAP and renumbered to #3900-3929. At some point the XAP’s were painted dark blue; logic would suggest 1956 when they were repurposed, but the earliest available blue car photo shows 1964.     

Front Range kit #5000 hiding in the stash is a near-perfect carbody match, requiring only a sidesill modification from the kit’s deep fishbelly to a shallower notched configuration. Detail adds include Kadee ladders/grabs/brakewheel and a Detail Associates Apex runningboard. Decals are Microscale.  

About the color – since 1955 is very borderline to my era, I had planned to do the car in as-built freight car red, but ended up with blue since 1) correct Roman roadname decals for the as-built cars do not seem to exist, and 2) I like it! Thanks to Ed Hawkins and C&EI modeler David Forbes for their technical help.        

Regards,
Bob Chapman




--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: New Precision Scale Co

Nelson Moyer
 

Precision Scale Company

560 Ione Road

Pasco, WA 99301

 

I don’t have the phone number, but they will accept phone orders. Due to COVID-19 restrictions, they’re employees are furloughed, but since it’s now a family business, they will fill orders for parts in stock. Expect a long wait.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2020 12:43 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] New Precision Scale Co

 

 

Good Morning All:

 

I seem to have misplaced my  contact for the hobby shop in Washington that is took over the Precision Scale line.  Help please,

 

Thanks in advance:

 

Bill Pardie

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 

 

 

 

 


Photo: LCL Freight In N&W Boxcar 46447 (1937)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: LCL Freight In N&W Boxcar 46447 (1937)

A photo from the Virginia Tech University Library:

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=ns2888

This photo can be enlarged.

Perhaps more blocking and cribbing will be added? Should be added?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


New Precision Scale Co

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


Good Morning All:

I seem to have misplaced my  contact for the hobby shop in Washington that is took over the Precision Scale line.  Help please,

Thanks in advance:

Bill Pardie


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone




 


Re: C&EI Postwar AAR 50' Boxcar – Front Range Upgrade #5

 

Good looking car!

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chapman <chapbob4014@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Friday, September 4, 2020 at 11:59 AM
To: STMFC E-List <main@Realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] C&EI Postwar AAR 50' Boxcar – Front Range Upgrade #5

 

Every layout needs a big blue boxcar! In 1955, C&EI acquired 75 fifty-foot class XM boxcars in the series #3800-3874. The carbodies featured welded sides, a diagonal panel roof, R-3-4 late improved dreadnaught ends, and 8’ postwar Youngstown postwar doors. An additional 25 nearly identical DF cars (#3760-3784) were built at the same time. In 1956, thirty cars from the #3800-series were reconfigured to class XAP and renumbered to #3900-3929. At some point the XAP’s were painted dark blue; logic would suggest 1956 when they were repurposed, but the earliest available blue car photo shows 1964.     

 

Front Range kit #5000 hiding in the stash is a near-perfect carbody match, requiring only a sidesill modification from the kit’s deep fishbelly to a shallower notched configuration. Detail adds include Kadee ladders/grabs/brakewheel and a Detail Associates Apex runningboard. Decals are Microscale.  

 

About the color – since 1955 is very borderline to my era, I had planned to do the car in as-built freight car red, but ended up with blue since 1) correct Roman roadname decals for the as-built cars do not seem to exist, and 2) I like it! Thanks to Ed Hawkins and C&EI modeler David Forbes for their technical help.        

 

Regards,

Bob Chapman

 

 

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