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Re: Photo: Gondola At Lumber Yard (Circa 1920s-1930s)

Richard Townsend
 

Definitely not Colorado & Southern. 


On Sep 5, 2020, at 8:28 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



Photo: Gondola At Lumber Yard (Circa 1920s-1930s)

A photo from University of Utah Library:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6cv5566

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

I don't think this is a Colorado & Southern Railway gondola as the reporting marks are suspect.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Loading Grain In A Refrigerator Car (1918)

Bob Chaparro
 

Loading Grain In A Refrigerator Car (1918)

A photo from the Utah State Historical Society:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6t445nf

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

I was well aware that this was not an uncommon practice but this is the first photograph I've seen illustrating the point.

Notice the grain door seen through the open reefer door and notice the ventilated boxcar in the cut of cars.

The month this photo was taken was June and the year was 1918, so the factors behind this were a grain rush, a resulting boxcar shortage and, in addition, government control of the national car fleet during World War I.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Gondola At Lumber Yard (Circa 1920s-1930s)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Gondola At Lumber Yard (Circa 1920s-1930s)

A photo from University of Utah Library:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6cv5566

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

I don't think this is a Colorado & Southern Railway gondola as the reporting marks are suspect.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Mid 1920s 3/3/3 dreadnaught end

Robert kirkham
 

Yes - I’m planning on doing one of each car type Colin.  The offset door cars and the centered door cars.

Rob

On Sep 5, 2020, at 6:43 AM, Kemal Mumcu via groups.io <kemal_mumcu@...> wrote:

I think I know the car you are thinking about. Is it the "minibox autocars" built around the same time as the regular minibox?

I always thought I'd take the spare dreadnought ends from the minibox kits, cut them up and reposition them to make the correct ends.

Colin Meikle


Want to buy Rio Grande Models #3038 side dump car HO

Staffan Ehnbom
 

A Swedish railroad had  three of these. A Swefdish modeler wants to have one on his layout. If you have a model for sale, please mail to
staffan dot ehnbom at gmail dot com  

Staffan Ehnbom


Re: Kit-bash fodder - Mid 1920s 3/3/3 dreadnaught end

Paul Krueger
 

I've bought a couple batches of shells from her through Facebook. The most recent batch of 12 shells was a couple weeks ago and she charged me $8.25 for Priority Mail shipping.

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA


Re: Mid 1920s 3/3/3 dreadnaught end

Kemal Mumcu
 

I think I know the car you are thinking about. Is it the "minibox autocars" built around the same time as the regular minibox?

I always thought I'd take the spare dreadnought ends from the minibox kits, cut them up and reposition them to make the correct ends.

Colin Meikle


Re: Kit-bash fodder - Mid 1920s 3/3/3 dreadnaught end

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Rob,

If you need just one or two pieces, the $15 shipping charge makes this a rather expensive option. Order a pile of them, and maybe it's not so bad, but do any of us really need a whole stack of Roundhouse bodies in our workshops? I have more projects stockpiled than I will ever finish . . . but those combine bodies do look like they might be fun to shorten. Hmmm.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 2:52 AM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
Going by the door, I would say that this is a 10'6" IH box car body.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Friday, September 4, 2020, 11:07:18 PM PDT, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

  I’m curious whether anyone has the ability to speak to the car body height on the steel boxcar kit: 24188 ACL Coast line.  The photo doesn’t show dimensional data, so no clear info about the car interior height. Door and rivets on the side look alright.  I’m assuming it would require junking parts and finding others. Lots of work, but for the right model and $1, hmmm.

Rob 



Re: Kit-bash fodder - Mid 1920s 3/3/3 dreadnaught end

Andy Carlson
 

Going by the door, I would say that this is a 10'6" IH box car body.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Friday, September 4, 2020, 11:07:18 PM PDT, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

  I’m curious whether anyone has the ability to speak to the car body height on the steel boxcar kit: 24188 ACL Coast line.  The photo doesn’t show dimensional data, so no clear info about the car interior height. Door and rivets on the side look alright.  I’m assuming it would require junking parts and finding others. Lots of work, but for the right model and $1, hmmm.

Rob 



Re: Flat Black

Tony Thompson
 

But Star Brand sticks to resin and Tru-color sure does not, thinners in common or not. And BTW Star thinner stays in its bottle, which is certainly not the case with TruC.
Tony Thompson 


On Sep 4, 2020, at 3:10 PM, Lee Thwaits <leeoldsa@...> wrote:

Using Star Brand paint I initially had a problem with some minor chipping over time.  Talking to Jimmy
Booth of PBL of the problem he told me that it is imperative that use their thinner with both TruColor and Star Brand paints because of a chemical compatibility with other thinners. Since using it I have had no problems (over 20 O scale cars).
Lee Thwaits


Kit-bash fodder - Mid 1920s 3/3/3 dreadnaught end

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks for the suggestion Paul.  I will be going with Andy Carlson's 3/3/3 end, rather than cutting up the Roundhouse car.  With a little more research I realized I needed 2/3/3 ends, so will have to make modifications.  Part of the fun.

That said, the Galloway site is a walk down memory lane.  And one starts to imagine other kinds of kit bash possibilities (especially clerestory baggage cars).   I’m curious whether anyone has the ability to speak to the car body height on the steel boxcar kit: https://squareup.com/store/gallowayenterprises/item/acl-coast-line.  The photo doesn’t show dimensional data, so no clear info about the car interior height. Door and rivets on the side look alright.  I’m assuming it would require junking parts and finding others. Lots of work, but for the right model and $1, hmmm.

Rob 

On Sep 4, 2020, at 9:40 PM, Paul Krueger <kruegerp12@...> wrote:

You can get Roundhouse shells here for $1 each, plus shipping.

http://www.gallowayenterprise.com/

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA
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Re: Mid 1920s 3/3/3 dreadnaught end

Paul Krueger
 

You can get Roundhouse shells here for $1 each, plus shipping.

http://www.gallowayenterprise.com/

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA


SP 5730 express 40' box car 1950 color image

Andy Carlson
 

Photographed in the city of Oakland, CA in 1950. Southern Pacific passenger green Railway Express Agency 40' Southern Pacific box car with alternating centered riveting. A scan from a Kodachrome slide I purchased 3-4 years ago.

Notice the poling pocket 3/4 improved Dreadnaught end. I have dozens of these ends remaining from Intermountain.
Enjoy,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Inline image


Mid 1920s 3/3/3 dreadnaught end

Andy Carlson
 

Rob-
I have molds for the WP/MP/T&P SS double door autocar, same prototype as the MDC kit. Mine has no molded on grabs and brake gear. I could cast you a polyurethane pair if that could be helpful for you.

Contact me off-list if you are interested at <midcentury@...>.
Regards,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Friday, September 4, 2020, 7:28:45 PM PDT, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:



Looking for a part for a model part (HO scale) - an inward protruding dreadnaught end with 3/3/3 configuration.  The design is mid to late 1920s.

I’m wondering if I may need a sacrificial MDC roundhouse 50’ single sheathed car, but hoping there is something I do not need to destroy. 

If that is the best option, wondering if anyone knows where an undecorated model can be had.

Rob Kirkham 
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Mid 1920s 3/3/3 dreadnaught end

Robert kirkham
 


Looking for a part for a model part (HO scale) - an inward protruding dreadnaught end with 3/3/3 configuration.  The design is mid to late 1920s.

I’m wondering if I may need a sacrificial MDC roundhouse 50’ single sheathed car, but hoping there is something I do not need to destroy. 

If that is the best option, wondering if anyone knows where an undecorated model can be had.

Rob Kirkham 


Re: image from Homestead, PA in 1915

Dennis Storzek
 

What catches my eye is the early interlocking steel sheet piling lining the excavations in the foreground. Here is a brief history quoted from this web site:
https://jdfieldsusa.wordpress.com/2015/03/07/history-of-sheet-piling/

"A manufacturer from the United States, Gregson, was the first to patent a bulb and jaw interlock in 1899 but this system still did not serve its intended purpose because it resulted in a flat section with a tiny section modulus. This then led to the first steel sheet pile with a U section and riveted interlocks being developed by Tryggve Larssen, the state chief engineer for the city of Bremen in Germany, at the turn of the century. Larssen’s wave shaped sheet pile was a revolutionary development because it increased the strength and efficiency of steel retaining walls. However, this design still contained an interlock system that was partially fabricated after the manufacturing process. In 1914, sheet pile with rivet-less interlocking systems made their debut in Germany. Sheet pile that has been developed since Larssen’s innovation have been based of his design concept."

Dennis Storzek


image from Homestead, PA in 1915

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
I have been having an enjoyable time taking in what there is to see on this image from Homestead, PA in 1915 and linked below...
 
 
Zoom in to the image and have a look.
 
Nearest the camera, BR&P composite gon 17485, is in the process of being loaded. The load bracing is partially in place, the vertical braces positioned in the OUTSIDE stake pockets.
 
Behind it is a B&O composite gon that has completed loading of the same material. Note that the B&O gon has vertical braces positioned both inside the car AND on the outside, using the outside stake pockets. I imagine this was done to provide a tight and secure non-shifting interior fit for the load.
 
Are these called billets in the steel industry? The appear to be octagonal in profile
 
Then further to the left we can see a steel gon with C.S.CO. reporting marks, I am unable to make out the number. It appears this car might be missing its coupler.
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: Santa Fe 5-5-5-2 ends

Jim Hayes
 

you could try asking Chad Boas. I've had good luck getting other S-N-T ends from him.

JimH

On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 1:41 PM John Barry <northbaylines@...> wrote:
Al,

Greg had a number of those ends cast and they were available through him.  I picked up one of if not the last one that he had at CCB this year.  Greg had also been working on masters for the slightly taller ends for the Bx-32, 33 and 36.  I am unaware of what has become of Greg's modeling projects.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Friday, September 4, 2020, 03:54:53 PM EDT, Allan Smith <smithal9@...> wrote:


In 2014 Greg Martin did a clinic on Santa Fe rebuilt boxcars, one of the detail parts was a 5-5-5-2 end. Does anyone in the group know where I can get two sets of those ends.I tried working with Tichy 5-5-5 ends by cutting them up and adding two ribs to the top, but they are a foot to tall. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks 

Al Smith


Re: Flat Black

Lee Thwaits
 

Using Star Brand paint I initially had a problem with some minor chipping over time.  Talking to Jimmy
Booth of PBL of the problem he told me that it is imperative that use their thinner with both TruColor and Star Brand paints because of a chemical compatibility with other thinners. Since using it I have had no problems (over 20 O scale cars).
Lee Thwaits


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Teens and Twenties shipments of Ford cars via box cars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

That is very cool stuff, Andy!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy Jackson
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2020 4:38 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; PqyRange <lajrmdlr@...>
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Teens and Twenties shipments of Ford cars via box cars

 

Here's what looks to me to be Studebakers "stuffed" into a Santa Fe drop bottom gondola. Think these autos only included everything from firewall back, i.e. no motor, body & chassis in front of it. Studebaker had a plant on Los Angeles Junction Ry till it closed in 1956.  A fellow LAJ modeler. Tony Debates,  made the Studebaker plant for his layout (attached).

Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA

 

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