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Re: Photo: Loading Salt Into A Boxcar (1921)

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

The car in the photo is very interesting. It looks to me like an 1890s design, now of course downgraded to an in-plant car. Note that there is no air brake hose showing. By the 1890s most cars of this type would have had air brakes. Very likely air brakes are not used on this plant operation, and the hose has probably rotted off or was removed during repairs. 

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 3:06 PM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Dry.  You forgot dry.  Handling salt makes your skin very dry and the skin on your fingers can simply break open.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 12:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Salt Into A Boxcar (1921)

 

Photo: Loading Salt Into A Boxcar (1921)

A photo from the Utah State Historical Society:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6zp4jhz

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Looks like boring, tough work.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: HO Barber S-4 Swing Hanger Trucks

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I recall chasing this issue around many years ago.  The Rock Island diagram sheet refers to them as Barber S-4-L trucks with Timken roller bearings.  I need to find a better picture, but for now, this one will have to do

 

 

My conclusion, then was to use Bethlehem (old Cape Line) cast trucks, number 1213

 

 

Interestingly, I can’t find a reference to an S-4-L truck in the 1946 CBC, but they do show a very similar looking S-5-L truck, although it includes a plain (solid) bearing instead of a roller bearing.

 

 

The accompanying text reads as follows

 

 

Hope this helps.  Perhaps someone else can point to more information on theS-4-L truck.

 

Steve Hile

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Damron
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 10:19 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] HO Barber S-4 Swing Hanger Trucks

 

Fellow Modelers:

My name is Jacob Damron and I model the Rock Island and its passenger trains in the early 1960's. One of my next projects to expand my BX fleet is the Sunshine Models RI 20060-20069 10'6" aluminum box car (Jeff has already addressed my RI 20000-20051/20070-20084 research request). This car rode on Barber S-4 Swing Hanger trucks and I'm having a hard time locating such. 

Does anyone know if these trucks are/were offered in plastic or brass?

Thanks so much.

Jacob Damron
Ft Worth, TX


Re: Question about Central Vermont boxcar color

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

 

Ho folks,

 

    I’m hoping that Marty McGuirk of some other CV modeler can steer me in the right direction

for an appropriate model paint color for Central Vermont boxcars in the immediate postwar period,

preferably with a reference to an Accu-Paint or Tru- Color color number. If not Scale-Coat would be

my next order of preference. Am also wondering if it might be the same as a CN boxcar red color.

 

   Thanks in advance for any assistance, Don Valentine.

 


HO Barber S-4 Swing Hanger Trucks

Jacob Damron
 

Fellow Modelers:

My name is Jacob Damron and I model the Rock Island and its passenger trains in the early 1960's. One of my next projects to expand my BX fleet is the Sunshine Models RI 20060-20069 10'6" aluminum box car (Jeff has already addressed my RI 20000-20051/20070-20084 research request). This car rode on Barber S-4 Swing Hanger trucks and I'm having a hard time locating such. 

Does anyone know if these trucks are/were offered in plastic or brass?

Thanks so much.

Jacob Damron
Ft Worth, TX


Re: Dimensional Data - wrong assumptions

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Dave, Take a sharper look at the B&M’s USRA boxcars from 1940 on. I’m thinking that this may be a matter of semantics with some roads in that rather than using the EXT H or EXT W nomenclature it seems they just used EH or EW to save stenciling and paint, or am I wrong?

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: State of Maine Cars

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

The BAR r,w & b scheme seems to have been found on some wood sheathed reefers as well.

I wonder if it was not first used on some wood refers but really would like to know if anyone

has the date of when it was first used. I’m suspecting 1948 r 1949 but am far from certain of this.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

 

 


Re: Loading Grain In A Refrigerator Car (1918)

mel perry
 



On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 1:32 PM mel perry via groups.io <clipper841=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
just looking at the tracks, the rails may
be there, but the track doesn't look like
it seen any cars?, if they ever stayed on
the rails, plus the rails in the google
photo look rusty as you know what,
judging by the shine on the tail end
of the wye, the end hasn't seen much
traffic, just observing, course if anyone
has RECENT photos of the end, i would
happily stand corrected
;-)
mel perry


On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 1:20 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Mel,

Why would you say that? Go to the satellite view and you can see that the spur connects to somebody's line at a wye.


It really does look very model-genic!

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of mel perry <clipper841@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 3:12 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Loading Grain In A Refrigerator Car (1918)
 
from the looks of it, it appears to be out
of service or abandoned?
mel perry

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 1:08 PM Josh <segorailroadmodels@...> wrote:

I saw this image and thought "huh, that looks familiar."

Then I realized that I literally drove past that elevator yesterday afternoon. You can see the location on google maps here: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3670186,-112.5858464,3a,75y,144.54h,97.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sP4EH_FyLKvQSwaxC7QPrlA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

This spur is screaming with "model railroad" details. There is this little elevator, an oil dealership, and a large truck loading dock where fluorite from the Bell Hill mines northwest of Delta was transferred to gondolas to be shipped to the Geneva Steel plant in Vineyard Utah. Fluorite was used as a flux in the smelting process; it's bright purple, so imagine a train of open hoppers filled with neon lavender rocks. That's a load that will set your layout apart!

 

You can see a larger-resolution version of the image here: https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s63208r9


Re: Loading Grain In A Refrigerator Car (1918)

mel perry
 

just looking at the tracks, the rails may
be there, but the track doesn't look like
it seen any cars?, if they ever stayed on
the rails, 


On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 1:20 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Mel,

Why would you say that? Go to the satellite view and you can see that the spur connects to somebody's line at a wye.


It really does look very model-genic!

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of mel perry <clipper841@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 3:12 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Loading Grain In A Refrigerator Car (1918)
 
from the looks of it, it appears to be out
of service or abandoned?
mel perry

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 1:08 PM Josh <segorailroadmodels@...> wrote:

I saw this image and thought "huh, that looks familiar."

Then I realized that I literally drove past that elevator yesterday afternoon. You can see the location on google maps here: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3670186,-112.5858464,3a,75y,144.54h,97.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sP4EH_FyLKvQSwaxC7QPrlA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

This spur is screaming with "model railroad" details. There is this little elevator, an oil dealership, and a large truck loading dock where fluorite from the Bell Hill mines northwest of Delta was transferred to gondolas to be shipped to the Geneva Steel plant in Vineyard Utah. Fluorite was used as a flux in the smelting process; it's bright purple, so imagine a train of open hoppers filled with neon lavender rocks. That's a load that will set your layout apart!

 

You can see a larger-resolution version of the image here: https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s63208r9


Re: Loading Grain In A Refrigerator Car (1918)

Bruce Smith
 

Mel,

Why would you say that? Go to the satellite view and you can see that the spur connects to somebody's line at a wye.


It really does look very model-genic!

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of mel perry <clipper841@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 3:12 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Loading Grain In A Refrigerator Car (1918)
 
from the looks of it, it appears to be out
of service or abandoned?
mel perry

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 1:08 PM Josh <segorailroadmodels@...> wrote:

I saw this image and thought "huh, that looks familiar."

Then I realized that I literally drove past that elevator yesterday afternoon. You can see the location on google maps here: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3670186,-112.5858464,3a,75y,144.54h,97.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sP4EH_FyLKvQSwaxC7QPrlA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

This spur is screaming with "model railroad" details. There is this little elevator, an oil dealership, and a large truck loading dock where fluorite from the Bell Hill mines northwest of Delta was transferred to gondolas to be shipped to the Geneva Steel plant in Vineyard Utah. Fluorite was used as a flux in the smelting process; it's bright purple, so imagine a train of open hoppers filled with neon lavender rocks. That's a load that will set your layout apart!

 

You can see a larger-resolution version of the image here: https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s63208r9


Re: Loading Grain In A Refrigerator Car (1918)

Josh
 

The fluorite docks are long abandoned, since Geneva shut down a few decades ago. The elevator though is still active as far as I can tell.


Re: Loading Grain In A Refrigerator Car (1918)

mel perry
 

from the looks of it, it appears to be out
of service or abandoned?
mel perry

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 1:08 PM Josh <segorailroadmodels@...> wrote:

I saw this image and thought "huh, that looks familiar."

Then I realized that I literally drove past that elevator yesterday afternoon. You can see the location on google maps here: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3670186,-112.5858464,3a,75y,144.54h,97.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sP4EH_FyLKvQSwaxC7QPrlA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

This spur is screaming with "model railroad" details. There is this little elevator, an oil dealership, and a large truck loading dock where fluorite from the Bell Hill mines northwest of Delta was transferred to gondolas to be shipped to the Geneva Steel plant in Vineyard Utah. Fluorite was used as a flux in the smelting process; it's bright purple, so imagine a train of open hoppers filled with neon lavender rocks. That's a load that will set your layout apart!

 

You can see a larger-resolution version of the image here: https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s63208r9


Re: Loading Grain In A Refrigerator Car (1918)

Josh
 

I saw this image and thought "huh, that looks familiar."

Then I realized that I literally drove past that elevator yesterday afternoon. You can see the location on google maps here: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3670186,-112.5858464,3a,75y,144.54h,97.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sP4EH_FyLKvQSwaxC7QPrlA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

This spur is screaming with "model railroad" details. There is this little elevator, an oil dealership, and a large truck loading dock where fluorite from the Bell Hill mines northwest of Delta was transferred to gondolas to be shipped to the Geneva Steel plant in Vineyard Utah. Fluorite was used as a flux in the smelting process; it's bright purple, so imagine a train of open hoppers filled with neon lavender rocks. That's a load that will set your layout apart!

 

You can see a larger-resolution version of the image here: https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s63208r9


Re: Photo: Loading Salt Into A Boxcar (1921)

Josh
 

Photo was taken on the Inland Railway, which was owned by the Inland Crystal Salt Company. It was a tiny little line on the southern edge of the Great Salt Lake that interchanged with Union Pacific and the Salt Lake, Garfield & Western. Owned an 0-6-0 saddle tank switcher and a number of decrepit ancient wood boxcars and gondolas that were used only to transfer salt from the evaporation ponds to the packing plant.

Don Strack has a page for this operation here: https://utahrails.net/industries/inland-crystal-salt.php

 


Re: Photo: UP Gondola 63960 In Discharge Mode (1922)

Josh
 

Far more interesting is the car behind it - SLR19040.

This is the first and only time I have ever seen that reporting mark - the Los Angeles & Salt Lake Railroad used LASL as its normal identifier. SLR refers to the LA&SL's slogan, "The Salt Lake Route."

The car is a Pressed Steel Car Company 40-foot offset side drop bottom car, built in 1914 if I remember correctly. I have seen reference to this batch in surviving PSC records but no details were given except for the date and number of cars built. I am happy that this photo confirms that they were identical to the Utah Coal Route cars jointly owned by the LA&SL and the Utah Railway.

For the HO scale modelers, Bonsall Scale Car Shops offers kits for this car, both in its as-built version and later rebuilt versions.


Re: Photo: Loading Salt Into A Boxcar (1921)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Dry.  You forgot dry.  Handling salt makes your skin very dry and the skin on your fingers can simply break open.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 12:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Salt Into A Boxcar (1921)

 

Photo: Loading Salt Into A Boxcar (1921)

A photo from the Utah State Historical Society:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6zp4jhz

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Looks like boring, tough work.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Wabash kit bash

Paul Doggett
 

Hi Guys

I have just finished a kit bash of a 17000 series Wabash automobile car, the original kit was a Funaro and Camerlengo car with wood side doors and Murphy ends. I used Rocket Express Youngstown side doors, 3,3,3, Dreadnaught ends and automobile car end doors I did this as I have not long since built the original Wabash version see below.


The kit as intended to be built


The kit bashed version



3,3,3 Dreadnaught ends with Miner brake lever



Automobile door end


Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿


Re: SNX 1609

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I agree, and sometimes do jus that (as you know), but this car should and will have a metal running board.

 

Thanks for your thoughts, Bill

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2020 10:53 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SNX 1609

 

Personally I think the Accurail Running Boards are too thick and suggest using scale styrene strip or wood strip to make a new running board for a better scale effect.

Bill Welch


Photo: Loading Salt Into A Boxcar (1921)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Loading Salt Into A Boxcar (1921)

A photo from the Utah State Historical Society:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6zp4jhz

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Looks like boring, tough work.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Swift Tank Car

Barry Bennett
 

According to the 1955 tariff book the Swift tank car fleet is almost entirely made up of nominal 8000 gal cars, with the exceptions of #9100 which is the sole nom 10000 gals, #9500 to 9512 which are nom 4000gals and #9551 to 9560 which are nom 6000 gals. All are steam heated, as to be expected but #8015 to 8022, 8024 to 8031, 8035, 8036 and 8038 to 8046 are insulated as well.

The dome capacities tell a story of of a fleet of bits and pieces in that dome caps vary from 170 gals to 360 gals or so. There are a few small blocks of cars with the same dome cap, mainly 3's or 4's, that would hint they were built as a batch but the rest vary all over the place. Best of luck attaching a manufacturer or date of build to that lot.  

Barry Bennett

On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 15:55, Jon Miller <atsfus@...> wrote:
On 9/8/2020 7:45 AM, San Antonio & San Francisco wrote:
but the details on the cars are scant because they are absolutely filthy.

    Interesting tank holding design/s.  Ends look similar but no two seem alike.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Swift Tank Car

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 9/8/2020 7:45 AM, San Antonio & San Francisco wrote:
but the details on the cars are scant because they are absolutely filthy.

    Interesting tank holding design/s.  Ends look similar but no two seem alike.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

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