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Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)
Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954) A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh Collection: https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A31-PandS-6-M-24 Click on the photo and then scroll to enlarge it. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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What car is this on the Rio Grande?
Scott
The photo below was posted on the Rio Grande Historical Society Facebook page by Parker Wilson from his collection. I am reposting here with his permission. Does anybody know what the silver car is? It looks like there is a BX-11 or 12 raised roof behind it so it is pretty tall.
Thanks Scott McDonald 
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Re: Swift Tank Car
Barry Bennett
And lots of blood and urine. Barry Bennett
On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 12:19, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
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Re: Swift Tank Car
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
Gordon, How about fat? Animal fats are a valuable byproduct of slaughter houses. They are used in all sorts of other products from cosmetics to explosives (think glycerine). Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 9:12 PM Gordon <boomer1944@...> wrote: OK... what would Swift need a tank car for?
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Re: Loading Grain In A Refrigerator Car (1918)
Ray Hutchison
...except when they were dried out and used for grain service?
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Re: Dimensional Data - wrong assumptions
akerboomk
B&M XM-1 builders photos (and lots of other data) available here: https://www.bmrrhs.org/box_71000_series/
-- Ken Akerboom
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Re: Wabash kit bash
Paul Doggett
Tony
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Thank you. Paul Doggett
On 9 Sep 2020, at 05:00, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
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Re: Dimensional Data - wrong assumptions
Dave Parker
Don:
I am not sure what the B&M was up when I look past my mid-1930s era of interest. As I said, with box-cars up through the XM-1s (but not beyond; I haven't looked), I have never seen all four measurements (EXW and EXH and EW and EH) stenciled on a car, regardless of date. Looking just at the XM-1s, the ORERs through 1935 only give EW and EH (8-11 and 12-5). Starting with my 1937 copy, however, they all give both EW and EXW as 9-6, and both EH and EXH as 12-1. And yet the photos, even of 72662 in 1954, show only the original 8-11 and 12-5 values. Huh? Taken at face value, the 9-6 and 12-1 values are almost certainly EXW and EXH (probably representing the upper door tracks), but otherwise I cannot begin to explain what the heck the B&M was doing, or why. Bottom line from a modeling standpoint: apply lettering that matches contemporaneous photos, and don't overthink the problem. -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA
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Re: Wabash kit bash
Tony Thompson
I have just finished a kit bash of a 17000 series Wabash automobile car, the original kit was a Funaro and Camerlengo car with wood side doors and Murphy ends. I used Rocket Express Youngstown side doors, 3,3,3, Dreadnaught ends and automobile car end doors I did this as I have not long since built the original Wabash version see below.I love the steel doors and ends. Excellent work, Paul. Tony Thompson tony@...
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Re: Salt weathering
Tony Thompson
Jim Betz wrote: 1) When did the use of galvanized on roofs become ubiquitous? I 2) How common/uncommon would it be to see a galvanized roof In 1910 and thereafter? Universal. Tony Thompson
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Re: Photo: PRR Depressed Center Flatcar 470011 (1949)
Brian Termunde
Ugh! Why do words just up and disappear! <G>
Somehow when I wrote "There's a small hill on the viewers right, the area around the plant, for as long as I can remember." either my computer or the internet (yeah, Right! <G>) deleted the words " . . . the area around the plant was flat as a pancake."
Sorry about this glitch, which obviously wasn't my fault (oh yes, of course it wasn't! <G>)!
Take Care,
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah
Re: Photo: PRR Depressed Center Flatcar 470011 (1949)
From: Brian Termunde Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 15:34:43 PDT Bob,
Thanks for sharing this. I especially appreciate knowing some of the background as my uncle worked there for quite some time and it's been a part of Salt Lake for many years. My uncle and his family lived not too far south of the plant (walking distance, although I rather doubt that Uncle Vern would have walked! <G>).
I do want to stress that I am NOT trying to shoot the messenger as the information provided is what's on that very interesting website, however I don't think that it was taken at the actual Gadsby Plant. In the photo;
There's a small hill on the viewers right, the area around the plant, for as long as I can remember. Here's a link to a Google map showing the area;
That being said, I am sorry but I cannot offer any suggestion as the the actual location.
Take Care,
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah
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Re: Photo: Loading Salt Into A Boxcar (1921)
Brian Termunde
Bob,
Thanks once again for a wonderful photo!
A number of years ago, (way past the time frame this wonderful and educational group focuses on - so I am sorry!) I was aboard a passenger train (again off topic . . . sorry!) heading east across the Nevada desert. A little girl, in her unintentionally loud voice said, "Grandma, is THAT snow?" her grandmother told her no, it was alkali. Not that the kid knew what that was.
The next morning we were finally nearing Salt Lake and were passing the salt plants west of here when that little one asked her grandmother, "Grandma, is THAT snow?" She sighed, and told the girl no, that it was SALT. There was a pause, and then the child snorted, "Yeah, RIGHT!" the rest of us burst out laughing! How could she being so young understand that it was indeed salt.
Sorry, but this post brought back this delightful memory.
Take Care,
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah
Photo: Loading Salt Into A Boxcar (1921)
From: Bob Chaparro Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 09:37:36 PDT Photo: Loading Salt Into A Boxcar (1921)
A photo from the Utah State Historical Society:
This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.
Looks like boring, tough work.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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Re: Photo: UP Gondola 63960 In Discharge Mode (1922)
Brian Termunde
Josh;
Thanks for pointing this out in another great find by Bob.
Being that my folks were born and raised in Salt Lake, whereas my elder brother and I were born and raised in LA, I have a natural affinity for the LA&SL!
I recently found in a local hobby shop a LA&SL custom decorated (N Scale) box car and immediately purchased it. While unlikely that that a 36 foot truss rod box car would've been still around in my 1953 era, I just had to have it!
Take Care,
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah
Re: Photo: UP Gondola 63960 In Discharge Mode (1922)
From: Josh Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 12:48:55 PDT Far more interesting is the car behind it - SLR19040.
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Re: HO Barber S-4 Swing Hanger Trucks
The pictures can be seen in the Photos section of the IO site in the Emailed photos file.
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Damron
Steve:
Thank you for the information. I looked over those trucks and agree that they appear to be the best option. I found a seller and ebay and they're headed my way.
For some reason the pictures didn't come through to my email and I can't find your reply on the IO page.
Jacob
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Re: Swift Tank Car
OK... what would Swift need a tank car for?
Gordon Spalty
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Re: HO Barber S-4 Swing Hanger Trucks
mopacfirst
One of the photos I posted on the Rock Island group, the 20041, appears to have this type of truck. Other cars had a type of roller-bearing 50 ton truck with a flat top to the sideframe, but appears different than this Barber truck. Others in the series had a Commonwealth BX truck. I haven't tried to see if these trucks correlated with specific groups of cars. But when I saw them, they were bumped to general freight service, probably grain and flour mostly.
Ron Merrick
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Re: HO Barber S-4 Swing Hanger Trucks
Perhaps someone on Shapeways can be persuaded. The sideframes would need to be designed for use with nylon bearing inserts to prevent the axle from wallowing out.
Thanks!
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jacob Damron <jacob.damron@...>
Steve:
Thank you for the information. I looked over those trucks and agree that they appear to be the best option. I found a seller and ebay and they're headed my way.
For some reason the pictures didn't come through to my email and I can't find your reply on the IO page.
Jacob
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Re: HO Barber S-4 Swing Hanger Trucks
Jacob Damron
Steve: Thank you for the information. I looked over those trucks and agree that they appear to be the best option. I found a seller and ebay and they're headed my way. For some reason the pictures didn't come through to my email and I can't find your reply on the IO page. Jacob
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Re: Photo: Loading Salt Into A Boxcar (1921)
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
Friends, The car in the photo is very interesting. It looks to me like an 1890s design, now of course downgraded to an in-plant car. Note that there is no air brake hose showing. By the 1890s most cars of this type would have had air brakes. Very likely air brakes are not used on this plant operation, and the hose has probably rotted off or was removed during repairs. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 3:06 PM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: HO Barber S-4 Swing Hanger Trucks
I recall chasing this issue around many years ago. The Rock Island diagram sheet refers to them as Barber S-4-L trucks with Timken roller bearings. I need to find a better picture, but for now, this one will have to do
My conclusion, then was to use Bethlehem (old Cape Line) cast trucks, number 1213
Interestingly, I can’t find a reference to an S-4-L truck in the 1946 CBC, but they do show a very similar looking S-5-L truck, although it includes a plain (solid) bearing instead of a roller bearing.
The accompanying text reads as follows
Hope this helps. Perhaps someone else can point to more information on theS-4-L truck.
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Damron
Fellow Modelers:
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