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SAL single sheathed series 13001-13500 and 13501-13965

Eric Lombard
 

Good afternoon, Folks...

I have been unable to determine if any cars in the 13000s were rebuilt to steel sheathing. Does anyone know about this possibility? If so is there a photo to share? Many of the nearly identical cars in 12000-12999 (1926), 15000-15999 (1930) and 16000-16999 (1930) were rebuilt to steel sheathing: First in 1941 (12000s without renumbering); then 1952-1955 (15000s, 16000s renumbered to 14000s, 20000s). Some were rebuilt with the steel plating inside the posts and braces, some with plating outside the braces. With this in mind it makes sense that the 13000s would also participate since they were essentially identical to 12000s, 15000s, 16000s when built.

Much appreciation if someone(s) might be able to enlighten me with an image and/or words.

Thank you in advance,
Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL


Re: Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

vapeurchapelon
 

Also to you many thanks, James!
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 09. September 2020 um 22:05 Uhr
Von: "James SANDIFER" <steve.sandifer@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
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Company service might be a better description. I have a number of ATSF records of them being used to provide sand to branch line stock pens for bedding purposes. I have a video of one being unloaded on an embankment to help prevent erosion.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

 

Hello Gary and all,

 

since several years I have an eye on these nice W&R models - but something lets me think that the prototypes were used exclusively or almost exclusively in MOW service - so they usually could not be seen in regular freight service. Am I wrong with this?

 

Many thanks and regards

 

Johannes

Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

 

Gesendet: Mittwoch, 09. September 2020 um 20:43 Uhr
Von: "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

From the W&R flyer for these cars back in 92, they were built by the Clark Car Co. in the 1920s and 1930s;

 

SP 3360-3373

PRR 999000-999079 or 489900-489915

NYC X6500-6535

NP 89000-89059

DL&W 95708 plus others

B&O X330-324

WM 1410-1421

UP 91500-91544  and

SP&S X50-51

 

Very finely detailed cars with additional air tanks to provide detail options.   The trucks a require replacement wheels and axles.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 9:34 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

 

Bob,

 

I found a similar car on the RF&P around 1988. It would seem that the entire gondola part of the car can be tipped using train air. Even says "AIR DUMP" to the left of the coupler. Other than that, I know nothing about who built these or how common they were. Nice to know they were around in our era of interest.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:28 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh Collection:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A31-PandS-6-M-24

Click on the photo and then scroll to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 

 


Re: Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

Steve SANDIFER
 

Company service might be a better description. I have a number of ATSF records of them being used to provide sand to branch line stock pens for bedding purposes. I have a video of one being unloaded on an embankment to help prevent erosion.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

 

Hello Gary and all,

 

since several years I have an eye on these nice W&R models - but something lets me think that the prototypes were used exclusively or almost exclusively in MOW service - so they usually could not be seen in regular freight service. Am I wrong with this?

 

Many thanks and regards

 

Johannes

Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

 

Gesendet: Mittwoch, 09. September 2020 um 20:43 Uhr
Von: "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

From the W&R flyer for these cars back in 92, they were built by the Clark Car Co. in the 1920s and 1930s;

 

SP 3360-3373

PRR 999000-999079 or 489900-489915

NYC X6500-6535

NP 89000-89059

DL&W 95708 plus others

B&O X330-324

WM 1410-1421

UP 91500-91544  and

SP&S X50-51

 

Very finely detailed cars with additional air tanks to provide detail options.   The trucks a require replacement wheels and axles.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 9:34 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

 

Bob,

 

I found a similar car on the RF&P around 1988. It would seem that the entire gondola part of the car can be tipped using train air. Even says "AIR DUMP" to the left of the coupler. Other than that, I know nothing about who built these or how common they were. Nice to know they were around in our era of interest.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:28 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh Collection:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A31-PandS-6-M-24

Click on the photo and then scroll to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Loading Grain In A Refrigerator Car (1918) now fluorspar

Josh
 

How purple are we talking? I visited the Bell Hill fluorite mines in Utah two years ago, which you can see in this picture : https://www.flickr.com/photos/drgw223/42474153820/
And one of the underground shafts with the veins running through the walls: https://www.flickr.com/photos/drgw223/44233769692/in/photostream/
Where the veins of mineral reach the surface, the ground was fluorescent. It's a surreal experience in person. So I echo the sentiment, I dare you to model it!


Re: Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

Steve SANDIFER
 

These are Clark Car Co. 30 yard air dump cars. Santa Fe had 100 and used them for rip-rap as well as stockyard sand. W&R made HO models for them. I am seeking one or two for my ATSF layout.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 11:34 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

 

Bob,

 

I found a similar car on the RF&P around 1988. It would seem that the entire gondola part of the car can be tipped using train air. Even says "AIR DUMP" to the left of the coupler. Other than that, I know nothing about who built these or how common they were. Nice to know they were around in our era of interest.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:28 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh Collection:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A31-PandS-6-M-24

Click on the photo and then scroll to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: What car is this on the Rio Grande?

Josh
 

I know Parker and saw his scan of the slide. That is a silver painted car, I'm not sure how any of you are seeing red. It's a single door, not double. The D&RGW painted a few dozen (if I remember correctly) Pressed Steel Car Company 40-foot boxcars silver with black lettering for service at the Denver Keebler bakery, which became known as the "Cookie Box" scheme. It may be one of those. There are a few dozen of these cars scattered across the landscape in the San Luis Valley still. A google image search will yield many good photos.


Re: Question about Central Vermont boxcar color

Marty McGuirk
 

Don,

While the CV never used anything as formal as drift cards etc… in general I think by the post war era the color was of freshly painted cars was pretty close to the standard CN Red #11 color. I recall an Alan Irwin photo of a freshly painted 41000 series car that I included with Ed Beaudette’s article in the March (?) 2000 Model Railroader that shows the red color. Of course, that car has the pregnant tapeworm on the door, dating it to post 1962 or so. 

In general, the further back in time you go, the browner the color seemed to have gotten - but that’s not based on anything other than comparing CV cars with other cars painted “known” colors in b&w photos. I used to paint these cars straight Floquil Boxcar Red - but find the color has a bluish-purple cast that just doesn’t look right to my eye. 

A couple of decades ago Stafford Swain and some other CN modelers prepared a “chip of many colors” - essentially drift cards for model railroaders - that they sent to the various paint manufacturers. So, if you’re going for a just out the shop look then Tru Color (TCP 196), Scalecoat, and even Modelflex (16-163) (Badger) all make versions of CN Red #11 - all of which were matched to Stafford’s research. Basically a brownish oxide red, as opposed to an orange oxide red like PRR Freight Car Color of the immediate post war years. 

For an in-service weathered car the skies the limit of course - they tended to weather darker rather than lighter - like the car in this blog post - but to model this kind of look I’d start with the “original” color and weather it down. 

You can just see a patch of what looks to be something close to CN red #11 by the XA reweigh date. Of course, that patch dates to well after the steam era, but at least we know it was applied in “XA” - which is St. Albans, Vt. 

Tru Color offers a color called “Brick Red” or some such - I think it’s a little too brown for most brick buildings, but it may be just “reddish brown” enough to work as a basis for a weathered car. I haven’t tried it yet - and will admit I don’t have the paint on hand - but I do plan to order some and see. 


Hope this helps, 

Marty










On Sep 8, 2020, at 9:29 AM, Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

 
Ho folks,
 
    I’m hoping that Marty McGuirk of some other CV modeler can steer me in the right direction
for an appropriate model paint color for Central Vermont boxcars in the immediate postwar period,
preferably with a reference to an Accu-Paint or Tru- Color color number. If not Scale-Coat would be
my next order of preference. Am also wondering if it might be the same as a CN boxcar red color.
 
   Thanks in advance for any assistance, Don Valentine.
 


Re: Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

vapeurchapelon
 

Many thanks, Ted! Seems that I have to have such a car one day...
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 09. September 2020 um 21:00 Uhr
Von: "Ted Schnepf" <railsunl@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)
Hello Johannes,

Air dumps would move in regular freight trains to a terminal near where they would be unloaded by or work or local way freight. The cars would haul rip rap, ballast, and sometimes ties or other timbers for MOW use.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353
 

On Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 01:48:59 PM CDT, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:
 
 
Hello Gary and all,
 
since several years I have an eye on these nice W&R models - but something lets me think that the prototypes were used exclusively or almost exclusively in MOW service - so they usually could not be seen in regular freight service. Am I wrong with this?
 
Many thanks and regards
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 09. September 2020 um 20:43 Uhr
Von: "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

From the W&R flyer for these cars back in 92, they were built by the Clark Car Co. in the 1920s and 1930s;

 

SP 3360-3373

PRR 999000-999079 or 489900-489915

NYC X6500-6535

NP 89000-89059

DL&W 95708 plus others

B&O X330-324

WM 1410-1421

UP 91500-91544  and

SP&S X50-51

 

Very finely detailed cars with additional air tanks to provide detail options.   The trucks a require replacement wheels and axles.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 9:34 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

 

Bob,

 

I found a similar car on the RF&P around 1988. It would seem that the entire gondola part of the car can be tipped using train air. Even says "AIR DUMP" to the left of the coupler. Other than that, I know nothing about who built these or how common they were. Nice to know they were around in our era of interest.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:28 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh Collection:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A31-PandS-6-M-24

Click on the photo and then scroll to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 

 


Re: Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 11:44 AM, gary laakso wrote:
From the W&R flyer for these cars back in 92, they were built by the Clark Car Co. in the 1920s and 1930s;
Another long time builder of side dump cars was the Differential Dump Car Co., which persisted into recent times as DIFCO.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: B&O Boxcar 175574 (1940)

vincent altiere
 

Thanks Ben

Vince Altiere


-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2020 11:36 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: B&O Boxcar 175574 (1940)

Vince Altiere asked:
"Looking at that photo, it appears that the car farthest from the camera has a door that opens to the left. Do you know what B&O class of boxcars that might belong to? I wasn't aware the B&O had that type of car."
https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.4054768.CP

Class M-15H or M-15J, obsolescent double-sheathed automobile boxcars converted to general service boxcars by removing the right-opening door and sheathing over the opening, creating cars with left-opening doors.  Kits available in HO scale from Westerfield.
https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/product_info.php?cPath=99_373&products_id=317

As railroads adopted Evans automobile loaders, lower-height automobile boxcars were repurposed as general service boxcars, first through the expedient of securing auxiliary doors, then by minor rebuilding by removing auxiliary doors and sheathing over the opening.  PRR Class X28/X28A is an example of early steel automobile boxcars that underwent this conversion, and other examples include N&W Class BP/BPA and CNJ.


Ben Hom





Re: Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello Johannes,

Air dumps would move in regular freight trains to a terminal near where they would be unloaded by or work or local way freight. The cars would haul rip rap, ballast, and sometimes ties or other timbers for MOW use.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353

On Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 01:48:59 PM CDT, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:


Hello Gary and all,
 
since several years I have an eye on these nice W&R models - but something lets me think that the prototypes were used exclusively or almost exclusively in MOW service - so they usually could not be seen in regular freight service. Am I wrong with this?
 
Many thanks and regards
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 09. September 2020 um 20:43 Uhr
Von: "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

From the W&R flyer for these cars back in 92, they were built by the Clark Car Co. in the 1920s and 1930s;

 

SP 3360-3373

PRR 999000-999079 or 489900-489915

NYC X6500-6535

NP 89000-89059

DL&W 95708 plus others

B&O X330-324

WM 1410-1421

UP 91500-91544  and

SP&S X50-51

 

Very finely detailed cars with additional air tanks to provide detail options.   The trucks a require replacement wheels and axles.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 9:34 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

 

Bob,

 

I found a similar car on the RF&P around 1988. It would seem that the entire gondola part of the car can be tipped using train air. Even says "AIR DUMP" to the left of the coupler. Other than that, I know nothing about who built these or how common they were. Nice to know they were around in our era of interest.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:28 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh Collection:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A31-PandS-6-M-24

Click on the photo and then scroll to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


Re: Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Gary and all,
 
since several years I have an eye on these nice W&R models - but something lets me think that the prototypes were used exclusively or almost exclusively in MOW service - so they usually could not be seen in regular freight service. Am I wrong with this?
 
Many thanks and regards
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 09. September 2020 um 20:43 Uhr
Von: "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

From the W&R flyer for these cars back in 92, they were built by the Clark Car Co. in the 1920s and 1930s;

 

SP 3360-3373

PRR 999000-999079 or 489900-489915

NYC X6500-6535

NP 89000-89059

DL&W 95708 plus others

B&O X330-324

WM 1410-1421

UP 91500-91544  and

SP&S X50-51

 

Very finely detailed cars with additional air tanks to provide detail options.   The trucks a require replacement wheels and axles.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 9:34 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

 

Bob,

 

I found a similar car on the RF&P around 1988. It would seem that the entire gondola part of the car can be tipped using train air. Even says "AIR DUMP" to the left of the coupler. Other than that, I know nothing about who built these or how common they were. Nice to know they were around in our era of interest.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:28 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh Collection:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A31-PandS-6-M-24

Click on the photo and then scroll to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


Re: Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

gary laakso
 

From the W&R flyer for these cars back in 92, they were built by the Clark Car Co. in the 1920s and 1930s;

 

SP 3360-3373

PRR 999000-999079 or 489900-489915

NYC X6500-6535

NP 89000-89059

DL&W 95708 plus others

B&O X330-324

WM 1410-1421

UP 91500-91544  and

SP&S X50-51

 

Very finely detailed cars with additional air tanks to provide detail options.   The trucks a require replacement wheels and axles.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 9:34 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

 

Bob,

 

I found a similar car on the RF&P around 1988. It would seem that the entire gondola part of the car can be tipped using train air. Even says "AIR DUMP" to the left of the coupler. Other than that, I know nothing about who built these or how common they were. Nice to know they were around in our era of interest.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:28 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh Collection:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A31-PandS-6-M-24

Click on the photo and then scroll to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Loading Grain In A Refrigerator Car (1918)

Tony Thompson
 

Ray Hutchison wrote:

...except when they were dried out and used for grain service?

THe PFE car supervisor I interviewed said they were never dry again after their first load. I don't know whether grain would be terribly sensitive to that. Another point is that produce reefers by 1940 all had floor racks. Not much fun to get the grain out from under those, though they were hinged and could be raised up.

Tony Thompson




Re: Dimensional Data - wrong assumptions

Tony Thompson
 

Dave Parker wrote:

Bottom line from a modeling standpoint:  apply lettering that matches contemporaneous photos, and don't overthink the problem.

    Ah, so true for so many modeling issues. Something I struggle with myself.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: B&O Boxcar 175574 (1940)

Donald B. Valentine
 

Not only does the door open to the left but except for that and what appears to be a wood sheathed end the car looks to be an earlier version of the first car.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

 

 


Re: What car is this on the Rio Grande?

Brian Carlson
 

Until we get a higher resolution image I fear this is going to turn into a yanny vs laurel thread. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Sep 9, 2020, at 12:12 PM, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

While I concede that the silver-painted 10'-6" car is a possibility, I'm pretty sure I see a double door, so I'd go with dark-colored car with lots of white or light gray material on it.

Ron Merrick


Re: Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Bob,

I found a similar car on the RF&P around 1988. It would seem that the entire gondola part of the car can be tipped using train air. Even says "AIR DUMP" to the left of the coupler. Other than that, I know nothing about who built these or how common they were. Nice to know they were around in our era of interest.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:28 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh Collection:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A31-PandS-6-M-24

Click on the photo and then scroll to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: What car is this on the Rio Grande?

mopacfirst
 

While I concede that the silver-painted 10'-6" car is a possibility, I'm pretty sure I see a double door, so I'd go with dark-colored car with lots of white or light gray material on it.

Ron Merrick


Re: Photo: B&O Boxcar 175574 (1940)

Eric Hansmann
 

The B&O literally had thousands of boxcars with left-opening doors.

 

Both of the double-sheathed cars in the Pittsburgh image are from the M-15 class, but there were a number of sub-classes with individual hardware characteristics. I do not know how many M-15 cars had the left-opening doors, but it was a common feature. For several years in the 1920s, the M-15 class was the most numerous boxcar on the B&O. The heavy underframe became the basis for rebuilding many into the  M-15k subclass; the familiar wagon-top boxcars.

 

There were also thousands of M-8 class 36-ft double-sheathed boxcars with left-opening doors. Many of the M-8 cars started moving off regular service as the steel-sheathed M-26 cars came into the fleet in the mid-1920s. The majority were scrapped but many moved to maintenance service. There were 9988 M-8 and subclass cars on the 1926 B&O ORER listings. These were gone by the 1943 ORER.

 

The M-13 and M-14 classes were also 36-ft double-sheathed boxcars with left-opening doors. These cars had a distinctive fishbelly side sill. The M-14 class were originally ventilated cars but rebuilt into M-14a boxcars in the 1920s. 4366 of these cars were listed in the 1926 ORER. By the 1943 listings, these had dwindled to 62 cars.

 

The M-12 class were similar to the M-13 cars and installed during PRR control in 1902. These were a variation on the Pennsy XL boxcar design. Of the 1239 cars listed in the 1926 ORER, only nine cars were in the 1943 ORER.

 

Look how interesting the earlier freight car fleet can be!!

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of vincent altiere via groups.io
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: B&O Boxcar 175574 (1940)

 

Bob-

 

Looking at that photo, it appears that the car farthest from the camera has a door that opens to the left. Do you know what B&O class of boxcars that might belong to ?? I wasn't aware the B&O had that type of car.

 

Vince Altiere

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From: Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...>
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: B&O Boxcar 175574 (1940)

Photo: B&O Boxcar 175574 (1940)

A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh Collection:

Click on the photo and then scroll to enlarge it.

Two additional B&O boxcars in the photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA