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Re: roof contruction details

radiodial868
 

And the ice hatch supports. Never see those modeled. In addition to those rounded door corners, you can actually see the door itself. Most models are just the hardware mounted on the siding surface.  Is this a WFE reefer, or?
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Loading Grain In A Refrigerator Car (1918) now fluorspar

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

That’s great, Richard!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

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I have a gondola loaded with purple glass “frit “ to represent a fluorospar loaf.



On Sep 9, 2020, at 1:00 PM, Josh <segorailroadmodels@...> wrote:

How purple are we talking? I visited the Bell Hill fluorite mines in Utah two years ago, which you can see in this picture : Blockedhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/drgw223/42474153820/
And one of the underground shafts with the veins running through the walls: Blockedhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/drgw223/44233769692/in/photostream/
Where the veins of mineral reach the surface, the ground was fluorescent. It's a surreal experience in person. So I echo the sentiment, I dare you to model it!


Re: Swift Tank Car

Bruce Smith
 

Al,

The photo is circa 1910. These are early "tank on flatcar" types of tank cars with end braces instead of center anchors. Likely most, if not all, were out of service in a just a few more years.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Swift Tank Car
 
Hmm, full side sills.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Swift Tank Car

al_brown03
 

Hmm, full side sills.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Swift Tank Car

David North
 

Thanks to everyone who replied to my email re Swift tank cars.
cheers
Dave


Re: What car is this on the Rio Grande?

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Josh and Friends,

D&RGW had 76 such insulated boxcars, 60000-60076. They were drawn from several blocks of Pressed Steel 12-panel 10' 4" IH boxcars which the Rio Grande began buying in the late 1930s. According to Jim Eager's RIO GRANDE COLOR GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT, 60000-60036 were rebuilt in 1954-55, 60037-60046 were added in 1959, while 60047-60076 followed in 1961. Cars 60037, 60047, 60052 and 60064 were drawn from the 1946 series of boxcars and had Improved Dreadnaught ends. Based on the steam locomotive in the photo, if this is indeed a "Cookie Box", it had to be from 60000-60036.

Contrary to what Silver Streak would have had us believe, there apparently were no double-sheathed cars with this paint scheme, and none had white sides like their offering. They were all a silver-gray. 

These cars were loaded at the Keebler bakery in Denver, and Jim Eager says they were routed to distribution centers throughout the west (Keebler was not yet a national brand). Indeed, one of the two photos in his book shows a car in Albuquerque. Some commentators have claimed the "Cookie Boxes" only were used between Denver and Salt Lake City, but from Jim's book and the photo in question this is not so. They went all over Keebler's market area, including off the D&RGW.

At least one of these cars was in D&RGW MW service until well past the UP take-over. Attached is one I shot from the window of the California Zephyr in the 1990s at Glenwood Springs. On some of my trips I saw this car at Bond. I was watching for it (camera ready) every year I went to California to see my parents.

Jim mentions that they were heavily insulated in the roof, and that may be the remnants of the insulation compartment showing above the door opening in my shot. Their wall insulation was behind plywood lining, a wooden door was behind the original steel door, and some cars had load restrainers. You can also see the small access hatch to the insulation compartment just below the running board on the end of the car (they had one at each end).

Jim also mentions a similar experimental car for potatoes, 60080. Apparently it was a failure, as there was only one. Sorry, but there is no photo in his book. 

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 3:52 PM Josh <segorailroadmodels@...> wrote:
I know Parker and saw his scan of the slide. That is a silver painted car, I'm not sure how any of you are seeing red. It's a single door, not double. The D&RGW painted a few dozen (if I remember correctly) Pressed Steel Car Company 40-foot boxcars silver with black lettering for service at the Denver Keebler bakery, which became known as the "Cookie Box" scheme. It may be one of those. There are a few dozen of these cars scattered across the landscape in the San Luis Valley still. A google image search will yield many good photos.


Re: roof contruction details

Steve and Barb Hile
 

A very subtle amount of paint failure on this roof.

 

Steve Hile

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] roof contruction details

 

Hi List Members,

 

This image linked below allows one to zoom in on the roof contruction details in a very clear way...

 

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: roof contruction details

Douglas Harding
 

What caught my eye was the rounded corners on the reefer doors.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] roof contruction details

On Sep 9, 2020, at 14:43, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
<claus@hellgatemodels.com> wrote:

Hi List Members,

This image linked below allows one to zoom in on the roof contruction
details in a very clear way...

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.3949832.CP
In almost all of these very busy vintage photos there's some eminently
modelable detail that has very little to do with the obvious subject. In
this case it's the air compressor on the street to the right of the
restaurant, and it looks like the kid brother of one we had in the family
rental business. Swap out the engine for a six cylinder Ingersoll-Rand
multifuel, make the compressor a compound with two low pressure cylinders in
a 90 degree vee and a single high pressure cylinder between the other two,
and put it on 6/70X15 wheels and inflatable tires - Bob's yer uncle. Browse
all over and find other tidbits.


Re: Photo: B&O Boxcar 175574 (1940)

vincent altiere <steel77086@...>
 

Thanks Eric.

Vince Altiere


-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Hansmann <eric@...>
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Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2020 11:53 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: B&O Boxcar 175574 (1940)

The B&O literally had thousands of boxcars with left-opening doors.
 
Both of the double-sheathed cars in the Pittsburgh image are from the M-15 class, but there were a number of sub-classes with individual hardware characteristics. I do not know how many M-15 cars had the left-opening doors, but it was a common feature. For several years in the 1920s, the M-15 class was the most numerous boxcar on the B&O. The heavy underframe became the basis for rebuilding many into the  M-15k subclass; the familiar wagon-top boxcars.
 
There were also thousands of M-8 class 36-ft double-sheathed boxcars with left-opening doors. Many of the M-8 cars started moving off regular service as the steel-sheathed M-26 cars came into the fleet in the mid-1920s. The majority were scrapped but many moved to maintenance service. There were 9988 M-8 and subclass cars on the 1926 B&O ORER listings. These were gone by the 1943 ORER.
 
The M-13 and M-14 classes were also 36-ft double-sheathed boxcars with left-opening doors. These cars had a distinctive fishbelly side sill. The M-14 class were originally ventilated cars but rebuilt into M-14a boxcars in the 1920s. 4366 of these cars were listed in the 1926 ORER. By the 1943 listings, these had dwindled to 62 cars.
 
The M-12 class were similar to the M-13 cars and installed during PRR control in 1902. These were a variation on the Pennsy XL boxcar design. Of the 1239 cars listed in the 1926 ORER, only nine cars were in the 1943 ORER.
 
Look how interesting the earlier freight car fleet can be!!
 
 
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
 
 
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: B&O Boxcar 175574 (1940)
 
Bob-
 
Looking at that photo, it appears that the car farthest from the camera has a door that opens to the left. Do you know what B&O class of boxcars that might belong to ?? I wasn't aware the B&O had that type of car.
 
Vince Altiere

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Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2020 10:29 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: B&O Boxcar 175574 (1940)
Photo: B&O Boxcar 175574 (1940)
A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh Collection:
Click on the photo and then scroll to enlarge it.
Two additional B&O boxcars in the photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: roof contruction details

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Sep 9, 2020, at 14:43, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@hellgatemodels.com> wrote:

Hi List Members,

This image linked below allows one to zoom in on the roof contruction details in a very clear way...

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.3949832.CP
In almost all of these very busy vintage photos there's some eminently modelable detail that has very little to do with the obvious subject. In this case it's the air compressor on the street to the right of the restaurant, and it looks like the kid brother of one we had in the family rental business. Swap out the engine for a six cylinder Ingersoll-Rand multifuel, make the compressor a compound with two low pressure cylinders in a 90 degree vee and a single high pressure cylinder between the other two, and put it on 6/70X15 wheels and inflatable tires - Bob's yer uncle. Browse all over and find other tidbits.


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Loading Grain In A Refrigerator Car (1918) now fluorspar

Richard Townsend
 

I have a gondola loaded with purple glass “frit “ to represent a fluorospar loaf.


On Sep 9, 2020, at 1:00 PM, Josh <segorailroadmodels@...> wrote:



How purple are we talking? I visited the Bell Hill fluorite mines in Utah two years ago, which you can see in this picture : https://www.flickr.com/photos/drgw223/42474153820/
And one of the underground shafts with the veins running through the walls: https://www.flickr.com/photos/drgw223/44233769692/in/photostream/
Where the veins of mineral reach the surface, the ground was fluorescent. It's a surreal experience in person. So I echo the sentiment, I dare you to model it!


roof contruction details

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
This image linked below allows one to zoom in on the roof contruction details in a very clear way...
 
 
Claus Schlund
 


SAL single sheathed series 13001-13500 and 13501-13965

Eric Lombard
 

Good afternoon, Folks...

I have been unable to determine if any cars in the 13000s were rebuilt to steel sheathing. Does anyone know about this possibility? If so is there a photo to share? Many of the nearly identical cars in 12000-12999 (1926), 15000-15999 (1930) and 16000-16999 (1930) were rebuilt to steel sheathing: First in 1941 (12000s without renumbering); then 1952-1955 (15000s, 16000s renumbered to 14000s, 20000s). Some were rebuilt with the steel plating inside the posts and braces, some with plating outside the braces. With this in mind it makes sense that the 13000s would also participate since they were essentially identical to 12000s, 15000s, 16000s when built.

Much appreciation if someone(s) might be able to enlighten me with an image and/or words.

Thank you in advance,
Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL


Re: Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

vapeurchapelon
 

Also to you many thanks, James!
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
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Company service might be a better description. I have a number of ATSF records of them being used to provide sand to branch line stock pens for bedding purposes. I have a video of one being unloaded on an embankment to help prevent erosion.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

 

Hello Gary and all,

 

since several years I have an eye on these nice W&R models - but something lets me think that the prototypes were used exclusively or almost exclusively in MOW service - so they usually could not be seen in regular freight service. Am I wrong with this?

 

Many thanks and regards

 

Johannes

Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

 

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From the W&R flyer for these cars back in 92, they were built by the Clark Car Co. in the 1920s and 1930s;

 

SP 3360-3373

PRR 999000-999079 or 489900-489915

NYC X6500-6535

NP 89000-89059

DL&W 95708 plus others

B&O X330-324

WM 1410-1421

UP 91500-91544  and

SP&S X50-51

 

Very finely detailed cars with additional air tanks to provide detail options.   The trucks a require replacement wheels and axles.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 9:34 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

 

Bob,

 

I found a similar car on the RF&P around 1988. It would seem that the entire gondola part of the car can be tipped using train air. Even says "AIR DUMP" to the left of the coupler. Other than that, I know nothing about who built these or how common they were. Nice to know they were around in our era of interest.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:28 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh Collection:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A31-PandS-6-M-24

Click on the photo and then scroll to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 

 


Re: Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

Steve SANDIFER
 

Company service might be a better description. I have a number of ATSF records of them being used to provide sand to branch line stock pens for bedding purposes. I have a video of one being unloaded on an embankment to help prevent erosion.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

 

Hello Gary and all,

 

since several years I have an eye on these nice W&R models - but something lets me think that the prototypes were used exclusively or almost exclusively in MOW service - so they usually could not be seen in regular freight service. Am I wrong with this?

 

Many thanks and regards

 

Johannes

Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

 

Gesendet: Mittwoch, 09. September 2020 um 20:43 Uhr
Von: "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

From the W&R flyer for these cars back in 92, they were built by the Clark Car Co. in the 1920s and 1930s;

 

SP 3360-3373

PRR 999000-999079 or 489900-489915

NYC X6500-6535

NP 89000-89059

DL&W 95708 plus others

B&O X330-324

WM 1410-1421

UP 91500-91544  and

SP&S X50-51

 

Very finely detailed cars with additional air tanks to provide detail options.   The trucks a require replacement wheels and axles.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 9:34 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

 

Bob,

 

I found a similar car on the RF&P around 1988. It would seem that the entire gondola part of the car can be tipped using train air. Even says "AIR DUMP" to the left of the coupler. Other than that, I know nothing about who built these or how common they were. Nice to know they were around in our era of interest.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:28 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh Collection:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A31-PandS-6-M-24

Click on the photo and then scroll to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Loading Grain In A Refrigerator Car (1918) now fluorspar

Josh
 

How purple are we talking? I visited the Bell Hill fluorite mines in Utah two years ago, which you can see in this picture : https://www.flickr.com/photos/drgw223/42474153820/
And one of the underground shafts with the veins running through the walls: https://www.flickr.com/photos/drgw223/44233769692/in/photostream/
Where the veins of mineral reach the surface, the ground was fluorescent. It's a surreal experience in person. So I echo the sentiment, I dare you to model it!


Re: Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

Steve SANDIFER
 

These are Clark Car Co. 30 yard air dump cars. Santa Fe had 100 and used them for rip-rap as well as stockyard sand. W&R made HO models for them. I am seeking one or two for my ATSF layout.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 11:34 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

 

Bob,

 

I found a similar car on the RF&P around 1988. It would seem that the entire gondola part of the car can be tipped using train air. Even says "AIR DUMP" to the left of the coupler. Other than that, I know nothing about who built these or how common they were. Nice to know they were around in our era of interest.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:28 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh Collection:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A31-PandS-6-M-24

Click on the photo and then scroll to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: What car is this on the Rio Grande?

Josh
 

I know Parker and saw his scan of the slide. That is a silver painted car, I'm not sure how any of you are seeing red. It's a single door, not double. The D&RGW painted a few dozen (if I remember correctly) Pressed Steel Car Company 40-foot boxcars silver with black lettering for service at the Denver Keebler bakery, which became known as the "Cookie Box" scheme. It may be one of those. There are a few dozen of these cars scattered across the landscape in the San Luis Valley still. A google image search will yield many good photos.


Re: Question about Central Vermont boxcar color

Marty McGuirk
 

Don,

While the CV never used anything as formal as drift cards etc… in general I think by the post war era the color was of freshly painted cars was pretty close to the standard CN Red #11 color. I recall an Alan Irwin photo of a freshly painted 41000 series car that I included with Ed Beaudette’s article in the March (?) 2000 Model Railroader that shows the red color. Of course, that car has the pregnant tapeworm on the door, dating it to post 1962 or so. 

In general, the further back in time you go, the browner the color seemed to have gotten - but that’s not based on anything other than comparing CV cars with other cars painted “known” colors in b&w photos. I used to paint these cars straight Floquil Boxcar Red - but find the color has a bluish-purple cast that just doesn’t look right to my eye. 

A couple of decades ago Stafford Swain and some other CN modelers prepared a “chip of many colors” - essentially drift cards for model railroaders - that they sent to the various paint manufacturers. So, if you’re going for a just out the shop look then Tru Color (TCP 196), Scalecoat, and even Modelflex (16-163) (Badger) all make versions of CN Red #11 - all of which were matched to Stafford’s research. Basically a brownish oxide red, as opposed to an orange oxide red like PRR Freight Car Color of the immediate post war years. 

For an in-service weathered car the skies the limit of course - they tended to weather darker rather than lighter - like the car in this blog post - but to model this kind of look I’d start with the “original” color and weather it down. 

You can just see a patch of what looks to be something close to CN red #11 by the XA reweigh date. Of course, that patch dates to well after the steam era, but at least we know it was applied in “XA” - which is St. Albans, Vt. 

Tru Color offers a color called “Brick Red” or some such - I think it’s a little too brown for most brick buildings, but it may be just “reddish brown” enough to work as a basis for a weathered car. I haven’t tried it yet - and will admit I don’t have the paint on hand - but I do plan to order some and see. 


Hope this helps, 

Marty










On Sep 8, 2020, at 9:29 AM, Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

 
Ho folks,
 
    I’m hoping that Marty McGuirk of some other CV modeler can steer me in the right direction
for an appropriate model paint color for Central Vermont boxcars in the immediate postwar period,
preferably with a reference to an Accu-Paint or Tru- Color color number. If not Scale-Coat would be
my next order of preference. Am also wondering if it might be the same as a CN boxcar red color.
 
   Thanks in advance for any assistance, Don Valentine.
 


Re: Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

vapeurchapelon
 

Many thanks, Ted! Seems that I have to have such a car one day...
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 09. September 2020 um 21:00 Uhr
Von: "Ted Schnepf" <railsunl@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
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Hello Johannes,

Air dumps would move in regular freight trains to a terminal near where they would be unloaded by or work or local way freight. The cars would haul rip rap, ballast, and sometimes ties or other timbers for MOW use.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353
 

On Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 01:48:59 PM CDT, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:
 
 
Hello Gary and all,
 
since several years I have an eye on these nice W&R models - but something lets me think that the prototypes were used exclusively or almost exclusively in MOW service - so they usually could not be seen in regular freight service. Am I wrong with this?
 
Many thanks and regards
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 09. September 2020 um 20:43 Uhr
Von: "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

From the W&R flyer for these cars back in 92, they were built by the Clark Car Co. in the 1920s and 1930s;

 

SP 3360-3373

PRR 999000-999079 or 489900-489915

NYC X6500-6535

NP 89000-89059

DL&W 95708 plus others

B&O X330-324

WM 1410-1421

UP 91500-91544  and

SP&S X50-51

 

Very finely detailed cars with additional air tanks to provide detail options.   The trucks a require replacement wheels and axles.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 9:34 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

 

Bob,

 

I found a similar car on the RF&P around 1988. It would seem that the entire gondola part of the car can be tipped using train air. Even says "AIR DUMP" to the left of the coupler. Other than that, I know nothing about who built these or how common they were. Nice to know they were around in our era of interest.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:28 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Pittsburgh & Shawmut Railroad Dump Car M-24 (1954)

A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh Collection:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A31-PandS-6-M-24

Click on the photo and then scroll to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 

 

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