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Re: What Is This Flatcar Load?

Bill Keene
 

Thank you for the ID on the load.

What I would like to know is … where can I find a model of this flat car? Or any info at all?

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:59 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Folks,

I was pretty sure that these were not generators because of the additional equipment and the nature of the trailer. I asked over on the 1-87Military Modelers group and Jim Eager replied:

”Those are AN/MPQ-4 mortar fire finder radar units.  The TM for them is 11-5840-208-10. The power generator and other auxiliary equipment for them would have been on a separate trailer.”

To translate, these are small radar units used to locate the source of incoming enemy mortar fire and direct counter-battery fire to suppress them.  Neat!

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

What Is This Flatcar Load?
This is a photo from  Marty McGuirk's Central Vermont Railway blog:
Can anyone identify the load? Perhaps military generators as suggested by Marty?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



Re: roof contruction details

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 08:05 AM, radiodial868 wrote:
In addition to those rounded door corners, you can actually see the door itself.
Only at the rounded top. Square cornered doors, the top edge tends to get lost under the drip rail over the opening. Referring to the photo, the sides of the door are discernible because the car side has weathered differently from the door, likely because the bottom most leaf of the hinge barrel is on the portion mounted on the car side and the rain runs off that and onto the car side carrying a mixture of oil and iron dust wearing off the hinge, but the actual groove in the siding is the same width as all the rest of the grooves.

Dennis Storzek


Re: What Is This Flatcar Load?

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

I was pretty sure that these were not generators because of the additional equipment and the nature of the trailer. I asked over on the 1-87Military Modelers group and Jim Eager replied:

”Those are AN/MPQ-4 mortar fire finder radar units.  The TM for them is 11-5840-208-10. The power generator and other auxiliary equipment for them would have been on a separate trailer.”

To translate, these are small radar units used to locate the source of incoming enemy mortar fire and direct counter-battery fire to suppress them.  Neat!

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

What Is This Flatcar Load?
This is a photo from  Marty McGuirk's Central Vermont Railway blog:
Can anyone identify the load? Perhaps military generators as suggested by Marty?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


C.C. Grayson Collection

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

Over the years I have acquired a number of locomotive photos originally from the C.C. Grayson collection. Can anyone tell me about this collector/dealer? All I know is that he lived in Longview, Texas, and apparently sold or traded prints.

I am hopeful that his collection has passed on to an individual or museum and that they are available for purchase. Of course, I'm hoping his collection included freight cars, though all I've seen are locomotives.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 515355 (1912)

Dave Parker
 

I have to question the Sept 1912 date.  None of those cars appear to be compliant with the 1911 changes to the SAA  (ladders, grabs, sill-steps, etc.).  When the amendments were passed in 1910, the implementation date was specified to be July 1, 1911, and I believe that is how it transpired.

Alternatively, the date is correct, but those cars are not in interchange.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: roof contruction details

O Fenton Wells
 

I believe it is a Fruit Growers Express.
Fenton

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 11:05 AM radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:
And the ice hatch supports. Never see those modeled. In addition to those rounded door corners, you can actually see the door itself. Most models are just the hardware mounted on the siding surface.  Is this a WFE reefer, or?
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Photo: PRR Boxcar 515355 (1912)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Boxcar 515355 (1912)

A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh Collection:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.1237.CP

Click on the photo and then scroll to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


What Is This Flatcar Load?

Bob Chaparro
 

What Is This Flatcar Load?

This is a photo from  Marty McGuirk's Central Vermont Railway blog:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JW-ZAi-H3E0/U8h4fLAZUYI/AAAAAAAABoA/bOaVm0FaMv8/s1600/cbq91243.jpg

Can anyone identify the load? Perhaps military generators as suggested by Marty?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: roof contruction details

radiodial868
 

And the ice hatch supports. Never see those modeled. In addition to those rounded door corners, you can actually see the door itself. Most models are just the hardware mounted on the siding surface.  Is this a WFE reefer, or?
--
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Loading Grain In A Refrigerator Car (1918) now fluorspar

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

That’s great, Richard!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

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Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Loading Grain In A Refrigerator Car (1918) now fluorspar

 

I have a gondola loaded with purple glass “frit “ to represent a fluorospar loaf.



On Sep 9, 2020, at 1:00 PM, Josh <segorailroadmodels@...> wrote:

How purple are we talking? I visited the Bell Hill fluorite mines in Utah two years ago, which you can see in this picture : Blockedhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/drgw223/42474153820/
And one of the underground shafts with the veins running through the walls: Blockedhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/drgw223/44233769692/in/photostream/
Where the veins of mineral reach the surface, the ground was fluorescent. It's a surreal experience in person. So I echo the sentiment, I dare you to model it!


Re: Swift Tank Car

Bruce Smith
 

Al,

The photo is circa 1910. These are early "tank on flatcar" types of tank cars with end braces instead of center anchors. Likely most, if not all, were out of service in a just a few more years.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of al_brown03 <abrown@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 7:06 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Swift Tank Car
 
Hmm, full side sills.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Swift Tank Car

al_brown03
 

Hmm, full side sills.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Swift Tank Car

David North
 

Thanks to everyone who replied to my email re Swift tank cars.
cheers
Dave


Re: What car is this on the Rio Grande?

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Josh and Friends,

D&RGW had 76 such insulated boxcars, 60000-60076. They were drawn from several blocks of Pressed Steel 12-panel 10' 4" IH boxcars which the Rio Grande began buying in the late 1930s. According to Jim Eager's RIO GRANDE COLOR GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT, 60000-60036 were rebuilt in 1954-55, 60037-60046 were added in 1959, while 60047-60076 followed in 1961. Cars 60037, 60047, 60052 and 60064 were drawn from the 1946 series of boxcars and had Improved Dreadnaught ends. Based on the steam locomotive in the photo, if this is indeed a "Cookie Box", it had to be from 60000-60036.

Contrary to what Silver Streak would have had us believe, there apparently were no double-sheathed cars with this paint scheme, and none had white sides like their offering. They were all a silver-gray. 

These cars were loaded at the Keebler bakery in Denver, and Jim Eager says they were routed to distribution centers throughout the west (Keebler was not yet a national brand). Indeed, one of the two photos in his book shows a car in Albuquerque. Some commentators have claimed the "Cookie Boxes" only were used between Denver and Salt Lake City, but from Jim's book and the photo in question this is not so. They went all over Keebler's market area, including off the D&RGW.

At least one of these cars was in D&RGW MW service until well past the UP take-over. Attached is one I shot from the window of the California Zephyr in the 1990s at Glenwood Springs. On some of my trips I saw this car at Bond. I was watching for it (camera ready) every year I went to California to see my parents.

Jim mentions that they were heavily insulated in the roof, and that may be the remnants of the insulation compartment showing above the door opening in my shot. Their wall insulation was behind plywood lining, a wooden door was behind the original steel door, and some cars had load restrainers. You can also see the small access hatch to the insulation compartment just below the running board on the end of the car (they had one at each end).

Jim also mentions a similar experimental car for potatoes, 60080. Apparently it was a failure, as there was only one. Sorry, but there is no photo in his book. 

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 3:52 PM Josh <segorailroadmodels@...> wrote:
I know Parker and saw his scan of the slide. That is a silver painted car, I'm not sure how any of you are seeing red. It's a single door, not double. The D&RGW painted a few dozen (if I remember correctly) Pressed Steel Car Company 40-foot boxcars silver with black lettering for service at the Denver Keebler bakery, which became known as the "Cookie Box" scheme. It may be one of those. There are a few dozen of these cars scattered across the landscape in the San Luis Valley still. A google image search will yield many good photos.


Re: roof contruction details

Steve and Barb Hile
 

A very subtle amount of paint failure on this roof.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 4:43 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] roof contruction details

 

Hi List Members,

 

This image linked below allows one to zoom in on the roof contruction details in a very clear way...

 

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: roof contruction details

Douglas Harding
 

What caught my eye was the rounded corners on the reefer doors.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

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Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 8:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] roof contruction details

On Sep 9, 2020, at 14:43, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
<claus@hellgatemodels.com> wrote:

Hi List Members,

This image linked below allows one to zoom in on the roof contruction
details in a very clear way...

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.3949832.CP
In almost all of these very busy vintage photos there's some eminently
modelable detail that has very little to do with the obvious subject. In
this case it's the air compressor on the street to the right of the
restaurant, and it looks like the kid brother of one we had in the family
rental business. Swap out the engine for a six cylinder Ingersoll-Rand
multifuel, make the compressor a compound with two low pressure cylinders in
a 90 degree vee and a single high pressure cylinder between the other two,
and put it on 6/70X15 wheels and inflatable tires - Bob's yer uncle. Browse
all over and find other tidbits.


Re: Photo: B&O Boxcar 175574 (1940)

vincent altiere <steel77086@...>
 

Thanks Eric.

Vince Altiere


-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Hansmann <eric@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2020 11:53 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: B&O Boxcar 175574 (1940)

The B&O literally had thousands of boxcars with left-opening doors.
 
Both of the double-sheathed cars in the Pittsburgh image are from the M-15 class, but there were a number of sub-classes with individual hardware characteristics. I do not know how many M-15 cars had the left-opening doors, but it was a common feature. For several years in the 1920s, the M-15 class was the most numerous boxcar on the B&O. The heavy underframe became the basis for rebuilding many into the  M-15k subclass; the familiar wagon-top boxcars.
 
There were also thousands of M-8 class 36-ft double-sheathed boxcars with left-opening doors. Many of the M-8 cars started moving off regular service as the steel-sheathed M-26 cars came into the fleet in the mid-1920s. The majority were scrapped but many moved to maintenance service. There were 9988 M-8 and subclass cars on the 1926 B&O ORER listings. These were gone by the 1943 ORER.
 
The M-13 and M-14 classes were also 36-ft double-sheathed boxcars with left-opening doors. These cars had a distinctive fishbelly side sill. The M-14 class were originally ventilated cars but rebuilt into M-14a boxcars in the 1920s. 4366 of these cars were listed in the 1926 ORER. By the 1943 listings, these had dwindled to 62 cars.
 
The M-12 class were similar to the M-13 cars and installed during PRR control in 1902. These were a variation on the Pennsy XL boxcar design. Of the 1239 cars listed in the 1926 ORER, only nine cars were in the 1943 ORER.
 
Look how interesting the earlier freight car fleet can be!!
 
 
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
 
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of vincent altiere via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:05 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: B&O Boxcar 175574 (1940)
 
Bob-
 
Looking at that photo, it appears that the car farthest from the camera has a door that opens to the left. Do you know what B&O class of boxcars that might belong to ?? I wasn't aware the B&O had that type of car.
 
Vince Altiere

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From: Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2020 10:29 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: B&O Boxcar 175574 (1940)
Photo: B&O Boxcar 175574 (1940)
A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh Collection:
Click on the photo and then scroll to enlarge it.
Two additional B&O boxcars in the photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: roof contruction details

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Sep 9, 2020, at 14:43, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@hellgatemodels.com> wrote:

Hi List Members,

This image linked below allows one to zoom in on the roof contruction details in a very clear way...

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.3949832.CP
In almost all of these very busy vintage photos there's some eminently modelable detail that has very little to do with the obvious subject. In this case it's the air compressor on the street to the right of the restaurant, and it looks like the kid brother of one we had in the family rental business. Swap out the engine for a six cylinder Ingersoll-Rand multifuel, make the compressor a compound with two low pressure cylinders in a 90 degree vee and a single high pressure cylinder between the other two, and put it on 6/70X15 wheels and inflatable tires - Bob's yer uncle. Browse all over and find other tidbits.


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Loading Grain In A Refrigerator Car (1918) now fluorspar

Richard Townsend
 

I have a gondola loaded with purple glass “frit “ to represent a fluorospar loaf.


On Sep 9, 2020, at 1:00 PM, Josh <segorailroadmodels@...> wrote:



How purple are we talking? I visited the Bell Hill fluorite mines in Utah two years ago, which you can see in this picture : https://www.flickr.com/photos/drgw223/42474153820/
And one of the underground shafts with the veins running through the walls: https://www.flickr.com/photos/drgw223/44233769692/in/photostream/
Where the veins of mineral reach the surface, the ground was fluorescent. It's a surreal experience in person. So I echo the sentiment, I dare you to model it!


roof contruction details

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
This image linked below allows one to zoom in on the roof contruction details in a very clear way...
 
 
Claus Schlund
 

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