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Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 515355 (1912)

Dave Parker
 

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 02:29 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
It took railroads a decade to upgrade or replace equipment to meet the MCB requirements that fulfill the 1911 amendment to the Safety Appliances Act.
Eric:

I think you need to go back and read the history of the 1911 SAA amendments.  These were not the stuff of MCB Standard and Recommended Practices, but rather Federal laws adopted by Congress on April 14, 1910 .  Here's one snippet from the official passage of the act:



The ICC (not the MCB) was charged with developing the details of the required appliances, it was put on a deadline (with a threat of penalty), and the fines to be charged the railroads (by the ICC) for noncompliance are spelled out at this time.

I don't tend to collect photos from the teens, but the ones that I do all show the SAA hardware if the photo can be dated to 1911+.  All the photos I have without the required ladders, etc. date to 1910 or before.

It would take some compelling photographic evidence to convince me that there were non-compliant cars in interchange in 1920 (or, perhaps, even in 1912).

With best regards.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Swift Tank Car

Tony Thompson
 

Bruce Smith wrote:

The photo is circa 1910. These are early "tank on flatcar" types of tank cars with end braces instead of center anchors. Likely most, if not all, were out of service in a just a few more years.

   True as far as it goes, but I feel impelled to expand a little. After about 1875, tank cars were NOT just tanks on flat cars, but had frames that would not be suitable for flat cars (though they often certainly looked that way). Bruce is essentially right about appearance, but not about construction.
     Cars with head blocks instead of center anchors remained in service for decades after 1910, though none were being built that way.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 515355 (1912)

akerboomk
 

RE: Sullivan County

Yes, that was a B&M leased line, along the Connecticut River.

 

Can anyone discern the #?  Looks like “5x5” to me.

 

If 525, then this series (sorry for lack of data…)

            https://www.bmrrhs.org/box_sc500_series/

 

If 575, then these cars:

            https://www.bmrrhs.org/box_sc540_series/

 

Ken A.


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Ken Akerboom


Re: What Is This Flatcar Load?

Marty McGuirk
 

I’d received the ID of the load after I’d posted the photo on my blog. Obviously I forgot to update the post!
My car is a Sunshine Models kit that was one of the registration door prizes Martin used to provide at his Naperville meets.

Marty 

On Sep 10, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Bill,

The car is CB&Q 91243, an FM-11/11A class car. The reason that Marty's blog had the prototype photo was that he was building a model. 


A resin HO FM-11 model was recently available from Ed Rethwischm and Jerry Hamsmith .

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Keene via groups.io <bill41@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:04 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] What Is This Flatcar Load?
 
Thank you for the ID on the load.

What I would like to know is … where can I find a model of this flat car? Or any info at all?

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:59 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Folks,

I was pretty sure that these were not generators because of the additional equipment and the nature of the trailer. I asked over on the 1-87Military Modelers group and Jim Eager replied:

”Those are AN/MPQ-4 mortar fire finder radar units.  The TM for them is 11-5840-208-10. The power generator and other auxiliary equipment for them would have been on a separate trailer.”

To translate, these are small radar units used to locate the source of incoming enemy mortar fire and direct counter-battery fire to suppress them.  Neat!

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

What Is This Flatcar Load?
This is a photo from  Marty McGuirk's Central Vermont Railway blog:
Can anyone identify the load? Perhaps military generators as suggested by Marty?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



Re: What Is This Flatcar Load?

Bill Keene
 

Bruce,

Thank You. I need a few flat cars and this one looks like a good candidate.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Sep 10, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Bill,

The car is CB&Q 91243, an FM-11/11A class car. The reason that Marty's blog had the prototype photo was that he was building a model. 


A resin HO FM-11 model was recently available from Ed Rethwischm and Jerry Hamsmith .

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Keene via groups.io <bill41@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:04 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] What Is This Flatcar Load?
 
Thank you for the ID on the load.

What I would like to know is … where can I find a model of this flat car? Or any info at all?

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:59 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Folks,

I was pretty sure that these were not generators because of the additional equipment and the nature of the trailer. I asked over on the 1-87Military Modelers group and Jim Eager replied:

”Those are AN/MPQ-4 mortar fire finder radar units.  The TM for them is 11-5840-208-10. The power generator and other auxiliary equipment for them would have been on a separate trailer.”

To translate, these are small radar units used to locate the source of incoming enemy mortar fire and direct counter-battery fire to suppress them.  Neat!

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

What Is This Flatcar Load?
This is a photo from  Marty McGuirk's Central Vermont Railway blog:
Can anyone identify the load? Perhaps military generators as suggested by Marty?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA




Re: What Is This Flatcar Load?

Bruce Smith
 

Bill,

The car is CB&Q 91243, an FM-11/11A class car. The reason that Marty's blog had the prototype photo was that he was building a model. 


A resin HO FM-11 model was recently available from Ed Rethwischm and Jerry Hamsmith .

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Keene via groups.io <bill41@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:04 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] What Is This Flatcar Load?
 
Thank you for the ID on the load.

What I would like to know is … where can I find a model of this flat car? Or any info at all?

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:59 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Folks,

I was pretty sure that these were not generators because of the additional equipment and the nature of the trailer. I asked over on the 1-87Military Modelers group and Jim Eager replied:

”Those are AN/MPQ-4 mortar fire finder radar units.  The TM for them is 11-5840-208-10. The power generator and other auxiliary equipment for them would have been on a separate trailer.”

To translate, these are small radar units used to locate the source of incoming enemy mortar fire and direct counter-battery fire to suppress them.  Neat!

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

What Is This Flatcar Load?
This is a photo from  Marty McGuirk's Central Vermont Railway blog:
Can anyone identify the load? Perhaps military generators as suggested by Marty?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



Re: What Is This Flatcar Load?

Bill Keene
 

This is good news. Any chance of there being a model in HO scale?

Thanks,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Sep 10, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi Bill,
 
Model Power makes a plastic model of this car in N scale.
 
I don't know if they paint/letter it for CB&Q though...
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] What Is This Flatcar Load?

Thank you for the ID on the load.

What I would like to know is … where can I find a model of this flat car? Or any info at all?

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:59 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Folks, 

I was pretty sure that these were not generators because of the additional equipment and the nature of the trailer. I asked over on the 1-87Military Modelers group and Jim Eager replied: 

”Those are AN/MPQ-4 mortar fire finder radar units.  The TM for them is 11-5840-208-10. The power generator and other auxiliary equipment for them would have been on a separate trailer.”

To translate, these are small radar units used to locate the source of incoming enemy mortar fire and direct counter-battery fire to suppress them.  Neat!

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

What Is This Flatcar Load?
This is a photo from  Marty McGuirk's Central Vermont Railway blog:
Can anyone identify the load? Perhaps military generators as suggested by Marty?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA




Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 515355 (1912)

Eric Hansmann
 

The location is Pittsburgh, almost at the Point. The Allegheny River is on the left. The cars are lettered for the Pittsburgh, Fort Wayne, and Chicago (PRR Lines West), Alabama Great Southern (Southern subsidiary), Sullivan County (B&M related?), and I think the last one is D&H.

 

The elevated structure connected the Pennsy yards in the Strip District 20 blocks north of the location, with the Pennsy freight house and team yard at the Point. This 1925 aerial image offers a look at a long gone part of the city.
https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A886.6668.AP

 

It took railroads a decade to upgrade or replace equipment to meet the MCB requirements that fulfill the 1911 amendment to the Safety Appliances Act.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Parker via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 12:42 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Boxcar 515355 (1912)

 

I have to question the Sept 1912 date.  None of those cars appear to be compliant with the 1911 changes to the SAA  (ladders, grabs, sill-steps, etc.).  When the amendments were passed in 1910, the implementation date was specified to be July 1, 1911, and I believe that is how it transpired.

Alternatively, the date is correct, but those cars are not in interchange.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: What Is This Flatcar Load?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bill,
 
Model Power makes a plastic model of this car in N scale.
 
I don't know if they paint/letter it for CB&Q though...
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] What Is This Flatcar Load?

Thank you for the ID on the load.

What I would like to know is … where can I find a model of this flat car? Or any info at all?

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:59 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Folks,

I was pretty sure that these were not generators because of the additional equipment and the nature of the trailer. I asked over on the 1-87Military Modelers group and Jim Eager replied:

”Those are AN/MPQ-4 mortar fire finder radar units.  The TM for them is 11-5840-208-10. The power generator and other auxiliary equipment for them would have been on a separate trailer.”

To translate, these are small radar units used to locate the source of incoming enemy mortar fire and direct counter-battery fire to suppress them.  Neat!

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

What Is This Flatcar Load?
This is a photo from  Marty McGuirk's Central Vermont Railway blog:
Can anyone identify the load? Perhaps military generators as suggested by Marty?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



Re: What Is This Flatcar Load?

Bill Keene
 

Thank you for the ID on the load.

What I would like to know is … where can I find a model of this flat car? Or any info at all?

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:59 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Folks,

I was pretty sure that these were not generators because of the additional equipment and the nature of the trailer. I asked over on the 1-87Military Modelers group and Jim Eager replied:

”Those are AN/MPQ-4 mortar fire finder radar units.  The TM for them is 11-5840-208-10. The power generator and other auxiliary equipment for them would have been on a separate trailer.”

To translate, these are small radar units used to locate the source of incoming enemy mortar fire and direct counter-battery fire to suppress them.  Neat!

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

What Is This Flatcar Load?
This is a photo from  Marty McGuirk's Central Vermont Railway blog:
Can anyone identify the load? Perhaps military generators as suggested by Marty?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



Re: roof contruction details

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 08:05 AM, radiodial868 wrote:
In addition to those rounded door corners, you can actually see the door itself.
Only at the rounded top. Square cornered doors, the top edge tends to get lost under the drip rail over the opening. Referring to the photo, the sides of the door are discernible because the car side has weathered differently from the door, likely because the bottom most leaf of the hinge barrel is on the portion mounted on the car side and the rain runs off that and onto the car side carrying a mixture of oil and iron dust wearing off the hinge, but the actual groove in the siding is the same width as all the rest of the grooves.

Dennis Storzek


Re: What Is This Flatcar Load?

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

I was pretty sure that these were not generators because of the additional equipment and the nature of the trailer. I asked over on the 1-87Military Modelers group and Jim Eager replied:

”Those are AN/MPQ-4 mortar fire finder radar units.  The TM for them is 11-5840-208-10. The power generator and other auxiliary equipment for them would have been on a separate trailer.”

To translate, these are small radar units used to locate the source of incoming enemy mortar fire and direct counter-battery fire to suppress them.  Neat!

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

What Is This Flatcar Load?
This is a photo from  Marty McGuirk's Central Vermont Railway blog:
Can anyone identify the load? Perhaps military generators as suggested by Marty?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


C.C. Grayson Collection

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

Over the years I have acquired a number of locomotive photos originally from the C.C. Grayson collection. Can anyone tell me about this collector/dealer? All I know is that he lived in Longview, Texas, and apparently sold or traded prints.

I am hopeful that his collection has passed on to an individual or museum and that they are available for purchase. Of course, I'm hoping his collection included freight cars, though all I've seen are locomotives.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 515355 (1912)

Dave Parker
 

I have to question the Sept 1912 date.  None of those cars appear to be compliant with the 1911 changes to the SAA  (ladders, grabs, sill-steps, etc.).  When the amendments were passed in 1910, the implementation date was specified to be July 1, 1911, and I believe that is how it transpired.

Alternatively, the date is correct, but those cars are not in interchange.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: roof contruction details

O Fenton Wells
 

I believe it is a Fruit Growers Express.
Fenton

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 11:05 AM radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:
And the ice hatch supports. Never see those modeled. In addition to those rounded door corners, you can actually see the door itself. Most models are just the hardware mounted on the siding surface.  Is this a WFE reefer, or?
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
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Photo: PRR Boxcar 515355 (1912)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Boxcar 515355 (1912)

A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh Collection:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.1237.CP

Click on the photo and then scroll to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


What Is This Flatcar Load?

Bob Chaparro
 

What Is This Flatcar Load?

This is a photo from  Marty McGuirk's Central Vermont Railway blog:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JW-ZAi-H3E0/U8h4fLAZUYI/AAAAAAAABoA/bOaVm0FaMv8/s1600/cbq91243.jpg

Can anyone identify the load? Perhaps military generators as suggested by Marty?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: roof contruction details

radiodial868
 

And the ice hatch supports. Never see those modeled. In addition to those rounded door corners, you can actually see the door itself. Most models are just the hardware mounted on the siding surface.  Is this a WFE reefer, or?
--
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Loading Grain In A Refrigerator Car (1918) now fluorspar

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

That’s great, Richard!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 8:17 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Loading Grain In A Refrigerator Car (1918) now fluorspar

 

I have a gondola loaded with purple glass “frit “ to represent a fluorospar loaf.



On Sep 9, 2020, at 1:00 PM, Josh <segorailroadmodels@...> wrote:

How purple are we talking? I visited the Bell Hill fluorite mines in Utah two years ago, which you can see in this picture : Blockedhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/drgw223/42474153820/
And one of the underground shafts with the veins running through the walls: Blockedhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/drgw223/44233769692/in/photostream/
Where the veins of mineral reach the surface, the ground was fluorescent. It's a surreal experience in person. So I echo the sentiment, I dare you to model it!


Re: Swift Tank Car

Bruce Smith
 

Al,

The photo is circa 1910. These are early "tank on flatcar" types of tank cars with end braces instead of center anchors. Likely most, if not all, were out of service in a just a few more years.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of al_brown03 <abrown@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 7:06 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Swift Tank Car
 
Hmm, full side sills.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

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