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Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 515355 (1912)

John Barry
 

Dave,

The procedures for granting an exemption or extension back in the day would have been dictated by the ICC, most likely in their rules of practice.  Since 1946, those procedures have been governed by the Administrative Procedures Act.  In today's environment, the regulator often reaches out to industry for assistance setting out the standards that they will enforce by rule.  Looks like that principle of consent and comment of the governed operated in the setting of the standards 110 years ago.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Friday, September 11, 2020, 01:24:07 AM EDT, Dave Parker via groups.io <spottab@...> wrote:


Well, Guy, I knew if I stuck my foot in it on this one, and the trap got sprung, it would probably be by you.  As always, I have learned something both interesting and important.

Just curious:  is there a convenient reference for the granting of these extensions?  I didn't see one in the archival versions of your explanation.

Also, can we safely assume that new-car construction was never exempt once we hit the 7/1/11 implementation data? 

Last, did the ARA provide any data to make their case to the ICC that each successive deadline could not be met?   I am wondering what fraction of the pre-1911 cars had been properly refitted by 1915, 1917, etc.  I don't think the photographic evidence from that period is nearly extensive enough to give us any clues as to the proportion of compliant vs noncompliant cars.

As always, thanks for the history lesson!

With best regards.
(PS, I hope Idaho is not as crazy as it is up and down the coastal states right now.  It's apocalyptic here)
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Safety Appliance details - was Photo: PRR Boxcar 515355 (1912)

Eric Hansmann
 

Dave Parker wrote:

The ICC (not the MCB) was charged with developing the details of the required appliances, it was put on a deadline (with a threat of penalty), and the fines to be charged the railroads (by the ICC) for noncompliance are spelled out at this time.

=================

 

Dave,

 

I was wrong about the MCB developing the details for the required appliances, but it was not the ICC either. A General Committee of Railroads on Safety Appliance Standards was formed in 1910 to develop details on standardized safety appliances and their locations in order to fulfill the amendment to the Safety Appliance Act. The committee was formed “At the instance of the Secretary of the ICC…” Their findings were published and available to review at this link. Page five details the formation of this committee and their duties.

https://books.google.com/books?id=0wkqAAAAYAAJ&ppis=_e&pg=PA4#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

I mentioned the MCB as I had this book in mind; Drawings of the Standards and Recommended Practice of the Master Car Builders’ Association.

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiug.30112070081655&view=1up&seq=5

 

Obviously, the Committee and the MCB worked closely to develop the safety appliance specifics.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


Re: L&N boom and tool car 42296

Bruce Smith
 

Dick,

Nice work!  What gets coupled to the “a” end?


Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Sep 11, 2020, at 8:25 AM, Richard Scott <rlscott5709@...> wrote:

Here's a photo of my most recent pandemic project, an O-scale model of L&N boom and tool car 42296.  I built it from a vintage Train-Craft Products kit, with many modifications and some added details.  I painted it with Polly Scale acrylics, and lettered it with Champ decals.


I have other photos of my steam-era freight cars in "Dick Scott's models," currently on the first page of our photo section.


Dick Scott
<L&N 42296.JPG>


Re: L&N boom and tool car 42296

Paul Doggett
 

Dick 

You made a great job of that.

Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 11 Sep 2020, at 14:35, Richard Scott <rlscott5709@...> wrote:


Here's a photo of my most recent pandemic project, an O-scale model of L&N boom and tool car 42296.  I built it from a vintage Train-Craft Products kit, with many modifications and some added details.  I painted it with Polly Scale acrylics, and lettered it with Champ decals.


I have other photos of my steam-era freight cars in "Dick Scott's models," currently on the first page of our photo section.


Dick Scott
<L&N 42296.JPG>


Re: L&N boom and tool car 42296

al_brown03
 

Nice!!

AL B.


Re: L&N boom and tool car 42296

O Fenton Wells
 

Great looking car 
Fenton 


On Sep 11, 2020, at 9:28 AM, Richard Scott <rlscott5709@...> wrote:


Here's a photo of my most recent pandemic project, an O-scale model of L&N boom and tool car 42296.  I built it from a vintage Train-Craft Products kit, with many modifications and some added details.  I painted it with Polly Scale acrylics, and lettered it with Champ decals.


I have other photos of my steam-era freight cars in "Dick Scott's models," currently on the first page of our photo section.


Dick Scott
<L&N 42296.JPG>


L&N boom and tool car 42296

Richard Scott
 

Here's a photo of my most recent pandemic project, an O-scale model of L&N boom and tool car 42296.  I built it from a vintage Train-Craft Products kit, with many modifications and some added details.  I painted it with Polly Scale acrylics, and lettered it with Champ decals.


I have other photos of my steam-era freight cars in "Dick Scott's models," currently on the first page of our photo section.


Dick Scott


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 515355 (1912)

Dave Parker
 

Well, Guy, I knew if I stuck my foot in it on this one, and the trap got sprung, it would probably be by you.  As always, I have learned something both interesting and important.

Just curious:  is there a convenient reference for the granting of these extensions?  I didn't see one in the archival versions of your explanation.

Also, can we safely assume that new-car construction was never exempt once we hit the 7/1/11 implementation data? 

Last, did the ARA provide any data to make their case to the ICC that each successive deadline could not be met?   I am wondering what fraction of the pre-1911 cars had been properly refitted by 1915, 1917, etc.  I don't think the photographic evidence from that period is nearly extensive enough to give us any clues as to the proportion of compliant vs noncompliant cars.

As always, thanks for the history lesson!

With best regards.
(PS, I hope Idaho is not as crazy as it is up and down the coastal states right now.  It's apocalyptic here)
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 515355 (1912)

Guy Wilber
 

Dave Parker were:

“It would take some compelling photographic evidence to convince me that there were non-compliant cars in interchange in 1920 (or, perhaps, even in 1912).”

From the list archives (2014):

_,_
By order of the ICC issued March 13, 1911, carriers were granted a five year extension from July 1, 1911 to July 1, 1916.  Further extensions included:  On November 2, 1915 an extension to July 1, 1917; On April 12, 1917 an extension to March 1, 1918; on February 1, 1918 an extension to September 1, 1919; and on August 29, 1919 an extension to March 1, 1920.  On March 2, 1920, The ARA filed application for a further extension which was denied on August 7, 1920.  
 
The ICC stated that their denial to the ARA's request was due mainly to the "liberal" amount of time already granted within the extensions.  The commission also noted within its decision that the ARA had made their request a day past the existing deadline though this was not a major factor within their decision.   
 
Data supplied by the ARA shortly after the ICC's hearing showed that there were about 45,000 cars still in need of some work to fully comply with the provisions of the Safety Appliance Standards.  About 60% of that total included cars which would require minor repairs only in order to bring them into full compliance.  The largest portion of the remainder consisted of cars which did not meet the required ladder clearances (likely) requiring major repairs in order to fully comply or those scheduled for scrapping.  

Guy Wilber
Driggs, Idaho


Re: What Is This Flatcar Load?

Nelson Moyer
 

And that mini-kit was the inspiration for the gorgeous FM-11/11A kits offered by Jerry Hamsmith, due largely to the artistry of Ed Rethwisch. Having built ten of these kits I speak from experience.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty McGuirk
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:42 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] What Is This Flatcar Load?

 

I’d received the ID of the load after I’d posted the photo on my blog. Obviously I forgot to update the post!

My car is a Sunshine Models kit that was one of the registration door prizes Martin used to provide at his Naperville meets.


Marty 



On Sep 10, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:



Bill,

 

The car is CB&Q 91243, an FM-11/11A class car. The reason that Marty's blog had the prototype photo was that he was building a model. 

 

 

A resin HO FM-11 model was recently available from Ed Rethwischm and Jerry Hamsmith .

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, Al

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Keene via groups.io <bill41@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:04 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] What Is This Flatcar Load?

 

Thank you for the ID on the load.

 

What I would like to know is … where can I find a model of this flat car? Or any info at all?

 

Cheers,

Bill Keene

Irvine, CA

 



On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:59 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

 

Folks,

 

I was pretty sure that these were not generators because of the additional equipment and the nature of the trailer. I asked over on the 1-87Military Modelers group and Jim Eager replied:

 

”Those are AN/MPQ-4 mortar fire finder radar units.  The TM for them is 11-5840-208-10. The power generator and other auxiliary equipment for them would have been on a separate trailer.”

 

To translate, these are small radar units used to locate the source of incoming enemy mortar fire and direct counter-battery fire to suppress them.  Neat!

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL



On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

 

What Is This Flatcar Load?

This is a photo from  Marty McGuirk's Central Vermont Railway blog:

Can anyone identify the load? Perhaps military generators as suggested by Marty?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 

 


Re: What Is This Flatcar Load?

Rob & Bev Manley
 

With regards to the CB&Q Flatcar. I built the Sunshine Mini-kit and Chad's NP flatcar. Both are great kits. My method of weighting was to measure the cells on the bottoms of both cars, Rule up a grid of the sizes using a T-Square and Triangle. I then took some sheet lead I got from my house's re-roofing and replacement from the old flashing. I rolled the lead sheet flat and taped it over the template. Scoring the lead, I was able to harvest perfectly sized drop in panels. I can now place the  empty cars behind the locomotive in a sixty car train.

The "CB&Q" decal lettering on the Sunshine car is too high for the model and prototype photos. 
 
Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"


On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 05:22:43 PM CDT, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Bill,

Have you considered Chad Boaz's kits? He has some neat stuff nobody else has done. They are pretty basic bodies and underframes, to which you add the details. I have a couple waiting to build and I think they are pretty nice.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:39 PM Bill Keene via groups.io <bill41=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bruce,

Thank You. I need a few flat cars and this one looks like a good candidate.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Sep 10, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Bill,

The car is CB&Q 91243, an FM-11/11A class car. The reason that Marty's blog had the prototype photo was that he was building a model. 


A resin HO FM-11 model was recently available from Ed Rethwischm and Jerry Hamsmith .

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Keene via groups.io <bill41@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:04 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] What Is This Flatcar Load?
 
Thank you for the ID on the load.

What I would like to know is … where can I find a model of this flat car? Or any info at all?

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:59 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Folks,

I was pretty sure that these were not generators because of the additional equipment and the nature of the trailer. I asked over on the 1-87Military Modelers group and Jim Eager replied:

”Those are AN/MPQ-4 mortar fire finder radar units.  The TM for them is 11-5840-208-10. The power generator and other auxiliary equipment for them would have been on a separate trailer.”

To translate, these are small radar units used to locate the source of incoming enemy mortar fire and direct counter-battery fire to suppress them.  Neat!

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

What Is This Flatcar Load?
This is a photo from  Marty McGuirk's Central Vermont Railway blog:
Can anyone identify the load? Perhaps military generators as suggested by Marty?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA




Re: Swift Tank Car

al_brown03
 

There's an end shot of SWTX 7949 (or maybe 7940) in Canfield, "Erie Lackawanna in Color, vol 5", p 96.

AL B.


Re: What Is This Flatcar Load?

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Bill,

Have you considered Chad Boaz's kits? He has some neat stuff nobody else has done. They are pretty basic bodies and underframes, to which you add the details. I have a couple waiting to build and I think they are pretty nice.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:39 PM Bill Keene via groups.io <bill41=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bruce,

Thank You. I need a few flat cars and this one looks like a good candidate.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Sep 10, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Bill,

The car is CB&Q 91243, an FM-11/11A class car. The reason that Marty's blog had the prototype photo was that he was building a model. 


A resin HO FM-11 model was recently available from Ed Rethwischm and Jerry Hamsmith .

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Keene via groups.io <bill41@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:04 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] What Is This Flatcar Load?
 
Thank you for the ID on the load.

What I would like to know is … where can I find a model of this flat car? Or any info at all?

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:59 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Folks,

I was pretty sure that these were not generators because of the additional equipment and the nature of the trailer. I asked over on the 1-87Military Modelers group and Jim Eager replied:

”Those are AN/MPQ-4 mortar fire finder radar units.  The TM for them is 11-5840-208-10. The power generator and other auxiliary equipment for them would have been on a separate trailer.”

To translate, these are small radar units used to locate the source of incoming enemy mortar fire and direct counter-battery fire to suppress them.  Neat!

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

What Is This Flatcar Load?
This is a photo from  Marty McGuirk's Central Vermont Railway blog:
Can anyone identify the load? Perhaps military generators as suggested by Marty?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA




Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 515355 (1912)

Dave Parker
 

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 02:29 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
It took railroads a decade to upgrade or replace equipment to meet the MCB requirements that fulfill the 1911 amendment to the Safety Appliances Act.
Eric:

I think you need to go back and read the history of the 1911 SAA amendments.  These were not the stuff of MCB Standard and Recommended Practices, but rather Federal laws adopted by Congress on April 14, 1910 .  Here's one snippet from the official passage of the act:



The ICC (not the MCB) was charged with developing the details of the required appliances, it was put on a deadline (with a threat of penalty), and the fines to be charged the railroads (by the ICC) for noncompliance are spelled out at this time.

I don't tend to collect photos from the teens, but the ones that I do all show the SAA hardware if the photo can be dated to 1911+.  All the photos I have without the required ladders, etc. date to 1910 or before.

It would take some compelling photographic evidence to convince me that there were non-compliant cars in interchange in 1920 (or, perhaps, even in 1912).

With best regards.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Swift Tank Car

Tony Thompson
 

Bruce Smith wrote:

The photo is circa 1910. These are early "tank on flatcar" types of tank cars with end braces instead of center anchors. Likely most, if not all, were out of service in a just a few more years.

   True as far as it goes, but I feel impelled to expand a little. After about 1875, tank cars were NOT just tanks on flat cars, but had frames that would not be suitable for flat cars (though they often certainly looked that way). Bruce is essentially right about appearance, but not about construction.
     Cars with head blocks instead of center anchors remained in service for decades after 1910, though none were being built that way.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 515355 (1912)

akerboomk
 

RE: Sullivan County

Yes, that was a B&M leased line, along the Connecticut River.

 

Can anyone discern the #?  Looks like “5x5” to me.

 

If 525, then this series (sorry for lack of data…)

            https://www.bmrrhs.org/box_sc500_series/

 

If 575, then these cars:

            https://www.bmrrhs.org/box_sc540_series/

 

Ken A.


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: What Is This Flatcar Load?

Marty McGuirk
 

I’d received the ID of the load after I’d posted the photo on my blog. Obviously I forgot to update the post!
My car is a Sunshine Models kit that was one of the registration door prizes Martin used to provide at his Naperville meets.

Marty 

On Sep 10, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Bill,

The car is CB&Q 91243, an FM-11/11A class car. The reason that Marty's blog had the prototype photo was that he was building a model. 


A resin HO FM-11 model was recently available from Ed Rethwischm and Jerry Hamsmith .

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Keene via groups.io <bill41@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:04 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] What Is This Flatcar Load?
 
Thank you for the ID on the load.

What I would like to know is … where can I find a model of this flat car? Or any info at all?

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:59 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Folks,

I was pretty sure that these were not generators because of the additional equipment and the nature of the trailer. I asked over on the 1-87Military Modelers group and Jim Eager replied:

”Those are AN/MPQ-4 mortar fire finder radar units.  The TM for them is 11-5840-208-10. The power generator and other auxiliary equipment for them would have been on a separate trailer.”

To translate, these are small radar units used to locate the source of incoming enemy mortar fire and direct counter-battery fire to suppress them.  Neat!

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

What Is This Flatcar Load?
This is a photo from  Marty McGuirk's Central Vermont Railway blog:
Can anyone identify the load? Perhaps military generators as suggested by Marty?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



Re: What Is This Flatcar Load?

Bill Keene
 

Bruce,

Thank You. I need a few flat cars and this one looks like a good candidate.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Sep 10, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Bill,

The car is CB&Q 91243, an FM-11/11A class car. The reason that Marty's blog had the prototype photo was that he was building a model. 


A resin HO FM-11 model was recently available from Ed Rethwischm and Jerry Hamsmith .

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Keene via groups.io <bill41@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:04 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] What Is This Flatcar Load?
 
Thank you for the ID on the load.

What I would like to know is … where can I find a model of this flat car? Or any info at all?

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:59 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Folks,

I was pretty sure that these were not generators because of the additional equipment and the nature of the trailer. I asked over on the 1-87Military Modelers group and Jim Eager replied:

”Those are AN/MPQ-4 mortar fire finder radar units.  The TM for them is 11-5840-208-10. The power generator and other auxiliary equipment for them would have been on a separate trailer.”

To translate, these are small radar units used to locate the source of incoming enemy mortar fire and direct counter-battery fire to suppress them.  Neat!

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

What Is This Flatcar Load?
This is a photo from  Marty McGuirk's Central Vermont Railway blog:
Can anyone identify the load? Perhaps military generators as suggested by Marty?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA




Re: What Is This Flatcar Load?

Bruce Smith
 

Bill,

The car is CB&Q 91243, an FM-11/11A class car. The reason that Marty's blog had the prototype photo was that he was building a model. 


A resin HO FM-11 model was recently available from Ed Rethwischm and Jerry Hamsmith .

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Keene via groups.io <bill41@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:04 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] What Is This Flatcar Load?
 
Thank you for the ID on the load.

What I would like to know is … where can I find a model of this flat car? Or any info at all?

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:59 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Folks,

I was pretty sure that these were not generators because of the additional equipment and the nature of the trailer. I asked over on the 1-87Military Modelers group and Jim Eager replied:

”Those are AN/MPQ-4 mortar fire finder radar units.  The TM for them is 11-5840-208-10. The power generator and other auxiliary equipment for them would have been on a separate trailer.”

To translate, these are small radar units used to locate the source of incoming enemy mortar fire and direct counter-battery fire to suppress them.  Neat!

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

What Is This Flatcar Load?
This is a photo from  Marty McGuirk's Central Vermont Railway blog:
Can anyone identify the load? Perhaps military generators as suggested by Marty?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



Re: What Is This Flatcar Load?

Bill Keene
 

This is good news. Any chance of there being a model in HO scale?

Thanks,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Sep 10, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi Bill,
 
Model Power makes a plastic model of this car in N scale.
 
I don't know if they paint/letter it for CB&Q though...
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] What Is This Flatcar Load?

Thank you for the ID on the load.

What I would like to know is … where can I find a model of this flat car? Or any info at all?

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:59 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Folks, 

I was pretty sure that these were not generators because of the additional equipment and the nature of the trailer. I asked over on the 1-87Military Modelers group and Jim Eager replied: 

”Those are AN/MPQ-4 mortar fire finder radar units.  The TM for them is 11-5840-208-10. The power generator and other auxiliary equipment for them would have been on a separate trailer.”

To translate, these are small radar units used to locate the source of incoming enemy mortar fire and direct counter-battery fire to suppress them.  Neat!

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

What Is This Flatcar Load?
This is a photo from  Marty McGuirk's Central Vermont Railway blog:
Can anyone identify the load? Perhaps military generators as suggested by Marty?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



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