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Re: Image of PMcK&Y 63449 hopper at coal mine

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Oops, wrong link!
 
Try the link below...
 
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 5:05 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Image of PMcK&Y 63449 hopper at coal mine

Hi List Members,
 
Image of PMcK&Y 63449 hopper at coal mine
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Image of PMcK&Y 63449 hopper at coal mine

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Image of PMcK&Y 63449 hopper at coal mine
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Photo: Loading Coal Into Boxcars? (1914)

Josh
 

Regarding the "widget" - 

The Standard Coal Company operated in Spring Canyon northwest of Helper. The company town there was named Standardville, an experiment in standardized and sanitary construction with all buildings built to the same concrete and ceramic block design.

The coal tipple likewise being thoroughly groundbreaking was equipped with several options for loading: standard chutes for gondolas and open hopper, door chutes for boxcars, and a massive mechanical contraption called the Ottumwa Boxcar Loader. Ottumwa produced more typical conveyor belts for loading cars, but this device was much more elaborate. The boxcars were spotted on a rocker, which would lift them up on one end so that coal could be poured inside. Then appropriate bulkheads were placed and the car was flipped on end to the other side to be filled. The widget is the coupler post that locked onto the car and held it in place while it went on its seesaw ride.


Re: Photo: Loading Coal Into Boxcars? (1914)

Mont Switzer
 

Alex,

 

Back when I was a kid (era addressed in this group) you could purchase bagged coal from Consumers Coal and Ice, in New Castle, IN.   This was available 24/7 thanks to a vending machine built into the front of the business.  You could get bagged ice that way also.  Bring lots of quarters; no bill changers.

 

Consumers was served by the NYC line running between Indianapolis and Springfield, OH.  Coal bags were paper, but I'm not sure where the bags were filled.  Your post has given me an idea as to how that came about.

 

I wonder if some of the "lake coal" was used to make charcoal.  Lots of that moved (and probably still does) from MN in paper bags for consumer use in small patio grills.

 

Mont Switzer   


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Alex Huff [dsrc512@...]
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:41 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Coal Into Boxcars? (1914)

In 1985 I was asked by a hardware store owner whether it was still possible to receive bagged coal in boxcars.  The market was home heating.  I didn't know and made calls to find out.  The answer was, "Not any more."  I did learn that back in the era covered by this list, it was common.  I talked to a company in Duluth which had bought coal by the ore boat load and had a bagging line.  "We finally scrapped that machinery a couple of years ago."  Boxcar grain from the prairies was trans-shipped into boats at Duluth.  Some of the boxcars returned to the prairies loaded with bagged coal bought by grain elevators who also sold coal.  I don't know what the percentage of loads both ways was.
Alex Huff, retired South Dakota railroader & S scale modeler             


Re: RY Models O Scale C&WC 1800-1944

Rich Yoder
 

Hi Eric,

 So here is the background on the C&WC Ventilated cars and box cars.

The C&WC was controlled by the ACL beginning in 1897. As a subsidiary  It was the ACLs’ primary route to access the L&N – which ran to Chicago.  Reading history on the ACL you’ll find this information. Most of my information comes  from “Lines South” Editor Larry Goosby and an excellent book commissioned by the ACL - SAL  in 1967 written by Glenn Hoffman  Titled  “A History of the Atlantic Coast Line Railroad Company” and edited by Richard E. Bussard of CSX. The Complete manuscript for the book was found on a shelf in the CSX Headquarters some 25 years after it was written. Its un clear why it hadn’t been published. It’s an exceptional read.

When it came to car building, The ACL used the shops of 13 various railroads it absorbed over the early years. Having researched the O-17 type ventilated car and the nonventilated cars built back in the day, I wondered why the O-17 cars survived so long after WWII.

I came to realize the loading and un-loading facilities for water melons and other perishable crops were built around the length of the older cars. Many of the O-17 cars were rebuilt following WW II and the end of the Atlantic Coast Dispatch. ( A fast perishable Freight service agreement with the Pennsylvania RR & The Atlantic Coast line)

 Being run as a subsidiary  of the ACL The C&WC vents/boxcars are the C&WC O-13 vents which are the equivalent to the ACL O-17 ventilated cars.  I have only seen photos of the C&WC O-13 vents dating from the 30s to 60s.  I do not know if the C&WC cars were painted and lettered for the ACD or if any were rebuilt.   Still looking for evidence. 

 Early ORERs from the teens & twenties show the C&WC possessed vents that predated the O-13/O-17 design - suspect they were the equivalent of the ACL O-7/O-8 vents or possibly the O-9/O-10 vents.  It has been a while since I made the comparison of the C&WC cars with ACL counterparts.  I would need to revisit to verify the classes.  We also need pre 1929 photos to verify the paint scheme. (Yes, I’m still looking for photographs)

 The C&WC also had an O-18 class which was the boxcar version of the O-13/O-17 and lacked the ventilated door and end ventilators. They were divided into two groups home road cars and others that traveled off the system. Again, I’m still interested in finding more photos. I didn’t come across an ACL version of the C&WC O-18 class boxcar.

Rich Yoder

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Lombard
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 2:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] RY Models O Scale C&WC 1800-1944

 

Hello Everyone

This nice O-scale brass model is no longer in production (and it looks like RY Models is no longer in business). Perhaps by a stroke of good fortune someone might have paper work from an original box that gives some information about the history of the cars in series C&WC 1800-1944 and is willing to share a scan? Thanks in advance. 

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL


Re: An image of SFRD 9220

ROGER HINMAN
 

ACF Lot 6056, 1000 cars blt 1910

Roger Hinman


On Sep 11, 2020, at 8:35 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
An image of SFRD 9220, a reefer with trussrod construction and Bohn patent ventilators, class Rr-R
 
No date given
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: L&N boom and tool car 42296

Horton Monroe
 

That’s a clean job, Dick.

Horton Monroe

On Sep 11, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Dick,

Nice work!  What gets coupled to the “a” end?


Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith            
Auburn, AL
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Sep 11, 2020, at 8:25 AM, Richard Scott <rlscott5709@...> wrote:

Here's a photo of my most recent pandemic project, an O-scale model of L&N boom and tool car 42296.  I built it from a vintage Train-Craft Products kit, with many modifications and some added details.  I painted it with Polly Scale acrylics, and lettered it with Champ decals.


I have other photos of my steam-era freight cars in "Dick Scott's models," currently on the first page of our photo section.


Dick Scott
<L&N 42296.JPG>



Re: What Is This Flatcar Load?

Jerry Hamsmith
 

Bill and all –
 
The car in question is a CB&Q FM-11/-11A.  850 cars were built by the railroad in 1928 through 1930.  The cars were 45 feet long and many lasted in revenue service through the merger.  Also, a number of cars were converted for use in TOFC service beginning in 1953.
 
Ed Rethwisch and I have created and sell HO scale resin kits for this car.  If you have any interest in acquiring a kit, please contact me, OFF LIST, at hammersr at aol dot com
 
Jerry Hamsmith


Re: SAL single sheathed series 13001-13500 and 13501-13965

golden1014
 

Hi Eric,

SAL 13000-series were the B-4 class cars.  My information shows there were 1,000 cars delivered in two lots: 13001-13500 delivered from Pressed Steel, Baltimore in April 1929, and 13501-13999 also from Pressed Steel delivered in August.  I acknowledge the series stops in the ORER at 13965.

A large number of these former B-4 cars were rebuilt to maintenance of way cars in the 1940s and 1950s.  I've counted at least 19 different maintenance cars were originally B-4 box cars.  Many of those cars were re-sheathed with plywood--but AFTER they were rebuilt for maintenance.  Also, at least 100 cars were rebuilt into R-4 wood racks in the late 1940s.

To your question: I have run across no evidence that any B-4s were rebuilt with steel sheathing.

A small number of B-3 class cars (12000-12999) were rebuilt with steel sheet inside the trusses by 1940.  Most of the B-3s were rebuilt into wood racks, stock cars, and maintenance cars.  Over 1,200 of the 2,000 B-5s were rebuilt with steel sheathing in at least three different variations...but that wasn't your question of course.

I have lots of images, but nothing showing a steel-sheathed B-4.

John Golden


Photo HPRL Reefer 363 With Vinegar Load (1906)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo HPRL Reefer 363 With Vinegar Load (1906)

A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh Collection:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A20170417-hpichswp-0024

Click on the photo and then scroll to enlarge it.

Photo editing software will bring out the detail.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: HJH Co. 486 Heinz "Mustard" Reefer (1906)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: HJH Co. 486 Heinz "Mustard" Reefer (1906)

A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh Collection:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A20170417-hpichswp-0025

Click on the photo and then scroll to enlarge it.

Photo editing software will bring out the detail.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Books for sale

Steve SANDIFER
 

I have the attached list of books for sale from a closed hobby shop. If interested contact me off list at steve.sandifer@....


Re: Photo: Loading Coal Into Boxcars? (1914)

Alex Huff
 

In 1985 I was asked by a hardware store owner whether it was still possible to receive bagged coal in boxcars.  The market was home heating.  I didn't know and made calls to find out.  The answer was, "Not any more."  I did learn that back in the era covered by this list, it was common.  I talked to a company in Duluth which had bought coal by the ore boat load and had a bagging line.  "We finally scrapped that machinery a couple of years ago."  Boxcar grain from the prairies was trans-shipped into boats at Duluth.  Some of the boxcars returned to the prairies loaded with bagged coal bought by grain elevators who also sold coal.  I don't know what the percentage of loads both ways was.
Alex Huff, retired South Dakota railroader & S scale modeler             


Re: Photo: Loading Coal Into Boxcars? (1914)

akerboomk
 

What is the “widget” coming up from the roadbed in front of D&RG 65054 (car at right)?

Something to couple to the car to prevent it from moving?

 

Ken A.


--
Ken Akerboom


Tangent New GATC 10,000 Gallon 1917-Design Tank Cars

Andy Carlson
 

Thanks, Doug, that worked!
Do well,
-Andy Carlson

On Sunday, September 13, 2020, 8:44:19 PM PDT, Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:


Andy look under “other stuff” at the top of the page. There you will find a contact link.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Tangent New GATC 10,000 Gallon 1917-Design Tank Cars

Douglas Harding
 

Andy look under “other stuff” at the top of the page. There you will find a contact link.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy Carlson
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 10:52 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Tangent New GATC 10,000 Gallon 1917-Design Tank Cars

 

Dave-

I am contacting the whole list as I can not find a "contact Tangent Models" on your web site. I also cannot locate the info for the RTR black GATC 1917 10K gallon tank car.

 

Could you please help me (a computer challenged person) place this order?

Thanks,

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 

On Sunday, September 13, 2020, 7:15:41 PM PDT, Tangent Scale Models via groups.io <tangentscalemodels@...> wrote:

 

 

Tangent Scale Models is proud to introduce our next production of General American 10,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Cars.  As a reminder, this is the first plastic radial course tank offered in HO plastic!  (Radial course means the tank’s steel panels overlap each other, looking like “stairsteps”).

 

By the end of World War I, U.S. production of oil and oil-related products was sharply increasing thanks to the combination of war-related demands as well as demands from home.  In order to move oil and new consumer products, tank car producers introduced new car designs.  In 1917 General American Tank Car introduced a new general service 10,000 gallon non-insulated tank car.  Built in East Chicago, IN, these cars were easily identifiable by their circumferential rivets that surrounded the tank body, with notably different heights between the courses.  These “radial course” tank cars utilized steel bolster plates that rise up vertically to hold the tank in place, complete with a “web” section behind to minimize steel consumption.  At a time of fairly monochromatic box cars plying the rails, most consumable products and oil shippers proudly displayed their company markings on the tanks.  This car design was no exception, with Sinclair being a dominant purchaser of tank cars of this type.  Additionally, many smaller oil shippers had fleets of these cars during the oil boom years.  Finally, as many oil businesses failed, the cars ended up back with GATC and were restenciled with new owner markings and were placed back into service for a new owner.  Between Sinclair, Sunburst Refining, and other schemes, think of this as one of the first “crude oil” tank cars of consequence.  Forget boring present day tanks.  These cars were the most prolific tank cars built during the first tank car building boom, and were found everywhere from 1917 to 1970. 

 

The Tangent Scale Models GATC 1917-Design 10,000 Gallon General Service Tank Car is a highly-detailed tank car model that includes details accurate for each paint scheme, including KC- or AB-brake variations, with or without Cardwell draft sill springs, and different hand brakes.  Other visually-distinctive details for our models include the “see through” bolster section, circumferential rivets, and differing course heights.  Our RTR models include correct “true-to-life” colors and “hyper-accurate” lettering including exact fonts and lettering placement.  Finally, our scale replicas operate as well as they look, equipped with free-rolling all-metal wheels and Kadee® scale couplers, meaning our models are truly ready to run.  

           

Our new ready to operate replicas are in stock and available for sale NOW.  That’s right, no preorders!  Check them out at www.tangentscalemodels.com

 

These replicas will certainly be eye-catchers on your layout!  Check out the radial courses – they look like nothing else in HO!  Our September 2020 release includes the following three RTR paint schemes:

 

- GATX "Sunburst Great Falls MT" 1920+ is our offering in this production for the early steam-era modelers out there.  This car is leased to Sunburst Refining Company for shipping of refined oil products nationwide from Great Falls, Montana.  Sunburst Refining likely tapped the Kevin-Sunburst oil field in North-Central Montana, which was developed right after World War I.  These cars are stenciled for Sunburst’s headquarters city of Great Falls, Montana, which was served by both Great Northern and Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul, and Pacific (“The Milwaukee”), and feature a black-painted carbody with typical GATX graphics from the post-WWI period.  Check out the fine stencilized lettering detail on this car!  Our Sunburst Refining Company 1920+ replicas come with era-correct K-brakes and they are available in four different road numbers.

 

- SRDX "Sinclair" 1947+ with beautiful “SINCLAIR” graphics on the side of the black carbody, with the small “REF’D OIL” stenciling to indicate the commodity hauled in these tank cars.  Sinclair tank cars were nationwide roamers for sure, and our model has the accurate silver color stenciling for Sinclair’s GATC fleet of 1917-Design tank cars.  Based upon the small brake stencil and tank psi test lettering, this car is accurately stenciled for service in 1947 and onward.  The car’s other lettering shows a 1920 car build date.  The expansion dome has the typical Sinclair silver “dot” stencil on it.  These cars are complete with an era-appropriate AB-brake system, matching the photo on the Tangent site, which displays a well-worn car in 1957.  Don’t forget, Sinclair had the largest shipper-owned tank car fleet in North America in 1950, with virtually all of them having large billboard lettering, so don’t miss out!  Our Sinclair tank cars were first released in 2018, and they sold out faster than we intended, so today we are offering these cars again but with six all new numbers!

 

- ACDX "Allied Chemical" 1964+ is a prototype repaint scheme that was applied in 1964 and represents an offering for the 1960s modelers out there.  The prototype photo on our website shows this car in service in 1968 on the east coast.  This scheme wears the red and white Allied Chemical logo that is nicely applied to the rounded contours of the tank.  The car stenciling includes separate stencil instances for “Chemicals” and “Plastics Division.”  As always, this scheme comes directly from a prototype car photo that matches our model.  Our Allied Chemical 1964+ cars come with era-correct AB-brakes and are available in two road numbers.

 

- Undecorated RTR Black cars are ready for decaling!  This production includes RTR cars with the AB brake system.  Our last production included cars with K-brakes.

 

- Undecorated Unpainted Kits are available as well.  When folks claim that “no one” makes kits anymore, well, here they are.  These are ready for building or kitbashing, and painting / decaling.  Great for those who desire to build their own.  This run of kits come with parts for either an AB- or a K-brake configuration.

 

Features for these awesome replicas include:

- Circumferential riveted tank body and riveted underframe (count ‘em, there are many!)

- Radial course tank body – note the “stairstep” appearance!

- All-new underframe for the GATC 1917-design

- “See-through” cast knee above the bolsters

- Accurate dome appliances

- Dimensionally-correct hazardous placards with accurate hole detail

- Separately applied tank handrail

- Separately applied tank strap detail

- KC- or AB- brake variations depending on the prototype car

- Inclusion of Cardwell draft sill springs depending on the prototype car, otherwise “oval” frame openings where the springs were removed

- Different hand brake appliance options depending on the prototype car

- Highly correct “true to life” colors

- “Hyper-Accurate” lettering including exact fonts and lettering placement, including lettering applied to the underframe and air reservoir

- Durable wire grab irons and coupler lift bars

- Separate air hoses

- “Near-scale” draft gear box with side detail

- Kadee® “scale-head” couplers

- CNC-machined 33” wheels in high-quality Tangent Scale Models ASF cast steel truck with spring plank and with separate brake beams

- Replacement semi-scale wheels available separately from Tangent

- Multiple road numbers for each scheme - these cars often traveled in "groups" of more than one

- Recommended age 14 years and older

 

Don’t miss out on the Tangent Scale Models General American 10,000 gallon 1917-design radial course tank car!  Just like its prototype, this car will stand out on any layout situated from 1917 to approximately 1970, and they went everywhere!

 

Pricing for RTR models is $44.95.  High-resolution images showing these fine replicas are available at www.tangentscalemodels.com  and our site also includes prototype images for your reference as well.

 

That wraps up our update for today, and thank you for supporting the family-owned businesses in our industry! 

 

David Lehlbach


Tangent New GATC 10,000 Gallon 1917-Design Tank Cars

Andy Carlson
 

Dave-
I am contacting the whole list as I can not find a "contact Tangent Models" on your web site. I also cannot locate the info for the RTR black GATC 1917 10K gallon tank car.

Could you please help me (a computer challenged person) place this order?
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Sunday, September 13, 2020, 7:15:41 PM PDT, Tangent Scale Models via groups.io <tangentscalemodels@...> wrote:


Tangent Scale Models is proud to introduce our next production of General American 10,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Cars.  As a reminder, this is the first plastic radial course tank offered in HO plastic!  (Radial course means the tank’s steel panels overlap each other, looking like “stairsteps”).

 

By the end of World War I, U.S. production of oil and oil-related products was sharply increasing thanks to the combination of war-related demands as well as demands from home.  In order to move oil and new consumer products, tank car producers introduced new car designs.  In 1917 General American Tank Car introduced a new general service 10,000 gallon non-insulated tank car.  Built in East Chicago, IN, these cars were easily identifiable by their circumferential rivets that surrounded the tank body, with notably different heights between the courses.  These “radial course” tank cars utilized steel bolster plates that rise up vertically to hold the tank in place, complete with a “web” section behind to minimize steel consumption.  At a time of fairly monochromatic box cars plying the rails, most consumable products and oil shippers proudly displayed their company markings on the tanks.  This car design was no exception, with Sinclair being a dominant purchaser of tank cars of this type.  Additionally, many smaller oil shippers had fleets of these cars during the oil boom years.  Finally, as many oil businesses failed, the cars ended up back with GATC and were restenciled with new owner markings and were placed back into service for a new owner.  Between Sinclair, Sunburst Refining, and other schemes, think of this as one of the first “crude oil” tank cars of consequence.  Forget boring present day tanks.  These cars were the most prolific tank cars built during the first tank car building boom, and were found everywhere from 1917 to 1970. 

 

The Tangent Scale Models GATC 1917-Design 10,000 Gallon General Service Tank Car is a highly-detailed tank car model that includes details accurate for each paint scheme, including KC- or AB-brake variations, with or without Cardwell draft sill springs, and different hand brakes.  Other visually-distinctive details for our models include the “see through” bolster section, circumferential rivets, and differing course heights.  Our RTR models include correct “true-to-life” colors and “hyper-accurate” lettering including exact fonts and lettering placement.  Finally, our scale replicas operate as well as they look, equipped with free-rolling all-metal wheels and Kadee® scale couplers, meaning our models are truly ready to run.  

           

Our new ready to operate replicas are in stock and available for sale NOW.  That’s right, no preorders!  Check them out at www.tangentscalemodels.com

 

These replicas will certainly be eye-catchers on your layout!  Check out the radial courses – they look like nothing else in HO!  Our September 2020 release includes the following three RTR paint schemes:

 

- GATX "Sunburst Great Falls MT" 1920+ is our offering in this production for the early steam-era modelers out there.  This car is leased to Sunburst Refining Company for shipping of refined oil products nationwide from Great Falls, Montana.  Sunburst Refining likely tapped the Kevin-Sunburst oil field in North-Central Montana, which was developed right after World War I.  These cars are stenciled for Sunburst’s headquarters city of Great Falls, Montana, which was served by both Great Northern and Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul, and Pacific (“The Milwaukee”), and feature a black-painted carbody with typical GATX graphics from the post-WWI period.  Check out the fine stencilized lettering detail on this car!  Our Sunburst Refining Company 1920+ replicas come with era-correct K-brakes and they are available in four different road numbers.

 

- SRDX "Sinclair" 1947+ with beautiful “SINCLAIR” graphics on the side of the black carbody, with the small “REF’D OIL” stenciling to indicate the commodity hauled in these tank cars.  Sinclair tank cars were nationwide roamers for sure, and our model has the accurate silver color stenciling for Sinclair’s GATC fleet of 1917-Design tank cars.  Based upon the small brake stencil and tank psi test lettering, this car is accurately stenciled for service in 1947 and onward.  The car’s other lettering shows a 1920 car build date.  The expansion dome has the typical Sinclair silver “dot” stencil on it.  These cars are complete with an era-appropriate AB-brake system, matching the photo on the Tangent site, which displays a well-worn car in 1957.  Don’t forget, Sinclair had the largest shipper-owned tank car fleet in North America in 1950, with virtually all of them having large billboard lettering, so don’t miss out!  Our Sinclair tank cars were first released in 2018, and they sold out faster than we intended, so today we are offering these cars again but with six all new numbers!

 

- ACDX "Allied Chemical" 1964+ is a prototype repaint scheme that was applied in 1964 and represents an offering for the 1960s modelers out there.  The prototype photo on our website shows this car in service in 1968 on the east coast.  This scheme wears the red and white Allied Chemical logo that is nicely applied to the rounded contours of the tank.  The car stenciling includes separate stencil instances for “Chemicals” and “Plastics Division.”  As always, this scheme comes directly from a prototype car photo that matches our model.  Our Allied Chemical 1964+ cars come with era-correct AB-brakes and are available in two road numbers.

 

- Undecorated RTR Black cars are ready for decaling!  This production includes RTR cars with the AB brake system.  Our last production included cars with K-brakes.

 

- Undecorated Unpainted Kits are available as well.  When folks claim that “no one” makes kits anymore, well, here they are.  These are ready for building or kitbashing, and painting / decaling.  Great for those who desire to build their own.  This run of kits come with parts for either an AB- or a K-brake configuration.

 

Features for these awesome replicas include:

- Circumferential riveted tank body and riveted underframe (count ‘em, there are many!)

- Radial course tank body – note the “stairstep” appearance!

- All-new underframe for the GATC 1917-design

- “See-through” cast knee above the bolsters

- Accurate dome appliances

- Dimensionally-correct hazardous placards with accurate hole detail

- Separately applied tank handrail

- Separately applied tank strap detail

- KC- or AB- brake variations depending on the prototype car

- Inclusion of Cardwell draft sill springs depending on the prototype car, otherwise “oval” frame openings where the springs were removed

- Different hand brake appliance options depending on the prototype car

- Highly correct “true to life” colors

- “Hyper-Accurate” lettering including exact fonts and lettering placement, including lettering applied to the underframe and air reservoir

- Durable wire grab irons and coupler lift bars

- Separate air hoses

- “Near-scale” draft gear box with side detail

- Kadee® “scale-head” couplers

- CNC-machined 33” wheels in high-quality Tangent Scale Models ASF cast steel truck with spring plank and with separate brake beams

- Replacement semi-scale wheels available separately from Tangent

- Multiple road numbers for each scheme - these cars often traveled in "groups" of more than one

- Recommended age 14 years and older

 

Don’t miss out on the Tangent Scale Models General American 10,000 gallon 1917-design radial course tank car!  Just like its prototype, this car will stand out on any layout situated from 1917 to approximately 1970, and they went everywhere!

 

Pricing for RTR models is $44.95.  High-resolution images showing these fine replicas are available at www.tangentscalemodels.com  and our site also includes prototype images for your reference as well.

 

That wraps up our update for today, and thank you for supporting the family-owned businesses in our industry! 

 

David Lehlbach


Tangent New GATC 10,000 Gallon 1917-Design Tank Cars

Tangent Scale Models
 

Tangent Scale Models is proud to introduce our next production of General American 10,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Cars.  As a reminder, this is the first plastic radial course tank offered in HO plastic!  (Radial course means the tank’s steel panels overlap each other, looking like “stairsteps”).

 

By the end of World War I, U.S. production of oil and oil-related products was sharply increasing thanks to the combination of war-related demands as well as demands from home.  In order to move oil and new consumer products, tank car producers introduced new car designs.  In 1917 General American Tank Car introduced a new general service 10,000 gallon non-insulated tank car.  Built in East Chicago, IN, these cars were easily identifiable by their circumferential rivets that surrounded the tank body, with notably different heights between the courses.  These “radial course” tank cars utilized steel bolster plates that rise up vertically to hold the tank in place, complete with a “web” section behind to minimize steel consumption.  At a time of fairly monochromatic box cars plying the rails, most consumable products and oil shippers proudly displayed their company markings on the tanks.  This car design was no exception, with Sinclair being a dominant purchaser of tank cars of this type.  Additionally, many smaller oil shippers had fleets of these cars during the oil boom years.  Finally, as many oil businesses failed, the cars ended up back with GATC and were restenciled with new owner markings and were placed back into service for a new owner.  Between Sinclair, Sunburst Refining, and other schemes, think of this as one of the first “crude oil” tank cars of consequence.  Forget boring present day tanks.  These cars were the most prolific tank cars built during the first tank car building boom, and were found everywhere from 1917 to 1970. 

 

The Tangent Scale Models GATC 1917-Design 10,000 Gallon General Service Tank Car is a highly-detailed tank car model that includes details accurate for each paint scheme, including KC- or AB-brake variations, with or without Cardwell draft sill springs, and different hand brakes.  Other visually-distinctive details for our models include the “see through” bolster section, circumferential rivets, and differing course heights.  Our RTR models include correct “true-to-life” colors and “hyper-accurate” lettering including exact fonts and lettering placement.  Finally, our scale replicas operate as well as they look, equipped with free-rolling all-metal wheels and Kadee® scale couplers, meaning our models are truly ready to run.  

           

Our new ready to operate replicas are in stock and available for sale NOW.  That’s right, no preorders!  Check them out at www.tangentscalemodels.com

 

These replicas will certainly be eye-catchers on your layout!  Check out the radial courses – they look like nothing else in HO!  Our September 2020 release includes the following three RTR paint schemes:

 

- GATX "Sunburst Great Falls MT" 1920+ is our offering in this production for the early steam-era modelers out there.  This car is leased to Sunburst Refining Company for shipping of refined oil products nationwide from Great Falls, Montana.  Sunburst Refining likely tapped the Kevin-Sunburst oil field in North-Central Montana, which was developed right after World War I.  These cars are stenciled for Sunburst’s headquarters city of Great Falls, Montana, which was served by both Great Northern and Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul, and Pacific (“The Milwaukee”), and feature a black-painted carbody with typical GATX graphics from the post-WWI period.  Check out the fine stencilized lettering detail on this car!  Our Sunburst Refining Company 1920+ replicas come with era-correct K-brakes and they are available in four different road numbers.

 

- SRDX "Sinclair" 1947+ with beautiful “SINCLAIR” graphics on the side of the black carbody, with the small “REF’D OIL” stenciling to indicate the commodity hauled in these tank cars.  Sinclair tank cars were nationwide roamers for sure, and our model has the accurate silver color stenciling for Sinclair’s GATC fleet of 1917-Design tank cars.  Based upon the small brake stencil and tank psi test lettering, this car is accurately stenciled for service in 1947 and onward.  The car’s other lettering shows a 1920 car build date.  The expansion dome has the typical Sinclair silver “dot” stencil on it.  These cars are complete with an era-appropriate AB-brake system, matching the photo on the Tangent site, which displays a well-worn car in 1957.  Don’t forget, Sinclair had the largest shipper-owned tank car fleet in North America in 1950, with virtually all of them having large billboard lettering, so don’t miss out!  Our Sinclair tank cars were first released in 2018, and they sold out faster than we intended, so today we are offering these cars again but with six all new numbers!

 

- ACDX "Allied Chemical" 1964+ is a prototype repaint scheme that was applied in 1964 and represents an offering for the 1960s modelers out there.  The prototype photo on our website shows this car in service in 1968 on the east coast.  This scheme wears the red and white Allied Chemical logo that is nicely applied to the rounded contours of the tank.  The car stenciling includes separate stencil instances for “Chemicals” and “Plastics Division.”  As always, this scheme comes directly from a prototype car photo that matches our model.  Our Allied Chemical 1964+ cars come with era-correct AB-brakes and are available in two road numbers.

 

- Undecorated RTR Black cars are ready for decaling!  This production includes RTR cars with the AB brake system.  Our last production included cars with K-brakes.

 

- Undecorated Unpainted Kits are available as well.  When folks claim that “no one” makes kits anymore, well, here they are.  These are ready for building or kitbashing, and painting / decaling.  Great for those who desire to build their own.  This run of kits come with parts for either an AB- or a K-brake configuration.

 

Features for these awesome replicas include:

- Circumferential riveted tank body and riveted underframe (count ‘em, there are many!)

- Radial course tank body – note the “stairstep” appearance!

- All-new underframe for the GATC 1917-design

- “See-through” cast knee above the bolsters

- Accurate dome appliances

- Dimensionally-correct hazardous placards with accurate hole detail

- Separately applied tank handrail

- Separately applied tank strap detail

- KC- or AB- brake variations depending on the prototype car

- Inclusion of Cardwell draft sill springs depending on the prototype car, otherwise “oval” frame openings where the springs were removed

- Different hand brake appliance options depending on the prototype car

- Highly correct “true to life” colors

- “Hyper-Accurate” lettering including exact fonts and lettering placement, including lettering applied to the underframe and air reservoir

- Durable wire grab irons and coupler lift bars

- Separate air hoses

- “Near-scale” draft gear box with side detail

- Kadee® “scale-head” couplers

- CNC-machined 33” wheels in high-quality Tangent Scale Models ASF cast steel truck with spring plank and with separate brake beams

- Replacement semi-scale wheels available separately from Tangent

- Multiple road numbers for each scheme - these cars often traveled in "groups" of more than one

- Recommended age 14 years and older

 

Don’t miss out on the Tangent Scale Models General American 10,000 gallon 1917-design radial course tank car!  Just like its prototype, this car will stand out on any layout situated from 1917 to approximately 1970, and they went everywhere!

 

Pricing for RTR models is $44.95.  High-resolution images showing these fine replicas are available at www.tangentscalemodels.com  and our site also includes prototype images for your reference as well.

 

That wraps up our update for today, and thank you for supporting the family-owned businesses in our industry! 

 

David Lehlbach


Re: Photo: Loading Coal Into Boxcars? (1914)

Douglas Harding
 

Notice the “grain doors” on the middle boxcar.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 12:42 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Coal Into Boxcars? (1914)

 

Photo: Loading Coal Into Boxcars? (1914)

A photo from the Utah State Historical Society:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s68k7j8q

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Standard Coal Company in Utah.

There appears to be a loading chute going into the boxcar on the right.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: RY Models O Scale C&WC 1800-1944

Eric Lombard
 

Rob, thanks for the tip! I’ll call him on Monday. 

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 2:02 PM Rob M. via groups.io <rule292=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Erik,


Rich is indeed still in business. He has a phone number on the web site and that is current as he called me yesterday.


Rob Mondichak 







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