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Image of B&O 532495/431735/430677 hoppers at coal mine

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Image of B&O 532495/431735/430677 hoppers at coal mine. B&O 430677 appears to be a class W-2B hopper.
 
 
Enjoy!
 
CLaus Schlund
 


Image of C&O 41461 steel gon at coal mine in 1944

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Image of C&O 41461 steel gon at coal mine in 1944
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


Image of several N&W hoppers at coal mine

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Image of several N&W hoppers at coal mine, undated
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


Image of B&O 420966 hopper (end view) at coal mine

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Image of B&O 420966 hopper (end view) at coal mine, undated.
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


Image of M 10177 (Montour RR) 40-ton steel gon at coal mine

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Image of M 10177 (Montour RR) 40-ton steel gon at coal mine. No date given, but the car has a 1-32 reweigh date.
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


Image of B&O 430716 hopper at coal mine

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Image of B&O 430716 hopper at coal mine
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


Re: Image of PMcK&Y 63449 hopper at coal mine

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Oops, wrong link!
 
Try the link below...
 
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
To: STMFC
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 5:05 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Image of PMcK&Y 63449 hopper at coal mine

Hi List Members,
 
Image of PMcK&Y 63449 hopper at coal mine
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Image of PMcK&Y 63449 hopper at coal mine

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Image of PMcK&Y 63449 hopper at coal mine
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Photo: Loading Coal Into Boxcars? (1914)

Josh
 

Regarding the "widget" - 

The Standard Coal Company operated in Spring Canyon northwest of Helper. The company town there was named Standardville, an experiment in standardized and sanitary construction with all buildings built to the same concrete and ceramic block design.

The coal tipple likewise being thoroughly groundbreaking was equipped with several options for loading: standard chutes for gondolas and open hopper, door chutes for boxcars, and a massive mechanical contraption called the Ottumwa Boxcar Loader. Ottumwa produced more typical conveyor belts for loading cars, but this device was much more elaborate. The boxcars were spotted on a rocker, which would lift them up on one end so that coal could be poured inside. Then appropriate bulkheads were placed and the car was flipped on end to the other side to be filled. The widget is the coupler post that locked onto the car and held it in place while it went on its seesaw ride.


Re: Photo: Loading Coal Into Boxcars? (1914)

Mont Switzer
 

Alex,

 

Back when I was a kid (era addressed in this group) you could purchase bagged coal from Consumers Coal and Ice, in New Castle, IN.   This was available 24/7 thanks to a vending machine built into the front of the business.  You could get bagged ice that way also.  Bring lots of quarters; no bill changers.

 

Consumers was served by the NYC line running between Indianapolis and Springfield, OH.  Coal bags were paper, but I'm not sure where the bags were filled.  Your post has given me an idea as to how that came about.

 

I wonder if some of the "lake coal" was used to make charcoal.  Lots of that moved (and probably still does) from MN in paper bags for consumer use in small patio grills.

 

Mont Switzer   


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Alex Huff [dsrc512@...]
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:41 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Coal Into Boxcars? (1914)

In 1985 I was asked by a hardware store owner whether it was still possible to receive bagged coal in boxcars.  The market was home heating.  I didn't know and made calls to find out.  The answer was, "Not any more."  I did learn that back in the era covered by this list, it was common.  I talked to a company in Duluth which had bought coal by the ore boat load and had a bagging line.  "We finally scrapped that machinery a couple of years ago."  Boxcar grain from the prairies was trans-shipped into boats at Duluth.  Some of the boxcars returned to the prairies loaded with bagged coal bought by grain elevators who also sold coal.  I don't know what the percentage of loads both ways was.
Alex Huff, retired South Dakota railroader & S scale modeler             


Re: RY Models O Scale C&WC 1800-1944

Rich Yoder
 

Hi Eric,

 So here is the background on the C&WC Ventilated cars and box cars.

The C&WC was controlled by the ACL beginning in 1897. As a subsidiary  It was the ACLs’ primary route to access the L&N – which ran to Chicago.  Reading history on the ACL you’ll find this information. Most of my information comes  from “Lines South” Editor Larry Goosby and an excellent book commissioned by the ACL - SAL  in 1967 written by Glenn Hoffman  Titled  “A History of the Atlantic Coast Line Railroad Company” and edited by Richard E. Bussard of CSX. The Complete manuscript for the book was found on a shelf in the CSX Headquarters some 25 years after it was written. Its un clear why it hadn’t been published. It’s an exceptional read.

When it came to car building, The ACL used the shops of 13 various railroads it absorbed over the early years. Having researched the O-17 type ventilated car and the nonventilated cars built back in the day, I wondered why the O-17 cars survived so long after WWII.

I came to realize the loading and un-loading facilities for water melons and other perishable crops were built around the length of the older cars. Many of the O-17 cars were rebuilt following WW II and the end of the Atlantic Coast Dispatch. ( A fast perishable Freight service agreement with the Pennsylvania RR & The Atlantic Coast line)

 Being run as a subsidiary  of the ACL The C&WC vents/boxcars are the C&WC O-13 vents which are the equivalent to the ACL O-17 ventilated cars.  I have only seen photos of the C&WC O-13 vents dating from the 30s to 60s.  I do not know if the C&WC cars were painted and lettered for the ACD or if any were rebuilt.   Still looking for evidence. 

 Early ORERs from the teens & twenties show the C&WC possessed vents that predated the O-13/O-17 design - suspect they were the equivalent of the ACL O-7/O-8 vents or possibly the O-9/O-10 vents.  It has been a while since I made the comparison of the C&WC cars with ACL counterparts.  I would need to revisit to verify the classes.  We also need pre 1929 photos to verify the paint scheme. (Yes, I’m still looking for photographs)

 The C&WC also had an O-18 class which was the boxcar version of the O-13/O-17 and lacked the ventilated door and end ventilators. They were divided into two groups home road cars and others that traveled off the system. Again, I’m still interested in finding more photos. I didn’t come across an ACL version of the C&WC O-18 class boxcar.

Rich Yoder

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Lombard
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 2:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] RY Models O Scale C&WC 1800-1944

 

Hello Everyone

This nice O-scale brass model is no longer in production (and it looks like RY Models is no longer in business). Perhaps by a stroke of good fortune someone might have paper work from an original box that gives some information about the history of the cars in series C&WC 1800-1944 and is willing to share a scan? Thanks in advance. 

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL


Re: An image of SFRD 9220

ROGER HINMAN
 

ACF Lot 6056, 1000 cars blt 1910

Roger Hinman


On Sep 11, 2020, at 8:35 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
An image of SFRD 9220, a reefer with trussrod construction and Bohn patent ventilators, class Rr-R
 
No date given
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: L&N boom and tool car 42296

Horton Monroe
 

That’s a clean job, Dick.

Horton Monroe

On Sep 11, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Dick,

Nice work!  What gets coupled to the “a” end?


Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith            
Auburn, AL
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Sep 11, 2020, at 8:25 AM, Richard Scott <rlscott5709@...> wrote:

Here's a photo of my most recent pandemic project, an O-scale model of L&N boom and tool car 42296.  I built it from a vintage Train-Craft Products kit, with many modifications and some added details.  I painted it with Polly Scale acrylics, and lettered it with Champ decals.


I have other photos of my steam-era freight cars in "Dick Scott's models," currently on the first page of our photo section.


Dick Scott
<L&N 42296.JPG>



Re: What Is This Flatcar Load?

Jerry Hamsmith
 

Bill and all –
 
The car in question is a CB&Q FM-11/-11A.  850 cars were built by the railroad in 1928 through 1930.  The cars were 45 feet long and many lasted in revenue service through the merger.  Also, a number of cars were converted for use in TOFC service beginning in 1953.
 
Ed Rethwisch and I have created and sell HO scale resin kits for this car.  If you have any interest in acquiring a kit, please contact me, OFF LIST, at hammersr at aol dot com
 
Jerry Hamsmith


Re: SAL single sheathed series 13001-13500 and 13501-13965

golden1014
 

Hi Eric,

SAL 13000-series were the B-4 class cars.  My information shows there were 1,000 cars delivered in two lots: 13001-13500 delivered from Pressed Steel, Baltimore in April 1929, and 13501-13999 also from Pressed Steel delivered in August.  I acknowledge the series stops in the ORER at 13965.

A large number of these former B-4 cars were rebuilt to maintenance of way cars in the 1940s and 1950s.  I've counted at least 19 different maintenance cars were originally B-4 box cars.  Many of those cars were re-sheathed with plywood--but AFTER they were rebuilt for maintenance.  Also, at least 100 cars were rebuilt into R-4 wood racks in the late 1940s.

To your question: I have run across no evidence that any B-4s were rebuilt with steel sheathing.

A small number of B-3 class cars (12000-12999) were rebuilt with steel sheet inside the trusses by 1940.  Most of the B-3s were rebuilt into wood racks, stock cars, and maintenance cars.  Over 1,200 of the 2,000 B-5s were rebuilt with steel sheathing in at least three different variations...but that wasn't your question of course.

I have lots of images, but nothing showing a steel-sheathed B-4.

John Golden


Photo HPRL Reefer 363 With Vinegar Load (1906)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo HPRL Reefer 363 With Vinegar Load (1906)

A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh Collection:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A20170417-hpichswp-0024

Click on the photo and then scroll to enlarge it.

Photo editing software will bring out the detail.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: HJH Co. 486 Heinz "Mustard" Reefer (1906)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: HJH Co. 486 Heinz "Mustard" Reefer (1906)

A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh Collection:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A20170417-hpichswp-0025

Click on the photo and then scroll to enlarge it.

Photo editing software will bring out the detail.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Books for sale

Steve SANDIFER
 

I have the attached list of books for sale from a closed hobby shop. If interested contact me off list at steve.sandifer@....


Re: Photo: Loading Coal Into Boxcars? (1914)

Alex Huff
 

In 1985 I was asked by a hardware store owner whether it was still possible to receive bagged coal in boxcars.  The market was home heating.  I didn't know and made calls to find out.  The answer was, "Not any more."  I did learn that back in the era covered by this list, it was common.  I talked to a company in Duluth which had bought coal by the ore boat load and had a bagging line.  "We finally scrapped that machinery a couple of years ago."  Boxcar grain from the prairies was trans-shipped into boats at Duluth.  Some of the boxcars returned to the prairies loaded with bagged coal bought by grain elevators who also sold coal.  I don't know what the percentage of loads both ways was.
Alex Huff, retired South Dakota railroader & S scale modeler             


Re: Photo: Loading Coal Into Boxcars? (1914)

akerboomk
 

What is the “widget” coming up from the roadbed in front of D&RG 65054 (car at right)?

Something to couple to the car to prevent it from moving?

 

Ken A.


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