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Photo: Wabash Mather Boxcar 19290 (1910)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Wabash Mather Boxcar 19290 (1910)

A photo from the Detroit Public Library:

https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A172723

Click and hold to enlarge photo.

Interesting Mather logo.

Caption:

View of several workmen loading wooden crate into railroad car at Michigan Steel Boat Company. "From Michigan Steel Boat Co., Detroit, Mich." painted on crate. "Mather car" painted on railroad car. Handwritten on back: "Companies--Michigan Steel Boat Co., 1910."

Another view, but blurry:

https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A172497

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: White Star Tank Cars (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: White Star Tank Cars (Undated)

A photo from the Detroit Public Library:

https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A168060

Click and hold to enlarge photo.

Caption:

View of cylindrical freight cars on railroad tracks behind chain link fence in front of unidentified refinery. Sign on cars: "Staroline gasoline is better; White Star Refining Co. quality products." Railroad tracks in foreground; factory smokestacks and storage tanks in background. Stamped on back: "Manning Bros., commercial photographers, 504-505 Lincoln building, corner State and Park Sts., Detroit, Mich."

More White Star tank cars:

https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A168054

https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A168687

And WSRX 110:

https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A168398

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: PRR Flatcar 426837 With Load (1931)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Flatcar 426837 With Load (1931)

A photo from the Detroit Public Library:

https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A230879

Click and hold to enlarge photo.

Caption:

View of switching equipment shipment on railroad cars at the Springwells Station treatment plant during construction, Detroit water supply system. Printed on front: "City of Detroit. Department of Water Supply. Division of Engineering. Shipment of switching equipment for temporary switch house from Westinghouse Elect. & Mfg. Co. Springwells Station, spec. PS-110. 4-7-31." Stamped on back: "Manning Bros., commercial photographers. 504-505 Lincoln Building. Corner State and Park Sts., Detroit, Mich."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Modelling options - Accurail 4300 series - CB&Q 15000-16499 series?

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks Charlie - since I have removed the roof on a couple of cars, adding a radial roof sounds like an option.  I could use the MP number series to get up to speed on the cars.

Rob

On Sep 18, 2020, at 6:27 AM, Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:

Rob
Mopac used radial roofs on their SS cars so the Accurail car isn’t good for MP.   Speedwitch makes a MKT set for a SS yellow boxcar that’s very well done. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: What car is this on the Rio Grande?

Mark Hemphill
 

D&RGW "Cookie Box" insulated boxcars constructed under AFE #3927 in 1955 were painted white. All other Cookie Box cars were painted silver. At least two Cookie Box cars from AFE #5557 in 1961 received black ends instead of silver ends. There were in total 77 Cookie Box cars constructed in four AFEs between 1956 and 1961. All were built from PSC 40' 12-panel straight side cars. Seventy-four of the 77 total Cookie Box cars were pre-war with 4/5 Dreadnought ends and 7-rung ladders, three were post-war with 4/4 Improved Dreadnaught ends and 8-rung laddersThere are at least four different types of running boards on the cars converted to Cookie Box cars; 44 of them were wood; 23 Tri-Lock, 3 USG, 3 Blaw-Know, 1 unknown.

The car in the photo does not appear to be a Cookie Box. It appears to have a partially tabbed side sill and the D&RGW PSC boxcars built into Cookie Box cars have straight side sills. It has a black end and the only Cookie Box cars known to have black ends were not constructed until 1961, five years after this photograph was taken.

Mark Hemphill


Re: News regarding long-time list member Dr. Denny Anspach

SamClarke
 

In the past Denny came up to medford. OR  for different things and he’d come out to Kadee to visit and we’d have lunch together and he’d become a good friend.

 

God bless him, as we continually pray for him.

 

 

 

Sam Clarke

R&D / Tech Advisor / Artist

Kadee Quality Products Co.

mail@...

541-826-3883

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Image of PMcK&Y 63449 hopper at coal mine

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

My friends and I have been discussing the Harrisburg trove, and agree a lot of this smacks of Pittsburgh traffic, specifically Monongahela Division.  These cars, in those mixes, showed up in Pgh frequently, in the bituminous and steel trade, and that mix is so familiar it gave us all déjà vu.

 

B&O was a frequent visitor to West Virginia, one big conduit being the jointly-owned Monongahela Railway, with PRR and P&LE.

 

P,McK&Y was a big owner of hoppers as well that served the mines in the Monongahela Valley, and it was only in the fifties that most of their reporting marks disappeared into the P&LE fold.  That is a fabulous pic!

 

Thanks for all this guys, it has been an interesting week!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Wallace Steinbrecher
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 5:18 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Image of PMcK&Y 63449 hopper at coal mine

 

But it was a great shot of some B&O hoppers!

 

Wallace Steinbrecher

 

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 4:16 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Oops, wrong link!

 

Try the link below...

 

 

Claus Schlund

 

----- Original Message -----

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Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 5:05 PM

Subject: [RealSTMFC] Image of PMcK&Y 63449 hopper at coal mine

 

Hi List Members,

 

Image of PMcK&Y 63449 hopper at coal mine

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: Modelling options - Accurail 4300 series - CB&Q 15000-16499 series?

Charlie Duckworth
 

Rob
Mopac used radial roofs on their SS cars so the Accurail car isn’t good for MP.   Speedwitch makes a MKT set for a SS yellow boxcar that’s very well done. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: News regarding long-time list member Dr. Denny Anspach

Paul R Greenwald
 

Ours prayers go out for Dr Denny and his family.

🙏
--
Paul R Greenwald 
PRRT&HS #1802
NMRA #129229


Modelling options - Accurail 4300 series - CB&Q 15000-16499 series?

Robert kirkham
 

A long, long time ago I remember when the Accurail kits were new, and I didn’t know much about prototype equipment.  Being a CPR modeller, I bought a passel of the them, thinking they looked like CPR cars.  I removed the ladders and installed grab iron type ladders instead, replaced the fish belly centre sills with straight sills, and fully modelled the air lines and brake rods underneath.  And then - before I got to painting - realized they were not like the CPR cars.  They went into a box.  Was that 1992 or ’93?  Wow!

Anyhow, I know I can use the cars to model CNR cars, and will do a bunch up for that road.  But I’m wondering what else they model well.  I’m happy to revise the ladders and underframes as needed.  I see two of my kits have already had the roofs filed down flat, so I guess there was a plan sometime in the last 30 years . . . but cannot recall it now.   

In message 44576, Ben Hom identifies prototype options for a number of Accurail cars.  For the 4300 cars, his suggestions include - well - an MKT car.  The DM&IR car has the steel doors, so an easy modification.  Then there are suggestions that are close but different: LNE, CB&Q, SL-SF, NP, MP. I know little about these prototypes.

In message 44624, Tony Thompson notes that the SP car is at best a stand in for the B-50-14 design. In message 110062 Gene Green notes that: "Richard Hendrickson wrote a two-part article in the February and April 1993 issues of Railmodel Journal that addressed prototypes for the Accurail 4000-4100-4200-4300-4400-4500 series single-sheathed box cars." Makes me miss Richard (and MRJ) afresh! What a legacy.  It can be found at Train Life https://trainlife.com/pages/rail-model-journal-magazine-archive

Looking at photos, the CB&Q 15000-16499 cars look interesting. But the photo caption of CB&Q 15516 is really mangled and I am not able to tell just what differences I would have to deal with. It mentions another kit for those cars (by another manufacturer) was coming to market. I assume it was a better choice for the CB&Q cars. But not clear why.

A lot has happened since those articles were written. Given I already have the kits and want to do something with them, is the CB&Q car a worthwhile project or something better tackled another way? Any additional resources one should check out before proceeding with the Q car? Are decent decals available?

Likewise, I’d be interested in knowing which cars are similar in height but need a radial roof.

And for the MKT car, what is the car series? And a good source of decals?

Rob





Re: What car is this on the Rio Grande?

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Sep 17, 2020, at 07:59, Jim Allen <jimp72@...> wrote:

Who or what is this “Silver Streak”?
Dave "Silver Streak" Bayless worked the GEMCO job in Lozangelez for a long time; he's a perennial Bay Area modeler.


Re: News regarding long-time list member Dr. Denny Anspach

Tony Thompson
 

 gary laakso wrote:

Per a post on Railway Preservation News' Interchange discussion board (http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=1), long-time list PassengerCarList member Dr. Denny Anspach, one of the founders of the California State Railroad Museum, is in hospice in Sacramento with an inoperable throat tumor.

     This is sad news, though not totally unexpected. Denny's health has not been great in recent years. But his contributions to the California State Railroad Museum are immense, and one could hardly ask for a more gigantic legacy. For me, he has been a good friend and, often, confidant and fellow striver with ancient-era HO scale freight cars. And many know his genial face from most of the Cocoa Beach meetings. He is sure going to be missed.

Tony Thompson




Re: What car is this on the Rio Grande?

Tony Thompson
 

Garth Groff  wrote:

Silver Streak was a line of wood-sided freight cars, mostly boxcars, cabooses, a few refrigerators, and a Hart convertible gondola. The cars had scribed and pre-painted plywood sides and unpainted diecast ends, underframes, brake parts and doors that were applied to a wooden core: typical construction for the 1950s when they were introduced. As was common in those days the cars were pretty generic, and didn't really represent their purported prototypes. 

    Worth observing that the older portion of the Silver Streak line, maybe a third of the kits, including the SP cupola caboose, were about 10 percent oversize, almost exactly making them OO scale, maybe hedging their bets in case OO won out over HO? Caveat Emptor.
     But many can be salvaged. Richard Hendrickson wrote a nice article for_ Prototype Modeler_  (issue for January 1986) showing how he corrected the dimensions on a WFEX reefer kit. I showed the completed model in one of my blog posts about Richard (link below if you're interested).


Tony Thompson




Re: [PassengerCarList] News regarding long-time list member Dr. Denny Anspach

 

My prayers go out to Denny and his family.

Rich Christie


Re: [PassengerCarList] News regarding long-time list member Dr. Denny Anspach

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Denny has always been pleasure to talk to and a willing to help and share information.  We pray for his comfort, healing and peace as well as for his family.

 

Steve and Barb Hile

 

From: PassengerCarList@groups.io [mailto:PassengerCarList@groups.io] On Behalf Of Fritz Milhaupt via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:01 PM
To: PassengerCarList@groups.io
Subject: [PassengerCarList] News regarding long-time list member Dr. Denny Anspach

 

[Edited Message Follows]

Per a post on Railway Preservation News' Interchange discussion board (http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=1), long-time list PassengerCarList member Dr. Denny Anspach, one of the founders of the California State Railroad Museum, is in hospice in Sacramento with an inoperable throat tumor.

In addition to having been an active participant on this list, Denny is known to many for his work as Chair of the California State Railroad Museum's Collections Committee. More than that, he worked tirelessly in shaping its development since its inception.

I'd invite those of us inclined toward prayer to include one for Denny.

- Fritz Milhaupt


Re: What car is this on the Rio Grande?

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Jim,

Silver Streak was a line of wood-sided freight cars, mostly boxcars, cabooses, a few refrigerators, and a Hart convertible gondola. The cars had scribed and pre-painted plywood sides and unpainted diecast ends, underframes, brake parts and doors that were applied to a wooden core: typical construction for the 1950s when they were introduced. As was common in those days the cars were pretty generic, and didn't really represent their purported prototypes. For example, the D&RGW "Cookie Box" they offered should have had steel sides, not wooden, and the paint was white rather than silver. The line was acquired by Walthers in the early 1970s, but was retired a few years later when they bought the Train Miniature plastic freight car line.

By the way, some of the cars I built just before the Walthers take-over were painted with Ulrich 410M, and this was specified in the instructions. This paint brand had disappeared some years before. It wasn't always easy to match the sides with Floquil.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 6:11 PM Jim Allen <jimp72@...> wrote:
Who or what is this “Silver Streak”?
--
Jim Allen
Utah


Re: What car is this on the Rio Grande?

Jim Allen
 

Who or what is this “Silver Streak”?
--
Jim Allen
Utah


Re: Image of PMcK&Y 63449 hopper at coal mine

Wallace Steinbrecher
 

But it was a great shot of some B&O hoppers!

Wallace Steinbrecher

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 4:16 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Oops, wrong link!
 
Try the link below...
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
----- Original Message -----
To: STMFC
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 5:05 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Image of PMcK&Y 63449 hopper at coal mine

Hi List Members,
 
Image of PMcK&Y 63449 hopper at coal mine
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


News regarding long-time list member Dr. Denny Anspach

gary laakso
 

From the passenger car list.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: PassengerCarList@groups.io <PassengerCarList@groups.io> On Behalf Of Fritz Milhaupt via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 12:01 PM
To: PassengerCarList@groups.io
Subject: [PassengerCarList] News regarding long-time list member Dr. Denny Anspach

 

[Edited Message Follows]

Per a post on Railway Preservation News' Interchange discussion board (http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=1), long-time list PassengerCarList member Dr. Denny Anspach, one of the founders of the California State Railroad Museum, is in hospice in Sacramento with an inoperable throat tumor.

In addition to having been an active participant on this list, Denny is known to many for his work as Chair of the California State Railroad Museum's Collections Committee. More than that, he worked tirelessly in shaping its development since its inception.

I'd invite those of us inclined toward prayer to include one for Denny.

- Fritz Milhaupt


Thanks for the help on Unit truck request

Andy Carlson
 

Thanks for all of the good (and quick) responses on my truck question. With so many made and sold I am amazed that I don't recall ever hearing of this brand of freight car truck. I am impressed on how much we can learn from this group.
Thanks all,

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

19541 - 19560 of 197075