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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] former SP resin car build

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Nice job, Tony!  Love the re-stenciling!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 2:08 PM
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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] former SP resin car build

 

I've just completed the build of a Sunshine kit for an SP Class B-50-14 box car, represented as sold to the Mexican government to join the new Ferrocarril del Pacifico. (That means I get to model a paint patch relater, based on prototype photographs!) The work was shown in three blog posts, two about model building and lastly the paint and lettering. The completed model is shown below. The final post about the project, with links to the previous posts, is at this link if you're interested.

 

 

Tony Thompson
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former SP resin car build

Tony Thompson
 

I've just completed the build of a Sunshine kit for an SP Class B-50-14 box car, represented as sold to the Mexican government to join the new Ferrocarril del Pacifico. (That means I get to model a paint patch relater, based on prototype photographs!) The work was shown in three blog posts, two about model building and lastly the paint and lettering. The completed model is shown below. The final post about the project, with links to the previous posts, is at this link if you're interested.


Tony Thompson
tony@...






Re: Central Valley Stock Car Roof Ideas

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Dennis, I had not seen a top down shot of the Cambria roof.  So CP had them as well as DT&I.  I'm going to try to make one and without drawings it will be a nod, nod Wink Wink version but I know as soon as I take it to a meet someone will say I have that drawing, you should have asked!!
If you know of a drawing let me know.
Fenton

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 10:04 AM Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:
No. The Hutchins Camber Roof is a all steel roof with rather prominent seam caps:



The CV part models what modelers have been calling the NP "circular" roof. Here's the Soo Line version:




The seam caps are tiny.

Dennis Storzek



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: Central Valley Stock Car Roof Ideas

Dennis Storzek
 

No. The Hutchins Camber Roof is a all steel roof with rather prominent seam caps:



The CV part models what modelers have been calling the NP "circular" roof. Here's the Soo Line version:




The seam caps are tiny.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Central Valley Stock Car Roof Ideas

Benjamin Hom
 

Fenton Wells asked:
"...is the Central Valley roof the Cambra steel roof?  I've been wanting to do the DT&I rebuilt boxcar that used this roof."

It is not.  The DT&I cars have fewer carlines with different profiles from the Central Valley roof.


Ben Hom


 


Re: Central Valley Stock Car Roof Ideas

O Fenton Wells
 

Dennis, is the Central Valley roof the Cambra steel roof?  I've been wanting to do the DT&I rebuilt boxcar that used this roof.
Fenton

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 8:33 PM Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 04:53 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Comments, suggestions, other possible projects (I have two of the stock car kits; sorry, but I don't want to sell them at this time).
 
Garth,
The problem is it's an excellent model of a very rare roof, which means it's easy to identify where it DOESN'T belong, which is most everywhere. The roof was patented by a Mr. Robertson, Master Car Builder for the Northern Pacific and he attempted to market it, but to my knowledge The Soo Line was the only road to buy. This is NOT a solid steel roof, but rather an outside metal roof designed to be supported by wood sheathing; in fact the details of the sheathing are the gist of the patent, the metal is only an incidental covering. The feature that gives this away are the cast clasps at the end of the seam caps, which were attached by screws to a wood fascia. The NP used this roof on numerous classes of box, stock, and refrigerator cars. The Soo used it on four groups of their distinctive "sawtooth" boxcars, and ten milk cars that look like express reefers. That's it. It doesn't really belong on any all steel car; too early.

Dennis Storzek
 



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Another color image: Sacramento museum HO WP 1916 built 40' SS box car

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Andy and Friends,

Is the stripped car WP 75895, the car CSRM restored and displayed outside the museum, or is it another survivor? I know it would be neat to have an example of one of the original 1916 boxcars, but the stock car was equally significant.

Attached are photos of 75895 (I think!) as I found it in West Sacramento on the SN about 1977 while awaiting movement to the CSRM, and later as it was displayed. The double-sheathed boxcar is SN 2350, which also went to the CSRM.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 11:19 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
Sacramento has a stripped of wood slats stock car. This stock car was built by the WP from rebuilt donor box cars of this subject.
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I toyed with making a burned out HO car with one of these resin ends. This is my 1st attempt.

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-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Another color image: Sacramento museum HO WP 1916 built 40' SS box car

Andy Carlson
 

Sacramento has a stripped of wood slats stock car. This stock car was built by the WP from rebuilt donor box cars of this subject.
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I toyed with making a burned out HO car with one of these resin ends. This is my 1st attempt.

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-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
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Re: Another color image: HO WP 1916 built 40' SS box car resin parts

Randy Hees
 

We have one of these, believed to be 2711 (as a work car) at Nevada State Railroad Museum, Boulder City... ours is believed to be last used as a rider car in the Elko wreck train... as such the end have been moved inward 2' or so creating platforms... windows were cut into the sides, and a water tank was added... Later it went to the tourist railroad at Heber Ut where the upper sheeting was cut away, making it a tourist rider car.   We acquired it in a "lot" of equipment in 1993... and it has sat until this year.  This year we have cleaned it up, replaced the arch bar trucks it was on when received with a set of cast steel caboose trucks, serviced and tested the brakes... It has a couple of burnt bearings which need to be rebabitted then it will return to service on our railroad.

Randy Hees


SOLD: HO WP 1916 built 40' SS box car resin parts

Andy Carlson
 

These two casting sets for the WP 40' SS box cars has been sold. Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA






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Re: AB Brake Set

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Thanks Todd And Andy:

I have always used Cal Scale brass castings for my AB brakes.  Looking at the4se I may save myself some drilling and soldering time.

Next to identify some doors and ends.

Bill Pardie




On Sep 23, 2020, at 3:49 PM, Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...> wrote:

Could be Grandt Line, more likely Detail Associates, I think.  Hang on to them, as they are the best AB sets you can find.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Using Pledge (Future)

Jim Betz
 

  OK, I have to admit my "dirty little secret".  I don't consider it important - at all - to
use any kind of "prep" for decals.  I float my decals on using just distilled water.
Then I wick off the extra.  Then I apply Solvaset and wick it off (using small pieces
of tissue held in tweezers).  Let it dry (mostly).  Reapply more Solvaset and wick
off the extra.  Let it dry (again - mostly).  Use a pin to prick the surface of the
decal (round headed sewing pin).  Reapply Solvaset and wick.  Let it dry.
And "done".  Let it dry - FULLY.  Use pure - distilled - water to clean up any
residue from the Solvaset.  Really DONE.  Yes, I use the same process for
all decal brands.
  Your methods may vary.  Mine work for me.  
                                                                                                       - Jim


Re: AB Brake Set

Todd Sullivan
 

Could be Grandt Line, more likely Detail Associates, I think.  Hang on to them, as they are the best AB sets you can find.

Todd Sullivan


Re: GN 50 footer

Rich C
 

Great looking car, Clark
Rich Christie


AB Brake Set

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


I was going through my “clutter” today and came up with a packed of AB brake sets.  They include three housings and all other components except for the brake wheels/. I believe they are Grandt line but can anyone confirm this and identify the three brake housings?

Thanks:

Bill Pardie


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Re: Central Valley Stock Car Roof Ideas

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 04:53 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Comments, suggestions, other possible projects (I have two of the stock car kits; sorry, but I don't want to sell them at this time).
 
Garth,
The problem is it's an excellent model of a very rare roof, which means it's easy to identify where it DOESN'T belong, which is most everywhere. The roof was patented by a Mr. Robertson, Master Car Builder for the Northern Pacific and he attempted to market it, but to my knowledge The Soo Line was the only road to buy. This is NOT a solid steel roof, but rather an outside metal roof designed to be supported by wood sheathing; in fact the details of the sheathing are the gist of the patent, the metal is only an incidental covering. The feature that gives this away are the cast clasps at the end of the seam caps, which were attached by screws to a wood fascia. The NP used this roof on numerous classes of box, stock, and refrigerator cars. The Soo used it on four groups of their distinctive "sawtooth" boxcars, and ten milk cars that look like express reefers. That's it. It doesn't really belong on any all steel car; too early.

Dennis Storzek
 


Re: Another color image: HO WP 1916 built 40' SS box car resin parts

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Eric, 

No Pullman, WP 15001-16000. A few hung on into the 1960s, mostly in plaster service out of Gerlach, Nevada, as series 26001-26125. Many were converted to stock cars, MW service, and the WP's famous single-sheathed cupola and bay-window cabooses. None are known to survive in original condition, but a mess of the cabooses are still around in preservation, on tourist railroads, and in use as vacation cabins.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 7:34 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
Were these Bettendorf-built cars?


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Sep 23, 2020, at 6:21 PM, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:





Hello-

I have been preparing a return to offering a select few resin HO box cars. The tooling for this HO box car was made over 20 years ago.

I have enough parts for two of these WP box cars.



I accept checks or money orders. With a small fee I accept PayPal.

Contact me at <midcentury@...> of list please.


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Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Central Valley Stock Car Roof Ideas

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

I've been toying with some parts and unfinished kits in my stash this evening. I have little use for the Central Valley NP stock car kit, but have been examining the arched roof for possible use on other projects. The roof is rather wide at its extreme overhang, but the distance of 9 scale feet over the two ridges that project down into the car body is very close to the width on Red Caboose or Intermountain roofs AAR roofs I have in my stash. The stock car kits ends are a very close match in width to the ends on the F&C 1932 steel boxcar. I'm thinking the stock car roof might work for one of the C&O ARA boxcars that had radial roofs. The overhang might be trimmed back, or I could slice it down the middle and after some file work put the pieces back together. New ribs I suppose, but that's not all that difficult.

And what to do with the rest of the stock car? Well, it might get me chased off this group, but I might be able to drop an Intermountain roof onto the stock car body to make a freelanced car for my Virginia Midland. 

Comments, suggestions, other possible projects (I have two of the stock car kits; sorry, but I don't want to sell them at this time).

As if I don't have enough unfinished projects.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Another color image: HO WP 1916 built 40' SS box car resin parts

Eric Hansmann
 

Were these Bettendorf-built cars?


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Sep 23, 2020, at 6:21 PM, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:





Hello-

I have been preparing a return to offering a select few resin HO box cars. The tooling for this HO box car was made over 20 years ago.

I have enough parts for two of these WP box cars.



I accept checks or money orders. With a small fee I accept PayPal.

Contact me at <midcentury@...> of list please.


<Screen Shot 2020-09-23 at 3.54.10 PM.png>

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Another color image: HO WP 1916 built 40' SS box car resin parts

Andy Carlson
 





Hello-

I have been preparing a return to offering a select few resin HO box cars. The tooling for this HO box car was made over 20 years ago.

I have enough parts for two of these WP box cars.



I accept checks or money orders. With a small fee I accept PayPal.

Contact me at <midcentury@...> of list please.


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Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

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