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Re: Question about weathering

naptownprr
 

I think you mean anecdote unless the beer was poisoned!


Jim  Hunter


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I didn’t include Rule G in my private rulebook, but it’s there in my Employee Rulebook. I’m sure Rule G didn’t apply in business cars, based upon an antidote about Ralph Budd and James Hill. James was having an earnest disagreement with Ralph about some aspect of railroad business when the steward brought them a tray of Budweiser. Hill quipped, “Ah, Anheuser-Busch to make Budd wiser”.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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David Burnett wrote:



are you thinking of non model railroad usage?

 

Auxiliary use only. <g>

 

Tony Thompson

 

 


Re: Question about weathering

Nelson Moyer
 

I didn’t include Rule G in my private rulebook, but it’s there in my Employee Rulebook. I’m sure Rule G didn’t apply in business cars, based upon an antidote about Ralph Budd and James Hill. James was having an earnest disagreement with Ralph about some aspect of railroad business when the steward brought them a tray of Budweiser. Hill quipped, “Ah, Anheuser-Busch to make Budd wiser”.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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David Burnett wrote:



are you thinking of non model railroad usage?

 

Auxiliary use only. <g>

 

Tony Thompson

 

 


Re: F&C B&M XM1

Paul Doggett
 

Clark 

The fingerprint is the most important thing 😁😁😷 a nice looking build.

Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 25 Sep 2020, at 20:49, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:


Jason Klocke came up with a photo of one of these cars with the old door on either the DCI or FtDDM&S, don’t remember which? He picked up this flat kit off eBay cheap. The kit came with the KD #5s and sprung trucks. I traded labor for merchandise and built this model as part of the bargain. Spent a couple hours three afternoons to finish. I put a coat of primer (and a finger print) on it before putting it in the box.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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Re: ATSF FT-I and FT-J cross-section

Jake Schaible
 

Ironically, I'm working on the AT&SF FT-J as we speak too... but in N scale. 

You may find this helpful, PJ Student's article re the FT-J (and the Ft-O&P) in HO.  http://magazine.trainlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/ptm_197804.pdf starting on pg 16.
On pg 17, he states the side sill web plates (what Student call the fishbelly) are "inset 16" from the edge of the deck side sill."  No word on spacing of other bellies.  

Incidentally, would love to see other drawing or images of the FT-J.  (So far KSHS has not replied to my request to see their's listed on line here https://www.kshs.org/archives/67594.)

All I have to work with is the grainy Cyril Durrenberger image of the Wt-J in this Student article, but it seems to materially differ from the Student version beyond what he mentions, in that it seems to have 5 subfloor braces that pierce the side sill web plates and extend to flush with the deck side sills - perhaps 3 center as I beam-ish (center and other 2 at the point of the fish belly bend) and the two towards the ends being c or box channels? 

Also, interested in the width of the exposed side sill web plates, not given in the Student article, except as the width of the fishbelly, based on the dimensions of the Train-Miniature donor car, plus scabs he used to join the deck.  

Other that this drawing online of an Ft-Ia (apparently same as Ft-18?)  I can't help much here I've not researched it - but very interested as that is also on my to do list!  http://old.atsfrr.org/resources/zebrowski/folio/ft-pdf/ft-i.pdf

-Jake Schaible

 


WP CONVEERTED CABOOSE

WILLIAM PARDIE
 






Here is a shot of the converted box car WP caboose.  It is a Westside model and I picked it up finished at a train show. That is until I compared it with a prototype photo and noticed how inboard the trucks were placed too far inboard.  I got the model out this morning and held the under frame from Andy’s WP box car up against it.
I can see how to correct it but I have too many other projects on the pallet right now.

Bill Pardie


Re: Question about weathering

Tony Thompson
 

David Burnett wrote:

are you thinking of non model railroad usage?

Auxiliary use only. <g>

Tony Thompson




Re: F&C B&M XM1

Benjamin Hom
 

Clark Propst wrote:
"Jason Klocke came up with a photo of one of these cars with the old door on either the DCI or FtDDM&S, don’t remember which?"

Here's a Jim Sands photo of a car that went to the FDDM&S with a Youngstown door:


Ben Hom


Re: ATSF FT-I and FT-J cross-section

Steve SANDIFER
 

Richard says, “These cars had four fishbelly sills, with the outer sills approximately parallel with the wheel treads.”

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

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I'm looking for a cross-section of ATSF FT-I and FT-J flat cars to see how the 4 fish-belly sills were spaced.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR


Re: Question about weathering

David Burnett
 

Tony,

are you thinking of non model railroad usage?

DSB.
David S. Burnett


On Friday, September 25, 2020, 10:54:34 AM PDT, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Rob Manley wrote:

As long as you are using Pan Pastels, you can use them as washes. Apply to the model and with a stiff bristle artist oil brush or alcohol moistened Q-Tip, and manipulate the color on the model.

     I have experimented with using alcohol this way and it does a nice job.

 Gin or Vodka works as well.

      Don't have any that would surplus for this kind of use.  <g>

Tony Thompson




F&C B&M XM1

Clark Propst
 

Jason Klocke came up with a photo of one of these cars with the old door on either the DCI or FtDDM&S, don’t remember which? He picked up this flat kit off eBay cheap. The kit came with the KD #5s and sprung trucks. I traded labor for merchandise and built this model as part of the bargain. Spent a couple hours three afternoons to finish. I put a coat of primer (and a finger print) on it before putting it in the box.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939)

vapeurchapelon
 

Many thanks, Bruce!
 
Of course there isn't a brass model of these (otherwise I probably would know or even already have it :-))
Though 750 cars is a small series for a railroad empire like PRR, in my eyes it's enough to justify one in a freight train and not to be viewed as too "odd-ball".
 
Thanks again
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
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Johannes,
 
With respect to the X23 fleet the X23B is a bit of an "oddball" with only around 750 or so being converted with what was essentially an X31 roof. 
 
I am not aware of any brass models of this car, and one of the issues with kitbashing it is that, as you may notice from the photo, these cars mostly had their side sheathing converted from vertical to horizontal, with the concurrent deletion of the intermediate braces. 
 
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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What a beautyful car! Would love to have a (brass) model of it. How many were built, and for how long were they used?
 
Many thanks and greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
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Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939)

Photos from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_11778?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=19b1adcfdf21984ad3ff&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=4&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=7

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_11777?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=19b1adcfdf21984ad3ff&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=4&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=15

Caption says this is an X23b.

Click on photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Question about weathering

Tony Thompson
 

Rob Manley wrote:

As long as you are using Pan Pastels, you can use them as washes. Apply to the model and with a stiff bristle artist oil brush or alcohol moistened Q-Tip, and manipulate the color on the model.

     I have experimented with using alcohol this way and it does a nice job.

 Gin or Vodka works as well.

      Don't have any that would surplus for this kind of use.  <g>

Tony Thompson




Re: Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939)

Bruce Smith
 

Johannes,

With respect to the X23 fleet the X23B is a bit of an "oddball" with only around 750 or so being converted with what was essentially an X31 roof. 

I am not aware of any brass models of this car, and one of the issues with kitbashing it is that, as you may notice from the photo, these cars mostly had their side sheathing converted from vertical to horizontal, with the concurrent deletion of the intermediate braces. 

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939)
 
What a beautyful car! Would love to have a (brass) model of it. How many were built, and for how long were they used?
 
Many thanks and greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
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Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939)

Photos from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_11778?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=19b1adcfdf21984ad3ff&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=4&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=7

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_11777?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=19b1adcfdf21984ad3ff&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=4&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=15

Caption says this is an X23b.

Click on photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: PRR Automobile Boxcar 500860 (1913)

Eric Hansmann
 

Those data plaques did not last long in service.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

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Photo: PRR Automobile Boxcar 500860 (1913)

A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_ME02062A?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=7825b8881faaed455cdd&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=8&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=11

Click on photo to enlarge it.

End doors. X24.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: former SP resin car build

Tony Thompson
 

That’s an excellent build and very nicely weathered.
Thanks, Paul. Tony


Re: Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939)

vapeurchapelon
 

What a beautyful car! Would love to have a (brass) model of it. How many were built, and for how long were they used?
 
Many thanks and greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
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Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939)

Photos from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_11778?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=19b1adcfdf21984ad3ff&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=4&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=7

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_11777?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=19b1adcfdf21984ad3ff&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=4&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=15

Caption says this is an X23b.

Click on photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: PRR Boxcar 501822 (1939)

Photos from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_11778?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=19b1adcfdf21984ad3ff&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=4&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=7

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_11777?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=19b1adcfdf21984ad3ff&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=4&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=15

Caption says this is an X23b.

Click on photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: PRR Automobile Boxcar 500860 (1913)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Automobile Boxcar 500860 (1913)

A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_ME02062A?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=7825b8881faaed455cdd&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=8&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=11

Click on photo to enlarge it.

End doors. X24.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Heinz "Coffin Tank" Pickle Cars

Eric Hansmann
 

Bill.

 

The 1943 ORER lists 21 pickle tank cars for HJ Heinz, but few looked exactly the same.

 

One of these cars, HJHX 43, has a 60,000 pound capacity. It might be one of the truss rod coffin-type pickle cars. These have only been produced by Westerfield Models.

 

17 other cars have a 80,000 pound capacity (70, 72, 80-84, 100, 102, 104) and were similar to the Athearn pickle tank car model with the enclosed sides.

 

The remaining cars (106, 113, 114) were all 100,000 pound capacity. I have not seen photographs of these cars. There are photos of HJHX 115, 116, and 117 in David Leider’s wonderful book, “Pickle and Vinegar Makers of the Midwest.” These cars look longer than the others. I recommend this book for details on this industry and the freight cars that were used. FYI, Leider notes there were only Heinz three pickle tank cars listed in the July 1963 ORER.

 

IIRC, Tyco or AHM produced a vinegar tank car with Heinz lettering. I do not recall a pickle tank car.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill J. via groups.io
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OK, we've all seen them, they've been produced by everyone from Tyco to Westerfield.  The question is, how late were they used?

Thanks, Bill Jolitz


Vinegar Tank Car 1641

Lester Breuer
 

Of the resin kits to be built, Sunshine Models Standard Brands, Inc. vinegar wood tank car, SBIX  1641, was the needed addition to the current freight car fleet.  Therefore, I built what I consider a complex model. If you are interested in the build of Sunshine Models vinegar tank car  including changes and addition of parts not in the kit.  Photos and writeup of the build process including paint, lettering and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:


http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 Lester Breuer

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