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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Doug,
 
Any idea on a date for the Cudahy map you attached?
 
Thanks
 
Claus Schlund
 

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Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

Old Dutch Cleanser was a trademark of the Cudahy company (Cudahy Bros of Wisconsin was a different company). And their meat reefers carried the Old Dutch Cleanser logo. Attached is a photo of a Cudahy reefer taken in Salt Lake City, where they had a plant. Cudahy’s main plant was in south Omaha. They also had plants in Kansas City, Los Angeles, San Diego, Denver, Sioux City, South St Paul, East Chicago, Jersey City. Old Dutch Cleanser Plants were located in Los Angeles, Omaha, and Toronto.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 2:02 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

 

thats a rarity, to find three "old dutch"/

cudahy in the same yard, hooked

together, unless there was a plant

close by?, always wonder if the "old

dutch"/cudahy was a foobie?

;-)

mel perry

 

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 6:18 PM George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

A much younger,  model railroad friend of mine sent me this photos.  They are on Southern Railway in Knoxville.  I didn't see a Monogram on the Southern Boxcar so I suspect before 1937.  He found them in a old grocery store near the area.  At age three I lived in the hill back of the viaduct.    George Courtney.


Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

Thomas Evans
 

So now I'm confused.
There was Cudahy Packing Company of Omaha which also made & sold Old Dutch Cleanser.
There was also Cudahy Brothers which was also a packing company in Cudahy Wis. south of Milwaukee.
Did Cudahy Brothers (Wisconsin) also have their own meat reefers?
Can anyone make all this clear?

Tom E.


Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

mel perry
 

doug:
thanks for the background, since the
cars have a different scheme, my
question is, dud cudahy ever have a
scheme, that had "old dutch" on one
side of the car, and the."cudahy" on
the other side of the car  i.e. opposite
side, as presented by certain manufactures, or was this a foobie?
thanks
mel perry


On Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 5:48 AM Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:

Old Dutch Cleanser was a trademark of the Cudahy company (Cudahy Bros of Wisconsin was a different company). And their meat reefers carried the Old Dutch Cleanser logo. Attached is a photo of a Cudahy reefer taken in Salt Lake City, where they had a plant. Cudahy’s main plant was in south Omaha. They also had plants in Kansas City, Los Angeles, San Diego, Denver, Sioux City, South St Paul, East Chicago, Jersey City. Old Dutch Cleanser Plants were located in Los Angeles, Omaha, and Toronto.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 2:02 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

 

thats a rarity, to find three "old dutch"/

cudahy in the same yard, hooked

together, unless there was a plant

close by?, always wonder if the "old

dutch"/cudahy was a foobie?

;-)

mel perry

 

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 6:18 PM George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

A much younger,  model railroad friend of mine sent me this photos.  They are on Southern Railway in Knoxville.  I didn't see a Monogram on the Southern Boxcar so I suspect before 1937.  He found them in a old grocery store near the area.  At age three I lived in the hill back of the viaduct.    George Courtney.

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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

Douglas Harding
 

Old Dutch Cleanser was a trademark of the Cudahy company (Cudahy Bros of Wisconsin was a different company). And their meat reefers carried the Old Dutch Cleanser logo. Attached is a photo of a Cudahy reefer taken in Salt Lake City, where they had a plant. Cudahy’s main plant was in south Omaha. They also had plants in Kansas City, Los Angeles, San Diego, Denver, Sioux City, South St Paul, East Chicago, Jersey City. Old Dutch Cleanser Plants were located in Los Angeles, Omaha, and Toronto.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 2:02 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

 

thats a rarity, to find three "old dutch"/

cudahy in the same yard, hooked

together, unless there was a plant

close by?, always wonder if the "old

dutch"/cudahy was a foobie?

;-)

mel perry

 

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 6:18 PM George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

A much younger,  model railroad friend of mine sent me this photos.  They are on Southern Railway in Knoxville.  I didn't see a Monogram on the Southern Boxcar so I suspect before 1937.  He found them in a old grocery store near the area.  At age three I lived in the hill back of the viaduct.    George Courtney.


Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

mel perry
 

thats a rarity, to find three "old dutch"/
cudahy in the same yard, hooked
together, unless there was a plant
close by?, always wonder if the "old
dutch"/cudahy was a foobie?
;-)
mel perry

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 6:18 PM George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
A much younger,  model railroad friend of mine sent me this photos.  They are on Southern Railway in Knoxville.  I didn't see a Monogram on the Southern Boxcar so I suspect before 1937.  He found them in a old grocery store near the area.  At age three I lived in the hill back of the viaduct.    George Courtney.


Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

Richard Townsend
 

I like the tank cars. One Texaco, two Sinclair, and a three-compartment car.


On Sep 29, 2020, at 6:57 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


George Courtney wrote:

A much younger,  model railroad friend of mine sent me this photos.  They are on Southern Railway in Knoxville.  I didn't see a Monogram on the Southern Boxcar so I suspect before 1937.  He found them in a old grocery store near the area.  

   Interesting photos! Nice to see clear images of freight cars like this. Has to be before 1937, given the billboard reefers.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: Gas Storage Tank On Boston & Maine Flat Car (1920)

Thomas Evans
 

It looks like these 60' B&M flatcars date back to at least 1901 (but probably not 1897) according to the on-line ORER/OREG's,
however they are mixed in with a number of shorter "special flat cars,' so we don't know how many there were nor their specific numbers at that time.

Tom E.


Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

Tony Thompson
 

George Courtney wrote:

A much younger,  model railroad friend of mine sent me this photos.  They are on Southern Railway in Knoxville.  I didn't see a Monogram on the Southern Boxcar so I suspect before 1937.  He found them in a old grocery store near the area.  

   Interesting photos! Nice to see clear images of freight cars like this. Has to be before 1937, given the billboard reefers.

Tony Thompson




Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

George Courtney
 

While we were very poor at the time, I actually lived in a house on the hill in the background, not inside the hill its self.  I recall a steam switcher working near here in 1946 or 1947 when Dad walked with me down to the viaduct at three or four.


George Courtney


Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

George Courtney
 

A much younger,  model railroad friend of mine sent me this photos.  They are on Southern Railway in Knoxville.  I didn't see a Monogram on the Southern Boxcar so I suspect before 1937.  He found them in a old grocery store near the area.  At age three I lived in the hill back of the viaduct.    George Courtney.


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

Tony Thompson
 

Elden Gatwood  wrote:

Can’t fault that reasoning!  Pittsburghers have always loved their Hershey bars!
Too bad we don’t have earlier and later photos of them unloading the car into a dray……
 

    Maybe delivering bulk chocolate for the Clark Bar factory (yum!) -- speaking of favorites in the 'Burgh.

Tony Thompson




Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Eric;

 

What on Gd’s green earth was Hunt’s and catsup?  I don’t recognize either of those things.  There was never anything but Heinz in our households.

 

Yes, we also loved Clark Bars (I was actually baby-sat by Candy Barr), but a Clark Bar was nothing like a Hersheys Bar, esp if you liked them with almonds!  Or, Reeses’ Cups!

 

I agree with you on all of that.  The variety of loads could be endless!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 4:28 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

Ee-gads, Man! That’s nearly as bad as saying Pittsburghers love Hunt’s catsup! A true Pittsburgher loves Clark bars! Made on the Nort Side and served by the Pennsy Fort Wayne line with a siding for freight cars.

 

As far as a load for that Hershey reefer, the company made other items beyond candy bars. Possibly there’s baker’s chocolate, chocolate powder, or other items being delivered. Since the photo shows the Try Street team yard, the items might be headed to local hotels, Duquesne University’s dining halls, a restaurant supplier in the Hill District, or even the kitchen in Allegheny County Jail. The car is here because the consignee is closer to this terminal than the Point, Strip District, North Side, or South Side team tracks.

 

Don’t forget, this might not be a whole car delivery, either.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

Where you can’t find Clark bars….

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 12:20 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

Schuyler;

 

Can’t fault that reasoning!  Pittsburghers have always loved their Hershey bars!

 

Too bad we don’t have earlier and later photos of them unloading the car into a dray……

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 12:03 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

Elden wrote:

 

Claus;

 

The obvious answer would be in iced reefers, but the presence of that Hersheys car in Pittsburgh begs the question, what was it doing THERE?

 

Well with the doors open on a team track, I’d say a load of something Hershey made was delivered.

 

I am always looking for more info on loads….

 

Aren’t we all . . .??

 

Schuyler (BTW, thanks for the responses on my question about this car)

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 10:13 AM

Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

By the way, my information indicates that these cars were not used to transport chocolate bars, but were used to transport milk in 10 gal cans to the Hershey plant from outlying farms.  Hershey was (and may still be) the largest consumer of fresh milk in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.  Hershey owned the farms and leased them to farmers who, in turn, sold all their milk to Hershey.  Hershey would inspect the farms regularly for sanitation.


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

Eric Hansmann
 

Ee-gads, Man! That’s nearly as bad as saying Pittsburghers love Hunt’s catsup! A true Pittsburgher loves Clark bars! Made on the Nort Side and served by the Pennsy Fort Wayne line with a siding for freight cars.

 

As far as a load for that Hershey reefer, the company made other items beyond candy bars. Possibly there’s baker’s chocolate, chocolate powder, or other items being delivered. Since the photo shows the Try Street team yard, the items might be headed to local hotels, Duquesne University’s dining halls, a restaurant supplier in the Hill District, or even the kitchen in Allegheny County Jail. The car is here because the consignee is closer to this terminal than the Point, Strip District, North Side, or South Side team tracks.

 

Don’t forget, this might not be a whole car delivery, either.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

Where you can’t find Clark bars….

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 12:20 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

Schuyler;

 

Can’t fault that reasoning!  Pittsburghers have always loved their Hershey bars!

 

Too bad we don’t have earlier and later photos of them unloading the car into a dray……

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 12:03 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

Elden wrote:

 

Claus;

 

The obvious answer would be in iced reefers, but the presence of that Hersheys car in Pittsburgh begs the question, what was it doing THERE?

 

Well with the doors open on a team track, I’d say a load of something Hershey made was delivered.

 

I am always looking for more info on loads….

 

Aren’t we all . . .??

 

Schuyler (BTW, thanks for the responses on my question about this car)

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 10:13 AM

Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

By the way, my information indicates that these cars were not used to transport chocolate bars, but were used to transport milk in 10 gal cans to the Hershey plant from outlying farms.  Hershey was (and may still be) the largest consumer of fresh milk in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.  Hershey owned the farms and leased them to farmers who, in turn, sold all their milk to Hershey.  Hershey would inspect the farms regularly for sanitation.


Re: Accurail 4300: CB&Q 15000-15499 or C&S 13500 series

O Fenton Wells
 

Nice looking Rob, a very interesting and very ambitious project
Fenton

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 1:27 PM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
Nearing the end of the rough work on this kitbash.  

So far, the work has included:
- removing the side and parts of the end ladders, as well as the cast on grab irons.  - shaving off the bulge plates and (marginally) relocating the diagonal straps at the corner side panels.  
- bits of .005 styrene and CA as filler were used to model the various castings and sheet metal plates at the top and bottom of the corner posts.  
- Yarmouth etched ladder rungs - the ones with the long attachment arms - were inserted to form the grab iron ladders.  I bent .008” wire for the remaining straight grabs and used pre-formed Tichy drop grabs on the end sills.  I think they are made of thicker material, but decided not to bend my own.  

I noticed some alignment differences between ladder rung spacing and the lap seam that joins the top and bottom of the 7/8 end panels.   So close inspection with photos won’t be very flattering to this model.  Also, had challenges drilling through the cast on end ladder stiles.   This is one of those places where an etch overlay with etched holes would help guide and hold the drill bit in alignment.  Hint, hint.  Once I have the model primed I’ll figure out what filling and filing is needed to hide blemishes.

I’m waiting for the roof castings to arrive from Yarmouth.  When they are on, the model will be primed and archer rivets add to complete the metal plates etc.  They are also needed on the side sills where cross ties connect.  

So far, I’ve enjoyed this project and am looking forward to completing it.

Rob



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: F&C B&M XM1

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Great info Ken. Thanks for posting it. I find it interesting that more cars were wrecked on what I have long called the Standard Scrapyard of the World than on the next two railroads on which a large number of cars were wrecked combined. No, I do not think it is because a larger amount of B&M traffic went via the Pennsy.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: F&C B&M XM1

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

With bulging sheathing boards that will drive Ted Cullota nuts after his virtual clinic last Saturday. LOL

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

 

 

 

 


Re: Accurail 4300: CB&Q 15000-15499 or C&S 13500 series

Robert kirkham
 

Nearing the end of the rough work on this kitbash.  

So far, the work has included:
- removing the side and parts of the end ladders, as well as the cast on grab irons.  - shaving off the bulge plates and (marginally) relocating the diagonal straps at the corner side panels.  
- bits of .005 styrene and CA as filler were used to model the various castings and sheet metal plates at the top and bottom of the corner posts.  
- Yarmouth etched ladder rungs - the ones with the long attachment arms - were inserted to form the grab iron ladders.  I bent .008” wire for the remaining straight grabs and used pre-formed Tichy drop grabs on the end sills.  I think they are made of thicker material, but decided not to bend my own.  

I noticed some alignment differences between ladder rung spacing and the lap seam that joins the top and bottom of the 7/8 end panels.   So close inspection with photos won’t be very flattering to this model.  Also, had challenges drilling through the cast on end ladder stiles.   This is one of those places where an etch overlay with etched holes would help guide and hold the drill bit in alignment.  Hint, hint.  Once I have the model primed I’ll figure out what filling and filing is needed to hide blemishes.

I’m waiting for the roof castings to arrive from Yarmouth.  When they are on, the model will be primed and archer rivets add to complete the metal plates etc.  They are also needed on the side sills where cross ties connect.  

So far, I’ve enjoyed this project and am looking forward to completing it.

Rob


Re: Photo: Gas Storage Tank On Boston & Maine Flat Car (1920)

akerboomk
 

I would suggest that is a Boston & Albany RR flat

(Framingham is on the B&A)


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Schuyler;

 

Can’t fault that reasoning!  Pittsburghers have always loved their Hershey bars!

 

Too bad we don’t have earlier and later photos of them unloading the car into a dray……

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 12:03 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

Elden wrote:

 

Claus;

 

The obvious answer would be in iced reefers, but the presence of that Hersheys car in Pittsburgh begs the question, what was it doing THERE?

 

Well with the doors open on a team track, I’d say a load of something Hershey made was delivered.

 

I am always looking for more info on loads….

 

Aren’t we all . . .??

 

Schuyler (BTW, thanks for the responses on my question about this car)

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 10:13 AM

Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

By the way, my information indicates that these cars were not used to transport chocolate bars, but were used to transport milk in 10 gal cans to the Hershey plant from outlying farms.  Hershey was (and may still be) the largest consumer of fresh milk in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.  Hershey owned the farms and leased them to farmers who, in turn, sold all their milk to Hershey.  Hershey would inspect the farms regularly for sanitation.


Re: Photo: Gas Storage Tank On Boston & Maine Flat Car (1920)

Dave Parker
 

We discussed this photo at some length four years ago -- see message 144771.

The B&M had 6 of these 60-ft, 30-ton flat cars in 1919.  Down to one by 6/27, gone by 7/28.

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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

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