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Re: Retractable Brake Staffs on Flat Cars - An Operational Question

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 08:17 AM, George Eichelberger wrote:
Looking at various ads in different "Car Builder’s Cyclopedias”, “drop brake shafts” work in either the upper or lower position (their shaft is square) or rotated to the vertical or horizontal positions. Unless those functions were outlawed at some point, they could be arranged to clear loads wsith no problem.
Seems to me that unless the drop staff has a detent to hold the wheel 4" above the deck, they violate the requirement for hand clearance when in the down position. Can't comment on the swinging variety, but they didn't seem to be very popular after the twenties, so must not have offered any advantage. Seems to me we went through this discussion not too long ago, in a thread about brake staffs on early piggyback flats, and Guy Wilber provided the definitive answer, but I don't have time to search for it.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Retractable Brake Staffs on Flat Cars - An Operational Question

George Eichelberger
 

Looking at various ads in different "Car Builder’s Cyclopedias”, “drop brake shafts” work in either the upper or lower position (their shaft is square) or rotated to the vertical or horizontal positions. Unless those functions were outlawed at some point, they could be arranged to clear loads wsith no problem.

Ike


Re: Retractable Brake Staffs on Flat Cars - An Operational Question

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks for your definitive answer, Dennis. You just laid this thread to rest.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 05:52 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

All of my loads so far would not interfere with or threaten the brake staffs, so I guess modeling the staff raised is acceptable. If I do a pole or lumber load, I’ll model the staff in the lowered position, assuming the prototype car had a drop-down hand brake.

Coming into this late. I would postulate that any car with a hand brake not in the position specified in the ICC safety appliance diagrams has a defect and won't move past the first inbound inspection without having it remedied. Now, the remedy may be as simple as the car men raising it to operating position, but it will be raised. If it can't be raised the shipper has a problem, because the railroad is going to charge him for shifting the load. All cars are required to have an operable hand brake, the only exception is idlers where the brake staff would interfere with the load, and those cars are required to be permanently coupled to a car with an operable hand brake. Permanently coupled in this case means either chained together or the uncoupling mechanisms made inoperative.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Retractable Brake Staffs on Flat Cars - An Operational Question

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 05:52 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:
All of my loads so far would not interfere with or threaten the brake staffs, so I guess modeling the staff raised is acceptable. If I do a pole or lumber load, I’ll model the staff in the lowered position, assuming the prototype car had a drop-down hand brake.
Coming into this late. I would postulate that any car with a hand brake not in the position specified in the ICC safety appliance diagrams has a defect and won't move past the first inbound inspection without having it remedied. Now, the remedy may be as simple as the car men raising it to operating position, but it will be raised. If it can't be raised the shipper has a problem, because the railroad is going to charge him for shifting the load. All cars are required to have an operable hand brake, the only exception is idlers where the brake staff would interfere with the load, and those cars are required to be permanently coupled to a car with an operable hand brake. Permanently coupled in this case means either chained together or the uncoupling mechanisms made inoperative.

Dennis Storzek


Video: Erie Railroad Carfloat Operations in Chicago, 1920

Bob Chaparro
 

Video: Erie Railroad Carfloat Operations in Chicago, 1920

https://youtu.be/eHCJPMATXrk

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: ADVICE FROM THE ESTEEMED GENTLEMAN OF STMFC...

Mansell Peter Hambly
 

Thank you Steve

 

Mansell

 

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From: StephenK
Sent: October 10, 2020 1:40 PM
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One other tip on the decals.   After the Microscale film has fully dried, cut a piece of the sheet that you do not need to see how bad (or good ) the repaired decal is.  Old decals can still be good (Champ) or can totally disintegrate.   Good Luck!

Steve Kay

 


Re: Storzek & Des Plaines 1916 NYC Auto Box Cars

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 06:28 PM, Mark Rossiter wrote:
The LATE Richard Stoving?  I was not aware he passed.  If true, that is sad news indeed!
Well, I certainly have egg on my face. I haven't corresponded with Mr. Stoving since we collaborated on the history for that instruction sheet over thirty years ago, and some how I had in my mind that I had heard of his passing, an error that has been privately pointed out to me. So, I offer this correction and a public apology to Mr. Stoving and his family.

Dennis Storzek


Re: ADVICE FROM THE ESTEEMED GENTLEMAN OF STMFC...

StephenK
 

One other tip on the decals.   After the Microscale film has fully dried, cut a piece of the sheet that you do not need to see how bad (or good ) the repaired decal is.  Old decals can still be good (Champ) or can totally disintegrate.   Good Luck!

Steve Kay


Re: Lever Brake Handles

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Bob,

As my 1989 photo of an RF&P shows, some were still in use way beyond our period of interest.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 2:10 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Lever Brake Handles

Were lever brake handles ever banned or outlawed, or did they just fall out of favor?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Lever Brake Handles

Benjamin Hom
 

Bob Chaparro asked:
"Lever Brake Handles
Were lever brake handles ever banned or outlawed, or did they just fall out of favor?"

No.  The railroads can still get 1:1 lever-type handbrakes today.


Ben Hom


Lever Brake Handles

Bob Chaparro
 

Lever Brake Handles

Were lever brake handles ever banned or outlawed, or did they just fall out of favor?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: FW&D Single Sheathed Boxcars

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: FW&D Single Sheathed Boxcars

A photo from the SMU Libraries:

Boxcar 6001 (Bad decal job on the car number) (1958)

https://digitalcollections.smu.edu/digital/collection/rwy/id/1403/rec/16

Boxcar 7376 (Built 11-22) -

https://digitalcollections.smu.edu/digital/collection/rwy/id/1404/rec/17

Boxcar 7510 (Built 11-22) -

https://digitalcollections.smu.edu/digital/collection/rwy/id/1405/rec/18

MOW Boxcar X-299 (Note Sign On Door) - (Photo 1960)

https://digitalcollections.smu.edu/digital/collection/rwy/id/1293/rec/20

Scroll on the photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photos: Magor Car ASX 6758 (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: Magor Car ASX 6758 (Undated)

Photos from the SMU Libraries:

https://digitalcollections.smu.edu/digital/collection/rwy/id/3236/rec/57

https://digitalcollections.smu.edu/digital/collection/rwy/id/3256/rec/32

Scroll on the photos to enlarge them.

American Smelting & Refining Co. car with open top.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Storzek & Des Plaines 1916 NYC Auto Box Cars/Richard Stoving

bongiovanni12001
 

Richard Stoving is very much alive and I hope to confirm this on the NYCSHS conference call tomorrow.  We are more than pleased to have his knowledge and humor.  

Frank Bongiovanni


Re: Storzek & Des Plaines 1916 NYC Auto Box Cars

Mark Rossiter
 

The LATE Richard Stoving?  I was not aware he passed.  If true, that is sad news indeed!

 

Mark Rossiterr

 

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Re: ADVICE FROM THE ESTEEMED GENTLEMAN OF STMFC...

Mansell Peter Hambly
 

Thank you Tony.

 

Mansell

 

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From: Tony Thompson
Sent: October 9, 2020 5:00 PM
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Mansell Peter Hambly wrote:



I just acquired White's THE GREAT YELLOW FLEET and I faintly recall that this books has some questionable assumptions in it. I would like to know just what caution I should implement when I read this book.

 

      The good news is that Jack White did a great job with the book HE wrote. The bad news is that he had Donald Duke for his publisher. Duke (understandably) didn't like the manuscript tailing off around 1930, so added the later chapters. They are filled with semi-facts and outright errors. Duke also "embellished" the entire book with additional photos, again understandable to make it more attractive, and there are some fine images, but many of his captions are laughable.

       So be careful with any "facts" after 1930 in the book, and do not trust any photo captions. If you want more perspective, both Richard Hendrickson and I wrote separate reviews of the book, and both were published in magazines.

 

Tony Thompson

 

 

 

 


SOLD: HO WP 1916 built 40' SS box car resin parts

Andy Carlson
 

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This latest offered pair of WP box car castings has been sold. Thanks STMFC!
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Friday, October 9, 2020, 4:13:08 PM PDT, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:


Last month I made the offer posted below. I reduced the price based on the car sides having a slight inward curvature. A skilled modeler could heat up the sides and straighten out the sides. I have more parts available to re-offer the same set of castings.









Hello-



Re: ADVICE FROM THE ESTEEMED GENTLEMAN OF STMFC...

Tony Thompson
 

Mansell Peter Hambly wrote:

I just acquired White's THE GREAT YELLOW FLEET and I faintly recall that this books has some questionable assumptions in it. I would like to know just what caution I should implement when I read this book.

      The good news is that Jack White did a great job with the book HE wrote. The bad news is that he had Donald Duke for his publisher. Duke (understandably) didn't like the manuscript tailing off around 1930, so added the later chapters. They are filled with semi-facts and outright errors. Duke also "embellished" the entire book with additional photos, again understandable to make it more attractive, and there are some fine images, but many of his captions are laughable.
       So be careful with any "facts" after 1930 in the book, and do not trust any photo captions. If you want more perspective, both Richard Hendrickson and I wrote separate reviews of the book, and both were published in magazines.

Tony Thompson




Offered again: HO WP 1916 built 40' SS box car resin parts

Andy Carlson
 

Last month I made the offer posted below. I reduced the price based on the car sides having a slight inward curvature. A skilled modeler could heat up the sides and straighten out the sides. I have more parts available to re-offer the same set of castings.

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Hello-

I have been preparing a return to offering a select few resin HO box cars. The tooling for this HO box car was made over 20 years ago.

I have enough parts for two of these WP box cars.

The buyer will get the following parts for two cars:

4 SS sides
2 plain ends
2 ends with lumber doors
2 roofs (Newly re-tooled to correct drawing errors)
Several roof support cross ties
2 underframes
2 sets of underframe cross members and cross ties

The sides will need to be warmed up to correct a slight inward curvature

Because of the sides I am reducing the price for these 2 cars.
Purchase both cars with shipping for $85.00

No paint, decals, trucks brake equipment are included.
I have just the two to be offered and are sold as a pair.

I accept checks or money orders. With a small fee I accept PayPal.

Contact me at <midcentury@...> of list please.

Thanks,
-Andy





Re: ADVICE FROM THE ESTEEMED GENTLEMAN OF STMFC...

Mansell Peter Hambly
 

Thank you Jim.

 

Mansell

 

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From: James Brewer
Sent: October 9, 2020 3:42 PM
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Mr. Hambly,

I can't comment on Mr. White's book; but regarding decals I have had good success using Microscale Liquid Decal Film.  The directions on the bottle indicate to wait 15 minutes for it to dry before proceeding with your normal decaling procedure; you may want to put an extra coat or two over the initial coat and let dry overnight.  Good luck!

Jim Brewer

 

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