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Photo: Tanks Cars At Dow Chemical (Circa 1950s)

David
 

The real find is DOWX 38109, a ACF Type 26 probably renumbered from 8319 at some point.

David Thompson


Photo: Tanks Cars At Dow Chemical (1952)

David
 

This is almost one of the prototypes for the Tangent 8k GATC acid tank. The corner grabs are mounted in a different location, though.

David Thompson


Re: Video: Erie Railroad Carfloat Operations in Chicago, 1920

staplindave
 

Anybody know where the Erie car float went from and too in Chicago?  Was it meant to sort cut the terminal railroads?

Dave Staplin


Don't fall into the saur chasm (was Deciphering a Conductor's record)

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Oct 11, 2020, at 22:09, Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@comcast.net> wrote:

From Piedmont & Western Railroad Club website - Railroad reporting marks:
First class source, that.

CGW = Chicago Great Western
LPT =?
<sarcasm>Lone Pine & Tonopah (AKA Little Potties & Toilets), Kermit Paul's layout in Walnut Creek, CA</sarcasm>

MRJX = Marcus-Ruth-Jerome?. Possibly a Mather refrigerator car (type R). The company rendered fat.
Thankyew; I'd seen that in a photo somewhere...

CMstP = Chicago, Milwaukee & St. Paul - a prior name for Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul & Pacific (Milwaukee Road)
TIDX = TIDEWATER OIL CO.; TIDE WATER ASSOCIATED OIL CO.; TIDAL REFINING CO.; TIDAL GASOLINE CO.]
GF = Georgia & Florida Railway
MLT = ML&T = Margan's Louisiana & Texas Railroad
see above in re: MRJX.

P&P = P&PU = Peoria & Pekin Union?
KTOX (and tank car) -unknown
s. be DTOX, neh?
It all helps fill in the gaps.


Re: Video: Erie Railroad Carfloat Operations in Chicago, 1920

Mansell Peter Hambly
 

Are there any decals that are like this? Thank you.

 

Mansell Peter Hambly

COQUITLAM, B.C.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Andy Carlson
Sent: October 12, 2020 11:17 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Video: Erie Railroad Carfloat Operations in Chicago, 1920

 

Here is a drawing made by the late Al Armitage of the WP car in early lettering scheme.

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

On Monday, October 12, 2020, 9:30:10 AM PDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

 

 

It seems there’s a Western Pacific boxcar on this float that is the prototype of the resin parts Andy Carlson was recently selling. It’s at the 2:20 mark.

https://youtu.be/eHCJPMATXrk

 

Is that a circular Feather River Route emblem on the right side of the car?

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 


Re: Photo: Tanks Cars At Dow Chemical (1952)

Jim Ogden
 

Looking at GATX 24991, might one surmise it’s in acid service? That doesn’t look like an expansion dome to me.

Jim Ogden
Argyle, Texas


Re: Photo: T&P Livestock Car 22098 (Circa 1946)

akerboomk
 

A couple questions

-       What is the angled steel(?) “bracket”, about half way between reporting marks and door (even with lint under the marks)?
Something to attach movable railing to, to contain cattle?

-       The “door stop” (plate seen mostly by its shadow) seems a bit thin to me???

 

Ken


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: UTLX 69755 Loading Hot Rosin (Circa 1960)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bill;

 

Those little blue pellets are likely the little plastic spheres used in Styrofoam manufacture.  One summer job I made Styrofoam billets from pellets made by 3M.  They did indeed get shipped in covered hoppers from 3M.

 

The expanded pellets were indeed impossible to contain, and either stuck to everything, or blew into every nook and cranny.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of erieblt2
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 2:07 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: UTLX 69755 Loading Hot Rosin (Circa 1960)

 

Sorry for an aside. For some unknown reason this picture Sparked an old memory. In the early 60’s I saw the result of a derailed overturned split open covered hopper at Parkville Junction on the Long Island Rail Road’s Bay Ridge Branch. The hopper was carrying tiny blue plastic beads to be made into...(?) ‘stuff’. It was everywherE! The mild wind blew the little spheres all around. I still have an empty 35mm film canister filled with the little pellets! I still wonder how they cleaned it up! It was inshovelable(?‘could not be shoveled’). Cleaning up wrecked reefer contents must also been tough! Celery !?! And spilled resin!!!!! Yikes! Bill S



On Oct 11, 2020, at 10:45 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: UTLX 69755 Loading Hot Rosin (Circa 1960)

A photo from the Science History Institute:

Blockedhttps://digital.sciencehistory.org/works/bk128b85n

Click and scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Caption:

General view of the tank car loading station used to transport hot rosin at the Hercules Powder Company plant in Brunswick, Georgia. One of two Hercules plants specializing in naval stores, the Brunswick plant extracted rosin, turpentine, and pine oil from pine tree stumps in order to produce a range of chemicals used in the manufacture of varnishes, paints, adhesives, insecticides, textiles, and other industrial products. The employee visible adjusting the loading pipe on top of the tank car is identified as Clifford Martin.

Formed in 1912 as part of an anti-trust settlement with DuPont, the Hercules Powder Company (later Hercules Inc.) initially specialized in the manufacture of explosives and smokeless powders and subsequently diversified its business to encompass a variety of industrial products, including pine and paper chemicals, synthetics, pigments, polymers, and cellulose.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Retractable Brake Staffs on Flat Cars - An Operational Question

Tony Thompson
 

Rich Yoder wrote:

  In as much as Dennis answered the question. I thought I would offer up a few photos that were used by the Reading Railroad to show customers that shipped large items how their drop down hand brake feature worked on their gondolas.

      Thanks, Rich! Superb photos, couldn't be more clear. And the whitewashing for instructional purposes certainly makes everything completely understandable. (Good pedagogy, you might say.)

Tony Thompson




Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Retractable Brake Staffs on Flat Cars - An Operational Question

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Rich;

 

Thanks for sharing those great pics!

 

Shows how clever that solution was, but how vulnerable to damage.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rich Yoder
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 8:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Retractable Brake Staffs on Flat Cars - An Operational Question

 

Hi All,

  In as much as Dennis answered the question. I thought I would offer up a few photos that were used by the Reading Railroad to show customers that shipped  large items how their drop down hand brake feature worked on their gondolas.

Rich Yoder


Re: Deciphering a Conductor's record

cliffprather
 

The location and railroad of the conductor’s book is very important to known.


Re: Photo: T&P Livestock Car 22098 (Circa 1946)

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

Photo: T&P Livestock Car 22098 (Circa 1946)
Photo from the SMU Libraries:
Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.
Built 1929. Nice, clear details.

     Excellent photo. I have browsed a little in the Robert Yarnall Richie collection at SMU, and they are superb images. He was a commercial photographer, and must have had a lot of railroad clients (or was a rail fan), because there are a LOT of railroad subjects in the collection.
     I am glad to see some of them digitized. Many negatives were on nitrate film, which by these days is practically deteriorating before your eyes. Digitizing them before they are lost is a great objective, full credit to the DeGolyer people at SMU.

Tony Thompson




Video: Erie Railroad Carfloat Operations in Chicago, 1920

Andy Carlson
 

Here is a drawing made by the late Al Armitage of the WP car in early lettering scheme.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
Inline image

On Monday, October 12, 2020, 9:30:10 AM PDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


It seems there’s a Western Pacific boxcar on this float that is the prototype of the resin parts Andy Carlson was recently selling. It’s at the 2:20 mark.

https://youtu.be/eHCJPMATXrk

 

Is that a circular Feather River Route emblem on the right side of the car?

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

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Re: Video: Erie Railroad Carfloat Operations in Chicago, 1920

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Eric,

Yes, that indeed is a car from WP series 15001-16000, built by Pullman in 1916. Most of these were rebuilt before WWII, emerging as stock cars, MW cars and cabooses. The survivors were renumbered 26001-26125, and mostly used in bulk plaster service out of Gerlach, Nevada. A few survived in original condition into the 1960s.

And yes, the round herald was standard on most WP cars at the time of the film. Attached is an example from the 16001-series boxcars (sorry it's a bit fuzzy). The more familiar rectangular herald appeared around 1930, first as an enameled metal plate on locomotives and then spread to freight cars, both painted occasionally as a metal plate.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 12:30 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

It seems there’s a Western Pacific boxcar on this float that is the prototype of the resin parts Andy Carlson was recently selling. It’s at the 2:20 mark.

https://youtu.be/eHCJPMATXrk

 

Is that a circular Feather River Route emblem on the right side of the car?

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donald B. Valentine via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 2:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Video: Erie Railroad Carfloat Operations in Chicago, 1920

 

Stumbled onto this video when taking a break for a moment this morning and agree, it is well worth watching having an actual date and place. I was surprised to find an Erie carfloat operation n Chicago

but there it is on a river with the continuous opening of several different types of drawbridge and diminutive tow boats that make those used on the Champlain Canal look large.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

 


Photo: T&P Livestock Car 22098 (Circa 1946)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: T&P Livestock Car 22098 (Circa 1946)

Photo from the SMU Libraries:

https://digitalcollections.smu.edu/digital/collection/ryr/id/2745/rec/306

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Built 1929. Nice, clear details.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Video: Erie Railroad Carfloat Operations in Chicago, 1920

Eric Hansmann
 

I like the sheet metal covering some siding adjacent to the door. This shows up when the door is closed.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenneth Montero
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 12:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Video: Erie Railroad Carfloat Operations in Chicago, 1920

 

At the beginning of the film, the bottom edge of the door on the Rock Island car was ragged. I don't recall anyone modeling that feature, even on heavily-weathered boxcars with wood doors.

 

Ken Montero

On 10/12/2020 12:30 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

 

 

It seems there’s a Western Pacific boxcar on this float that is the prototype of the resin parts Andy Carlson was recently selling. It’s at the 2:20 mark.

https://youtu.be/eHCJPMATXrk

 

Is that a circular Feather River Route emblem on the right side of the car?

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donald B. Valentine via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 2:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Video: Erie Railroad Carfloat Operations in Chicago, 1920

 

Stumbled onto this video when taking a break for a moment this morning and agree, it is well worth watching having an actual date and place. I was surprised to find an Erie carfloat operation n Chicago

but there it is on a river with the continuous opening of several different types of drawbridge and diminutive tow boats that make those used on the Champlain Canal look large.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

 

 


Re: Deciphering a Conductor's record

Steve and Barb Hile
 

FWIW, the fourth from the bottom could well be RJOX 100 for Rajah Oil and Refining, they had such a car number in 1925.  Note that there is no number 100 in KOTX in 1925.

 

TIDX 352 makes sense for Tidal Refining in 1925.

 

What makes less sense is the shape of the letters in different lines.  The first letter of TIDX 352 sure looks like the second letter in RJOX 100, but, based on these surmises, they were different.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of James SANDIFER
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 7:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Deciphering a Conductor's record

 

1923. I have used the Westerfield 1925 ORER to try to find ID but likely candidates like P&PU don't have car numbers that match. 

Steve Sandifer

 

On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 11:03 PM, Steve and Barb Hile

<shile@...> wrote:

Steve,

 

Can you provide the date of the document, it might help pin some things down.

 

PHP probably equals Packing House Products

Contents of CB&Q 113493 probably Canned Goods

 

Thanks,

Steve Hile

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of James SANDIFER
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 10:29 PM
To: Steam Freight Car <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Deciphering a Conductor's record

 

I have been transcribing a conductor’s record. There are a few things I have not figured out, especially his RR IDs. Please look and see if you can offer any suggestions.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 


Re: Video: Erie Railroad Carfloat Operations in Chicago, 1920

Kenneth Montero
 

At the beginning of the film, the bottom edge of the door on the Rock Island car was ragged. I don't recall anyone modeling that feature, even on heavily-weathered boxcars with wood doors.

Ken Montero

On 10/12/2020 12:30 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


It seems there’s a Western Pacific boxcar on this float that is the prototype of the resin parts Andy Carlson was recently selling. It’s at the 2:20 mark.

https://youtu.be/eHCJPMATXrk


Is that a circular Feather River Route emblem on the right side of the car?



Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN






From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donald B. Valentine via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 2:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Video: Erie Railroad Carfloat Operations in Chicago, 1920


Stumbled onto this video when taking a break for a moment this morning and agree, it is well worth watching having an actual date and place. I was surprised to find an Erie carfloat operation n Chicago

but there it is on a river with the continuous opening of several different types of drawbridge and diminutive tow boats that make those used on the Champlain Canal look large.


Cordially, Don Valentine




Photo: Tanks Cars At Dow Chemical (1952)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Tanks Cars At Dow Chemical (1952)

A photo from the Science History Institute:

https://digital.sciencehistory.org/works/8p58pd41f

Click and scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Good close up view of GATX 24991.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Tanks Cars At Dow Chemical (Circa 1950s)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Tanks Cars At Dow Chemical (Circa 1950s)

A photo from the Science History Institute:

https://digital.sciencehistory.org/works/n296wz501

Click and scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Good close up view of SHPX 22774 & 22804

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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