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Re: Photo: Chemical Processing Vessel On Flat Cars (Circa 1935)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Oops, I made an error, this is two-car series 67051-67053 (odd only), not series 67053-67054
 
Claus Schlund
 

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Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Chemical Processing Vessel On Flat Cars (Circa 1935)

Hi Bob and List Members,
 
Thanks Bob for another great image.
 
Regarding the image date, I think I see 10-36 stencilled on ERIE 7209, so it cannot be 1935...
 
Regarding the car CMStP&P 67053, it is one car of the two-car series 67053-67054. This is a 44-ft 200-ton car built by Standard Steel Car Co. on 10-1928 with trucks and span bolster from Buckeye Steel Castings Co.
 
Railway Age 02Feb1929 pg264 has an illustrated article on these two cars - a quote from the article...
 
"The cars are intended for the service of the A. O. Smith Corporation, Milwaukee, Wis., in transporting unusually heave machinery, including large gasoline stills used in a new cracking process"
 
So this image is spot on and shows the cars in the intended service!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 12:51 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Chemical Processing Vessel On Flat Cars (Circa 1935)

Photo: Chemical Processing Vessel On Flat Cars (Circa 1935)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/12440/rec/1

Not SSW flatcars, but Erie & Milwaukee Road flatcars.

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Test

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Oct 15, 2020, at 11:03, Tony Thompson <tony@signaturepress.com> wrote:

Well, if you know the 3-4-5 rule . . .
or what my high school mechanical drawing teacher called "the Pitha Gorian theorem"[0], ... He was of Veneto extraction, though, ergo forgivable.

[0] sqrt(x^2 + y^2)


Re: Photo: Chemical Processing Vessel On Flat Cars (Circa 1935)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob and List Members,
 
Thanks Bob for another great image.
 
Regarding the image date, I think I see 10-36 stencilled on ERIE 7209, so it cannot be 1935...
 
Regarding the car CMStP&P 67053, it is one car of the two-car series 67053-67054. This is a 44-ft 200-ton car built by Standard Steel Car Co. on 10-1928 with trucks and span bolster from Buckeye Steel Castings Co.
 
Railway Age 02Feb1929 pg264 has an illustrated article on these two cars - a quote from the article...
 
"The cars are intended for the service of the A. O. Smith Corporation, Milwaukee, Wis., in transporting unusually heave machinery, including large gasoline stills used in a new cracking process"
 
So this image is spot on and shows the cars in the intended service!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 12:51 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Chemical Processing Vessel On Flat Cars (Circa 1935)

Photo: Chemical Processing Vessel On Flat Cars (Circa 1935)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/12440/rec/1

Not SSW flatcars, but Erie & Milwaukee Road flatcars.

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Wabash 7000-7299

mopacfirst
 

Ed:

This helps a lot.  I have these files downloaded and in paper form, should have pulled this one also to see what it had.  My best guess is the bolter-to-bolster sidesill is the major difference in these cars, but I've done some of those before so shouldn't be an issue.

Ron Merrick


Re: Test

Tony Thompson
 

Well, if you know the 3-4-5 rule . . .

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


Re: Test

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Oct 15, 2020, at 08:44, Scott <repairman87@hotmail.com> wrote:

Find the magnitude of the following vector.




10 *DING*
and I didn't need to cheat


Re: Wabash 7000-7299

Rick Jesionowski
 

The major difference is the straight side sill from bolster to bolster. Information on these cars can be found here.



Rick Jesionowski


Re: Tichy GSC Flatcar

Tony Thompson
 

Brian Carlsonwrote:

This is one of those weird times when the Walthers car captures the look of the GSC prototype better. 

     I agree, and used an upgraded Walthers body to do a Santa Fe car.

Tony Thompson




Re: Tichy GSC Flatcar

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Tom,

Well, maybe for something else, but personally I would have fixed the problem myself rather than hang on to a car that was obviously designed wrong.

OTOH, I still have a pristine but empty can of Kroger's instant coffee marked "Viennese Chocolate", subtitled "Swiss Style Flavored Instant Coffee." The Kroger people fixed this gaff pretty quickly, and my empty can might be the last one like this in the world, outside of their archives. I think I should see if the Smithsonian would be interested. Or maybe I could get rich putting up for auction on eBay.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:12 PM Tom Madden via groups.io <pullmanboss=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 10:04 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Tom and friends,
 
Walthers must have fixed it.
They did - and pretty quickly. Should have kept my one example.

Tom Madden
 


Re: Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

Robert J. Amsler, Jr.
 

As these photos are from St. Louis, I wanted to determine which yard was the subject of these three photographs.  I determined that they are actually an industrial yard in north St. Louis City in the northern industrial area where a number of freight houses were just north of downtown St. Louis and just a few blocks west of the Mississippi River.

 

The business in the background is Carr Tromble Manufacturing, which owned Bilt Well Plans and Millwork.  They published plans for homes and would provide you with a home kit to build your home.

 

Robert J. Amsler, Jr.

514 Dover Place

Saint Louis, Missouri 63111

(314) 606-6118  (Telephone)

(314) 754-2688  (Facsimile)

MPFan1@...

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

 

Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

Photos from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13798/rec/2

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13220/rec/1

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13011/rec/1

Scroll on the photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Gondola Load Of Christmas Coal For The Needy (1940)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Gondola Load Of Christmas Coal  For The Needy (1940)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/46258/rec/1

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

People helping people.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: St. Louis Syrup Refining Co. Tank Car 201 (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: St. Louis Syrup Refining Co. Tank Car 201 (Undated)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/34180/rec/1

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Fox trucks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: SSW Boxcar 32000 (1928)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: SSW Boxcar 32000 (1928)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13034/rec/8

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: MKT Boxcar 91500 (1950)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: MKT Boxcar 91500 (1950)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/11859/rec/7

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

Photos from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13798/rec/2

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13220/rec/1

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13011/rec/1

Scroll on the photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Chemical Processing Vessel On Flat Cars (Circa 1935)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Chemical Processing Vessel On Flat Cars (Circa 1935)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/12440/rec/1

Not SSW flatcars, but Erie & Milwaukee Road flatcars.

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Wabash 7000-7299

Ed Hawkins
 



On Oct 15, 2020, at 10:21 AM, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

Can anyone shed more light on the boxcar series WAB 7000-7299?  I have two Branchline decorated cars that I stopped working on, partway through.  My recollection is that I discovered something major that was different between the model and the prototype that I chose not to try to change, but I don't remember what it was.

I've confirmed in ORERs from the late 50s that this car series existed, and they were 40' XM with a 6' door, and that substantially all of the cars were in service (quantity in the high 290s).  The model has R/3-4 interim Dreadnaught rolling pin ends.  

What I have not found is any pictures on line.  I have a Wabash (WAB-NKP if I recall) color guide but it's not here.  Any comments?

Ron,
Perhaps the notes column of my Postwar AAR R+3-4 IDN (1948-1954) roster would help to define the differences of the prototype cars vs. the Branchline model. For these Wabash box cars the side sill door reinforcements extended from bolster to bolster, whereas the BT model has the more-common AAR design in which the side sill door reinforcements are shorter and having intermediate crosstie side sill connections. Other visible differences were door gussets (5-sided doubler plates riveted adjacent to the left & right door posts) and vertically-mounted roping staples.


My notes indicate two left-side photos that I’ve seen: W.C. Whittaker photo of 7095 (2-55 reweigh), Paul Dunn photo of 7080 (12-58 reweigh) that was once available from Bob Lorenz. Both cars were built 6-52. 

Hope this helps,
Ed Hawkins









Re: Tichy GSC Flatcar

Tom Madden
 

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 10:04 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Tom and friends,
 
Walthers must have fixed it.
They did - and pretty quickly. Should have kept my one example.

Tom Madden
 


Re: Tichy GSC Flatcar

mopacfirst
 

Didn't see that brake shaft discrepancy, but I still have a couple of the unbuilt Walthers kits.  I assume I will build a couple more in the not-too-distant future since they are again the best choice for a 53' or so cast steel flat, after I bought all the Exactrail and Tangent ones that would fit my era and locale.

Ron Merrick


Re: Wabash 7000-7299

mopacfirst
 

Jim:  I agree not enough information to positively identify some of the characteristics of the prototype cars, except that the end drawing confirms it's the same as on the model.

While many of the Branchline models are dead on, I often changed minor characteristics such as the corner sidesill stirrups, or the lack of poling pockets, or adding roping staples, or similar things that could be easily carved off.  If I need to add a sidesill reinforcement or something, I think the Branchline Wabash paint could be matched with oxide red or similar.  Won't know unless I try it.

Ron Merrick

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