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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy GSC Flatcar

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Brian, all;

 

PRR had no GSC flat cars of the “Commonwealth” design, but did own F41 classes that had a slightly different casting that had a different side tapers, a shallower sill outside the bolsters, and different top members.  They did have the ~60’ version as class F47. (think Tangent)

 

I did an F41 build years ago from the Tichy kit, and agree it is not rounded off enough to closely resemble that casting.  I spent a lot of time with sanding sticks to round off the edges.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 10:51 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy GSC Flatcar

 

This is one of those weird times when the Walthers car captures the look of the GSC prototype better. The tichy car molding is too sharp for a casting imho. I was going to do a Pennsy car at one time, but something stopped me.  I don’t recall what that was currently.  

 

Removing the tichy weight works as Eric noted. 

Brian J. Carlson 



On Oct 15, 2020, at 10:32 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

I’ve had a number of projects “go bad” because I assumed the coupler height would be correct but discovered it to be wrong after too many details had been finished to do a major re-work on the underframe. If possible, I try to locate a drawing giving me dimensions to check earlty in the process.

 

Here is a part of a GSC flat car drawing from the SRHA archives… (measurements are always from top of rail). I have not checked the Tichy (PRR?) version against drawings but the Walthers car issued a number of years ago is nearly perfect.

 

Ike

 

<GSC flat end measurements.jpg>


Re: Wabash 7000-7299

mopacfirst
 

Thanks, and when I rejoin my books I'll check it.

Ron Merrick


Re: Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

Steve and Barb Hile
 

In the fisheye lens effect, the N&W gon is almost fully hidden behind the UP auto boxcar.

 

I wonder if it is the next in line for the unloading conveyor by the gon (possibly also N&W) hidden by the PRR gon with scrap.

 

I believe all three photos were taken from the same spot at virtually the same time.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 10:36 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

 

The image with the fisheye lens effect features a Frisco boxcar with an 11-41 weigh stencil.

 

Some of the same cars are in each image. The N&W gondola with the chunky coal/coke load only appears in one image. I wonder if it was held here until it could be spotted at the foundry in the background.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 9:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

 

Until I looked closer, I didn’t realize that all three pictures had the same subject matter (cars).  Combining the first two creates one that is similar to the third one.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 9:21 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

 

Team yard photos like these are almost pure gold. Thanks, Bob!

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:52 AM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

 

Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

Photos from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13798/rec/2

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13220/rec/1

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13011/rec/1

Scroll on the photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

Eric Hansmann
 

The image with the fisheye lens effect features a Frisco boxcar with an 11-41 weigh stencil.

 

Some of the same cars are in each image. The N&W gondola with the chunky coal/coke load only appears in one image. I wonder if it was held here until it could be spotted at the foundry in the background.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 9:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

 

Until I looked closer, I didn’t realize that all three pictures had the same subject matter (cars).  Combining the first two creates one that is similar to the third one.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 9:21 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

 

Team yard photos like these are almost pure gold. Thanks, Bob!

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

 

Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

Photos from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13798/rec/2

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13220/rec/1

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13011/rec/1

Scroll on the photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Until I looked closer, I didn’t realize that all three pictures had the same subject matter (cars).  Combining the first two creates one that is similar to the third one.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 9:21 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

 

Team yard photos like these are almost pure gold. Thanks, Bob!

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

 

Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

Photos from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13798/rec/2

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13220/rec/1

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13011/rec/1

Scroll on the photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Tichy GSC Flatcar

StephenK
 

Thanks to all for the input.   I removed the weight and the car rides much lower, but still not quite right.   I will try a few different trucks and, if necessary, file the bolster down to get the car to ride at the proper height.   

And I agree with Tony regarding the Walthers kit.   It is a better model, and the separate deck parts make it easier to paint.    The Tichy deck is really pretty poor--I used a square and X-Acto knife to carve new "boards."  The result was good, but carving and painting the deck (especially the small wood "inserts" at the ends) was a hassle.   

Anyway, I am on my way to completion of this project...

Steve Kay


Re: Photo: SSW Boxcar 32000 (1928)

Eric Hansmann
 

You can just make out the 27 weigh date on this car and you can see a stripe of a point out in that area.

 

Also note the repack stencil is above the usual sill location and closer to the door. The hardware inventory letting squeezed out the usual spot above the right bolster.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:55 AM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SSW Boxcar 32000 (1928)

 

Photo: SSW Boxcar 32000 (1928)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13034/rec/8

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

Eric Hansmann
 

Team yard photos like these are almost pure gold. Thanks, Bob!

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

 

Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

Photos from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13798/rec/2

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13220/rec/1

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13011/rec/1

Scroll on the photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

Eric Hansmann
 

It might be coke in the N&W gondola. Foundries of all sizes use coke. A gondola delivery might be for a smaller or medium size operation.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:05 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

 

Thats some big coal in the N&W gondola in the first picture.  What industry in St Louis would use something that big?

Scott McDonald 


Re: kroger cofee tins

Ray Hutchison
 

NPR recently had a feature on the Museum of Everyday Life (perhaps Museum of Everyday Life).  The museum might be interested in your coffee tins, Garth,


Re: Wabash 7000-7299

Rick Jesionowski
 

By the way page 22 in the Wab/NKP etc color guide there is a picture of the car.

Rick Jesionowski 


Re: Two Compartment HO Scale Tank Cars: Who Made Them?

Benjamin Hom
 

Garth Groff wrote:
"Mark Feddersen wrote an article in the July 1988 MAINLINE MODELER with the title "Tank Car Pleasure: Twin Dome Kit Modification". Feddersen describes converting a Tichy tank into a GATX prototype. Most of us probably have a couple of these Tichy cars we are too embarrassed to haul out when anybody on this list is looking, so here is a great chance for both an accurate twin-dome tank car, and a use for these dodgy kits."

The Feddersen Mainline Modeler articles are definitely worth another read for the modeling approach and techniques - they're a precursor to Bobby Pitts' tank car work, appearing almost two decades earlier.

While the "prototype" for the Gould/Tichy tank car kits might be dodgy (and I realize that they're close to several prototypes covered previously on this list - but nothing out of the box), the components are certainly useful, and Tichy helpfully provides them in his parts line.


Ben Hom  



Re: Two Compartment HO Scale Tank Cars: Who Made Them?

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Bob and Friends,

Mark Feddersen wrote an article in the July 1988 MAINLINE MODELER with the title "Tank Car Pleasure: Twin Dome Kit Modification". Feddersen describes converting a Tichy tank into a GATX prototype. Most of us probably have a couple of these Tichy cars we are too embarrassed to haul out when anybody on this list is looking, so here is a great chance for both an accurate twin-dome tank car, and a use for these dodgy kits.

Twin-dome cars were pretty rare, but they were common enough to justify one or two in a freight car collection. The problem is finding photos and data. It would be neat if somebody did an illustrated article on various twin-dome prototypes.

I have an old steel Athearn/Globe twin-dome which is sort-of kitbashed to stand-in for UNPX 102 (a Sinclair subsidiary that continued with its own reporting mark). Sadly, UNPX 102 was a 6K car, and the Athearn tank is 8K, but I can live with it. It has slightly larger Selly cast metal domes from my parts box. I love finding old Athearn and Mantua steel tank car models at train shows and bringing them back to life.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 12:49 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Two Compartment HO Scale Tank Cars: Who Made Them?

I seem to recall about eight years ago one of the higher-end manufacturers offered an HO scale R-T-R two compartment tank car in plastic. Perhaps it was Tangent or Broadway Limited.

Does anyone recall who offered this tank car?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Two Compartment HO Scale Tank Cars: Who Made Them?

Brian Carlson
 

Tangent made a 3 dome in plastic. Southern car and Foundry had a two dome in resin. They also had single and 3 dome cars in resin. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Oct 16, 2020, at 12:49 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



Two Compartment HO Scale Tank Cars: Who Made Them?

I seem to recall about eight years ago one of the higher-end manufacturers offered an HO scale R-T-R two compartment tank car in plastic. Perhaps it was Tangent or Broadway Limited.

Does anyone recall who offered this tank car?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Two Compartment HO Scale Tank Cars: Who Made Them?

Bob Chaparro
 

Two Compartment HO Scale Tank Cars: Who Made Them?

I seem to recall about eight years ago one of the higher-end manufacturers offered an HO scale R-T-R two compartment tank car in plastic. Perhaps it was Tangent or Broadway Limited.

Does anyone recall who offered this tank car?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

Scott
 

Thats some big coal in the N&W gondola in the first picture.  What industry in St Louis would use something that big?

Scott McDonald 


Re: Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

Gary Roe
 

Robert,

I agree with your assessment 100%.

In the middle picture, there are 2 diesel switchers in the background.  I am 99% sure the one to the left is a Wabash SW-1.  Not sure about the ALCo on the right; but it is possible it belongs to the Wabash as well.  The Chevy truck that appears to be loading scrap into the PRR gon was built between 41-46 (they all looked the same), so the photo dates no earlier than 1941.

gary roe
quincy, illinois



On Thursday, October 15, 2020, 12:37:11 PM CDT, Robert J. Amsler, Jr. <mpfan1@...> wrote:


As these photos are from St. Louis, I wanted to determine which yard was the subject of these three photographs.  I determined that they are actually an industrial yard in north St. Louis City in the northern industrial area where a number of freight houses were just north of downtown St. Louis and just a few blocks west of the Mississippi River.

 

The business in the background is Carr Tromble Manufacturing, which owned Bilt Well Plans and Millwork.  They published plans for homes and would provide you with a home kit to build your home.

 

Robert J. Amsler, Jr.

514 Dover Place

Saint Louis, Missouri 63111

(314) 606-6118  (Telephone)

(314) 754-2688  (Facsimile)

MPFan1@...

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

 

Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

Photos from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13798/rec/2

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13220/rec/1

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13011/rec/1

Scroll on the photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Chemical Processing Vessel On Flat Cars (Circa 1935)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Oops, I made an error, this is two-car series 67051-67053 (odd only), not series 67053-67054
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Chemical Processing Vessel On Flat Cars (Circa 1935)

Hi Bob and List Members,
 
Thanks Bob for another great image.
 
Regarding the image date, I think I see 10-36 stencilled on ERIE 7209, so it cannot be 1935...
 
Regarding the car CMStP&P 67053, it is one car of the two-car series 67053-67054. This is a 44-ft 200-ton car built by Standard Steel Car Co. on 10-1928 with trucks and span bolster from Buckeye Steel Castings Co.
 
Railway Age 02Feb1929 pg264 has an illustrated article on these two cars - a quote from the article...
 
"The cars are intended for the service of the A. O. Smith Corporation, Milwaukee, Wis., in transporting unusually heave machinery, including large gasoline stills used in a new cracking process"
 
So this image is spot on and shows the cars in the intended service!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 12:51 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Chemical Processing Vessel On Flat Cars (Circa 1935)

Photo: Chemical Processing Vessel On Flat Cars (Circa 1935)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/12440/rec/1

Not SSW flatcars, but Erie & Milwaukee Road flatcars.

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Test

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Oct 15, 2020, at 11:03, Tony Thompson <tony@signaturepress.com> wrote:

Well, if you know the 3-4-5 rule . . .
or what my high school mechanical drawing teacher called "the Pitha Gorian theorem"[0], ... He was of Veneto extraction, though, ergo forgivable.

[0] sqrt(x^2 + y^2)


Re: Photo: Chemical Processing Vessel On Flat Cars (Circa 1935)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob and List Members,
 
Thanks Bob for another great image.
 
Regarding the image date, I think I see 10-36 stencilled on ERIE 7209, so it cannot be 1935...
 
Regarding the car CMStP&P 67053, it is one car of the two-car series 67053-67054. This is a 44-ft 200-ton car built by Standard Steel Car Co. on 10-1928 with trucks and span bolster from Buckeye Steel Castings Co.
 
Railway Age 02Feb1929 pg264 has an illustrated article on these two cars - a quote from the article...
 
"The cars are intended for the service of the A. O. Smith Corporation, Milwaukee, Wis., in transporting unusually heave machinery, including large gasoline stills used in a new cracking process"
 
So this image is spot on and shows the cars in the intended service!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 12:51 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Chemical Processing Vessel On Flat Cars (Circa 1935)

Photo: Chemical Processing Vessel On Flat Cars (Circa 1935)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/12440/rec/1

Not SSW flatcars, but Erie & Milwaukee Road flatcars.

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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