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RCW kit update

Eric Hansmann
 

Instructions have been posted for the decal and detail combo sets to transform Atlas HO scale offset hoppers to follow C&EI and MP prototypes. Thank you for your patience as these details came together a but slower than usual.

 

Also on the RCW blog is an update on the latest Hindsight 2020 virtual RPM set for October 24th.

 

Details and links for the hopper combo sets and Hindsight 20/20 are in the latest blog post.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/rcw-kit-update-2/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

RCW web guy


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Conductor's Train List - GB&W 1945 now PMcK&Y gon

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

 

I can’t believe you didn’t jump all over the PMcK&Y gon!  It is fabulous!

 

You’ve got a great starting point:  the Westerfield P&LE gon.  The diagonal load securing is very do-able.  Maybe the ends are a bit of a challenge, but still very do-able.

 

C’mon, some has to model that car and load!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 12:54 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Conductor's Train List - GB&W 1945

 

Andy;

 

I think your PMcK&Y gon is like these brothers.

 

Note the odd replacement end P&LE put on at least some of these guys, and the replacement handbrake.  The diagonal load is just icing on the cake.

 

Based on how gons were sometimes “borrowed” into service on roads that might not have enough gons, they sometimes ended up in an odd rotation in serving some type of industry that had a need.  Unusual, but not surprising.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy Laurent via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:10 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Conductor's Train List - GB&W 1945

 

Gents,
Since one sheet of an AT&SF train list was so interesting, I'll share a copy of a book from a Green Bay & Western Railroad conductor in January-February 1945 that is in my collection.  I tried to attach this to a message awhile back, but it didn't go through...I will link to it instead.

GB&W Conductor's Book 1945

Most of the trains in the book are through-freights, Trains #1 and #2 between Winona, MN and the Pere Marquette & Ann Arbor carferry connections at Kewaunee, WI.  Mr. Hansen's territory seems to be primarily between Green Bay ("0") and Wisconsin Rapids ("96"), with alternating out and back work days. Common stations are:
AA or PM -carferries at Kewaunee 
24 -Black Creek (SOO) 
40 -New London (C&NW) 
70 -Amherst Junction (SOO)
212 -East Winona (CB&Q)
214 -Winona (MILW+CGW).
A station number key can be found in the left column of the industry list here.

As for reporting mark abbreviations, he uses "Q" for CB&Q, "StP" for CMStP&P, "K" for KGB&W (home road), "Penn" for PRR, sometimes "C" for C&NW, and "-" as a ditto mark. There are some interesting occurrences, including gondola PMcK&Y 92481 showing up in his train several times in 2 months!

Enjoy!
Andy Laurent
Madison, WI


Re: Photo: Wabash Boxcar 62232 (Undated)

Benjamin Hom
 

Bob Chaparro asked:
"Photo: Wabash Boxcar 62232 (Undated)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/41041/rec/9

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Does this look like some sort of "compromise" (my term) coupler?"

Also referred to "transition period" coupler.  Note the horizontal gap in the knuckle to accommodate the link and the pin inserted into a vertical hole in the coupler.  Other photos:


Ben Hom


Photo: Wabash Boxcar 62232 (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Wabash Boxcar 62232 (Undated)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/41041/rec/9

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Does this look like some sort of "compromise" (my term) coupler?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: St. Louis, Peoria & Northern Boxcar 1201 (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: St. Louis, Peoria & Northern Boxcar 1201 (Undated)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/36321/rec/7

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Again, Loading Coal Into Boxcars? (Circa 1904)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Again, Loading Coal Into Boxcars? (Circa 1904)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/15614/rec/19

Possibly loading coal into K&W Boxcar 1414.

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

See previous post and subsequent 15 comments:

https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/message/177515?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,coal+boxcars,20,2,0,76823077

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


SCCX 682 tank car from Vintage Portland site 1937

Todd Sullivan
 

Here's a link to a partial photo of SCCX 682 - a tank car at NW St. Helens and Doane Aves in Portland, OR in 1937. The photo can be expanded.

https://vintageportland.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/public-works-administration-archival-public-works-administrator-photographs-a2005-001.773-nw-doane-ave-area-and-st-helens-rd-looking-northeast-1.jpg

Todd Sullivan.


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy GSC Flatcar

Brian Carlson
 

Elden That’s probably why I never completed the F41 project, different casting. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Oct 16, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:



Brian, all;

 

PRR had no GSC flat cars of the “Commonwealth” design, but did own F41 classes that had a slightly different casting that had a different side tapers, a shallower sill outside the bolsters, and different top members.  They did have the ~60’ version as class F47. (think Tangent)

 

I did an F41 build years ago from the Tichy kit, and agree it is not rounded off enough to closely resemble that casting.  I spent a lot of time with sanding sticks to round off the edges.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 10:51 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy GSC Flatcar

 

This is one of those weird times when the Walthers car captures the look of the GSC prototype better. The tichy car molding is too sharp for a casting imho. I was going to do a Pennsy car at one time, but something stopped me.  I don’t recall what that was currently.  

 

Removing the tichy weight works as Eric noted. 

Brian J. Carlson 



On Oct 15, 2020, at 10:32 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

I’ve had a number of projects “go bad” because I assumed the coupler height would be correct but discovered it to be wrong after too many details had been finished to do a major re-work on the underframe. If possible, I try to locate a drawing giving me dimensions to check earlty in the process.

 

Here is a part of a GSC flat car drawing from the SRHA archives… (measurements are always from top of rail). I have not checked the Tichy (PRR?) version against drawings but the Walthers car issued a number of years ago is nearly perfect.

 

Ike

 

<GSC flat end measurements.jpg>


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy GSC Flatcar

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Brian, all;

 

PRR had no GSC flat cars of the “Commonwealth” design, but did own F41 classes that had a slightly different casting that had a different side tapers, a shallower sill outside the bolsters, and different top members.  They did have the ~60’ version as class F47. (think Tangent)

 

I did an F41 build years ago from the Tichy kit, and agree it is not rounded off enough to closely resemble that casting.  I spent a lot of time with sanding sticks to round off the edges.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 10:51 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy GSC Flatcar

 

This is one of those weird times when the Walthers car captures the look of the GSC prototype better. The tichy car molding is too sharp for a casting imho. I was going to do a Pennsy car at one time, but something stopped me.  I don’t recall what that was currently.  

 

Removing the tichy weight works as Eric noted. 

Brian J. Carlson 



On Oct 15, 2020, at 10:32 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

I’ve had a number of projects “go bad” because I assumed the coupler height would be correct but discovered it to be wrong after too many details had been finished to do a major re-work on the underframe. If possible, I try to locate a drawing giving me dimensions to check earlty in the process.

 

Here is a part of a GSC flat car drawing from the SRHA archives… (measurements are always from top of rail). I have not checked the Tichy (PRR?) version against drawings but the Walthers car issued a number of years ago is nearly perfect.

 

Ike

 

<GSC flat end measurements.jpg>


Re: Wabash 7000-7299

mopacfirst
 

Thanks, and when I rejoin my books I'll check it.

Ron Merrick


Re: Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

Steve and Barb Hile
 

In the fisheye lens effect, the N&W gon is almost fully hidden behind the UP auto boxcar.

 

I wonder if it is the next in line for the unloading conveyor by the gon (possibly also N&W) hidden by the PRR gon with scrap.

 

I believe all three photos were taken from the same spot at virtually the same time.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 10:36 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

 

The image with the fisheye lens effect features a Frisco boxcar with an 11-41 weigh stencil.

 

Some of the same cars are in each image. The N&W gondola with the chunky coal/coke load only appears in one image. I wonder if it was held here until it could be spotted at the foundry in the background.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 9:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

 

Until I looked closer, I didn’t realize that all three pictures had the same subject matter (cars).  Combining the first two creates one that is similar to the third one.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 9:21 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

 

Team yard photos like these are almost pure gold. Thanks, Bob!

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

 

Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

Photos from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13798/rec/2

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13220/rec/1

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13011/rec/1

Scroll on the photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

Eric Hansmann
 

The image with the fisheye lens effect features a Frisco boxcar with an 11-41 weigh stencil.

 

Some of the same cars are in each image. The N&W gondola with the chunky coal/coke load only appears in one image. I wonder if it was held here until it could be spotted at the foundry in the background.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 9:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

 

Until I looked closer, I didn’t realize that all three pictures had the same subject matter (cars).  Combining the first two creates one that is similar to the third one.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 9:21 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

 

Team yard photos like these are almost pure gold. Thanks, Bob!

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

 

Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

Photos from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13798/rec/2

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13220/rec/1

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13011/rec/1

Scroll on the photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Until I looked closer, I didn’t realize that all three pictures had the same subject matter (cars).  Combining the first two creates one that is similar to the third one.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 9:21 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

 

Team yard photos like these are almost pure gold. Thanks, Bob!

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

 

Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

Photos from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13798/rec/2

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13220/rec/1

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13011/rec/1

Scroll on the photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Tichy GSC Flatcar

StephenK
 

Thanks to all for the input.   I removed the weight and the car rides much lower, but still not quite right.   I will try a few different trucks and, if necessary, file the bolster down to get the car to ride at the proper height.   

And I agree with Tony regarding the Walthers kit.   It is a better model, and the separate deck parts make it easier to paint.    The Tichy deck is really pretty poor--I used a square and X-Acto knife to carve new "boards."  The result was good, but carving and painting the deck (especially the small wood "inserts" at the ends) was a hassle.   

Anyway, I am on my way to completion of this project...

Steve Kay


Re: Photo: SSW Boxcar 32000 (1928)

Eric Hansmann
 

You can just make out the 27 weigh date on this car and you can see a stripe of a point out in that area.

 

Also note the repack stencil is above the usual sill location and closer to the door. The hardware inventory letting squeezed out the usual spot above the right bolster.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:55 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SSW Boxcar 32000 (1928)

 

Photo: SSW Boxcar 32000 (1928)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13034/rec/8

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

Eric Hansmann
 

Team yard photos like these are almost pure gold. Thanks, Bob!

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

 

Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

Photos from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13798/rec/2

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13220/rec/1

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/13011/rec/1

Scroll on the photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

Eric Hansmann
 

It might be coke in the N&W gondola. Foundries of all sizes use coke. A gondola delivery might be for a smaller or medium size operation.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:05 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Freight Cars In St. Louis (Undated)

 

Thats some big coal in the N&W gondola in the first picture.  What industry in St Louis would use something that big?

Scott McDonald 


Re: kroger cofee tins

Ray Hutchison
 

NPR recently had a feature on the Museum of Everyday Life (perhaps Museum of Everyday Life).  The museum might be interested in your coffee tins, Garth,


Re: Wabash 7000-7299

Rick Jesionowski
 

By the way page 22 in the Wab/NKP etc color guide there is a picture of the car.

Rick Jesionowski 


Re: Two Compartment HO Scale Tank Cars: Who Made Them?

Benjamin Hom
 

Garth Groff wrote:
"Mark Feddersen wrote an article in the July 1988 MAINLINE MODELER with the title "Tank Car Pleasure: Twin Dome Kit Modification". Feddersen describes converting a Tichy tank into a GATX prototype. Most of us probably have a couple of these Tichy cars we are too embarrassed to haul out when anybody on this list is looking, so here is a great chance for both an accurate twin-dome tank car, and a use for these dodgy kits."

The Feddersen Mainline Modeler articles are definitely worth another read for the modeling approach and techniques - they're a precursor to Bobby Pitts' tank car work, appearing almost two decades earlier.

While the "prototype" for the Gould/Tichy tank car kits might be dodgy (and I realize that they're close to several prototypes covered previously on this list - but nothing out of the box), the components are certainly useful, and Tichy helpfully provides them in his parts line.


Ben Hom  


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