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Re: Two Compartment HO Scale Tank Cars: Who Made Them?

Tony Thompson
 

Hugh Guillaume wrote:

The Globe 2-dome tank car is not easy to find.  Be careful buying one because the pot metal frame frequently falls apart . . .

     It was Zamac, NOT "pot metal," but it does fall apart if the alloy was a little contaminated. I'm sure in those days a manufacturer would have goggled at you if you wanted him to use better material so his castings would last 70 years.

Tony Thompson




Re: Some day those on-the-shelf factory painted kits will be sought after

Ken Adams
 

Lets hear it for the Plastic Kits and remember the advice to Dustin Hoffman in "The Graduate".....
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Two Compartment HO Scale Tank Cars: Who Made Them?

 

The Globe 2-dome tank car is not easy to find.  Be careful buying one because the pot metal frame frequently falls apart.  The Globe line of freight cars was state of the art at the time, as were Irv Athearn's metal freight cars.  The Mantua metal cars were good but not as good as the Globe and Athearn.  I remember buying the kits at hobby shops in Buffalo.  Many of those old kits used 410M paint.  I have one Globe 2-dome car on my model railroad along with one Athearn metal NYC Pacemaker boxcar and one metal B&LERR 50' flat car.  I do not know who produced the Bessemer flat car but it is not Varney.  I remember building an EJ&E green Varney metal flat car when I was about fifteen years old.  


Re: Ann Arbor 73750 to 73998 door hardware?

O Fenton Wells
 

Check Ted Culotta's freight car books they may have more info.
Fenton

On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 6:26 PM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
Thanks Fenton - it helps.  I can figure out the various upper pieces from that.  

But that large shape at the left end of the 18” long, horizontal piece of bar stock, remains a bit of a mystery.  

My impression is that the door post has two castings mounted to it - the upper and lower - and so the door latch fits into them.  

Rob    

On Oct 18, 2020, at 2:24 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Rob, will this help AA 73918 door
Fenton

On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 4:55 PM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

Hi there,

I'm modelling one of these 9' IH Ann Arbor cars, and can't find sufficiently detailed photos of the door hardware: specifically the door latch mechanism bits and pieces.  Here is a link to a Jim Parker shot in the list photos section: https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/photo/43681/38?p=Created,,,20,2,20,0   Wondering if anyone has a higher resolution photo of one of these series of cars, or of the type of door hardware used.  

Thanks in advance for any help,

Rob Kirkham





--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...
<AA #73918 (2).jpg>



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Ann Arbor 73750 to 73998 door hardware?

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks Fenton - it helps.  I can figure out the various upper pieces from that.  

But that large shape at the left end of the 18” long, horizontal piece of bar stock, remains a bit of a mystery.  

My impression is that the door post has two castings mounted to it - the upper and lower - and so the door latch fits into them.  

Rob    

On Oct 18, 2020, at 2:24 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Rob, will this help AA 73918 door
Fenton

On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 4:55 PM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

Hi there,

I'm modelling one of these 9' IH Ann Arbor cars, and can't find sufficiently detailed photos of the door hardware: specifically the door latch mechanism bits and pieces.  Here is a link to a Jim Parker shot in the list photos section: https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/photo/43681/38?p=Created,,,20,2,20,0   Wondering if anyone has a higher resolution photo of one of these series of cars, or of the type of door hardware used.  

Thanks in advance for any help,

Rob Kirkham





--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...
<AA #73918 (2).jpg>


Some day those on-the-shelf factory painted kits will be sought after

Andy Carlson
 

Hi Folks-
We have seen a history of over production of factory painted kits which were made in quantities that the increasing movement of modelers to RTR saw kits to be over produced. These gluts lead to huge discounting; remember P2K Mather stock car kits going for only $5?

I can see that the current escalation of of retail pricing, even on reissued RTR cars from tooling made decades ago, will garner interest in finding these older bargain kits. I especially see new interest in Branchline 40' and 50' box cars, but Red Caboose and Intermountain cars should reach similar interests.

With an increasingly collective knowledgeable data base, these cheap kits offer an opportunity to do corrections that many modern RTR freight cars suffer from. Many new box cars arrive with obviously incorrect components applied from the factory. The interest in the correct components used on whole classes of box cars buoyed from those great lists made by Ed Hawkins (Who ranks up as high as Evergreen Styrene strips as to adding immensely to the importance of fine modeling). Instead of retro fitting correct components to a factory built car, the savvy modeler can incorporate them in the kit building process. The win/win aspect of this is great accurate models done at lower than market price for today's issued freight cars. An additional win is offered from the joy of kit building.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Ann Arbor 73750 to 73998 door hardware?

O Fenton Wells
 

Rob, will this help AA 73918 door
Fenton

On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 4:55 PM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

Hi there,

I'm modelling one of these 9' IH Ann Arbor cars, and can't find sufficiently detailed photos of the door hardware: specifically the door latch mechanism bits and pieces.  Here is a link to a Jim Parker shot in the list photos section: https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/photo/43681/38?p=Created,,,20,2,20,0   Wondering if anyone has a higher resolution photo of one of these series of cars, or of the type of door hardware used.  

Thanks in advance for any help,

Rob Kirkham



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Ann Arbor 73750 to 73998 door hardware?

Robert kirkham
 

Hi there,

I'm modelling one of these 9' IH Ann Arbor cars, and can't find sufficiently detailed photos of the door hardware: specifically the door latch mechanism bits and pieces.  Here is a link to a Jim Parker shot in the list photos section: https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/photo/43681/38?p=Created,,,20,2,20,0   Wondering if anyone has a higher resolution photo of one of these series of cars, or of the type of door hardware used.  

Thanks in advance for any help,

Rob Kirkham


Re: Digital Caliper Recommendation

Ken Adams
 

On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 08:12 AM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
Mitutoyo digital calipers
Eric and all that have offered suggestions. HO or other selectable scale digital calibration on Calipers is just a dream. My phone calculator is usually close at hand for scale conversion calculations when needed.  A spreadsheet on the PC next to my workbench allows saved conversion formulas. I approximate the ancient imperial fractions if needed to the nearest 1/4 HO scale foot. 


Much as I would love to buy the exquisite Mitutoyo digital calipers, I have decided on a $25 Amazon Vinca DCLA-0605 model  replacement delivered to my doorstep sometime tomorrow.  It will actually be an upgrade over the 6 year old Harbor Freight version that remains misplaced somewhere in time or my townhouse.  I guess I am coming down on the "cheap" side these days but my railway dollars only stretch so far. 
 
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Re: Digital Caliper Recommendation

Eric Hansmann
 

I second the recommendation on the Mitutoyo digital calipers. I bought one last year and have used it more than I would have expected. It was a big assist on a couple of model builds.

 

Yes, it was pricey but good tools are worth the cost over the years.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert J. Amsler, Jr.
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2020 7:40 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Digital Caliper Recommendation

 

I use Mitutoyo digital calipers that you can find on Amazon.   They can be zeroed out.  They are very accurate.

 

Robert J. Amsler, Jr.

514 Dover Place

Saint Louis, Missouri 63111

(314) 606-6118  (Telephone)

(314) 754-2688  (Facsimile)

MPFan1@...

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mopacfirst
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2020 4:26 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Digital Caliper Recommendation

 

I have a plastic analog (dial) one made by General, which had HO and O scale divisions on it.  From the looks of the letter and number style on it, I wonder if it's German.  Have had it for maybe 15 or 20 years.

It no longer has the O scale divisions on it, because I got confused every time I looked at it to try to take a measurement, so I took a black Sharpie and colored over the O scale numbers.  Crude, but.....

As an engineer, I generally don't want to see numbers that are too accurate, that are more accurate than I can reproduce or that I need.  So wherever the little pointer lands, if it says something is around 6 scale inches, for example, I'm happy with it.  If I was machining something that needed close tolerances, or I needed to stack several things whose tolerances needed to add to a specific value, that would be different, but for my modeling, in general, this is the proper degree of precision for me.

Ron Merrick


Re: Digital Caliper Recommendation

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

The PFM HO caliper is an all metal conventional Vernier caliper (not a "dial”). It’s of excellent construction and reads in both HO inches and 1/000”. It’s easy to use once you learn how to read a Vernier. It’s a great HO modeling tool.

While dial calipers have largely superseded Vernier calipers, being easier to read, they are more delicate and subject to errors from the gear-rack.

Today digital (electronic) calipers are popular and have some advantages. I use them, but it seems that every time I need one the battery is dead or has lost contact. Then it’s grab the dial caliper. Or reach in the toolbox and drag out the trusty old Vernier. There’s just nothing to go wrong with them (short of physical destruction).

Dan Mitchell
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On Oct 17, 2020, at 9:33 PM, James SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:

General makes a plastic dial cal that has HO readout. I use Harbor freight digital in the train room and Mitutoya dial cal in the shop. The Harbor freight is inexpensive and good. 
 
 
J. Stephen Sandifer
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jon Miller
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2020 1:39 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Digital Caliper Recommendation
 
On 10/17/2020 11:22 AM, Gene Semon wrote:
PFM had a dial caliper in plastic & metal versions years ago that measured in in HO scale.

    The only PFM one I have seen (not saying there were not others) was not a dial caliper, was metal, and is going for in excess of $100.

    Low cost metal dial (or digital) calipers can be had at Harbor Freight.  Twenty bucks and if you can get a monthly handout usually 20% off.

    eBay 

eBay item number:
272740496214
 
    $6.80, looks to be the same as HF?
-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS



Re: Photo: FGEX 35754 With Potato Load (1943)

Bill Parks
 

Jack - 

Your eyes are better than mine (maybe I should stop ignoring the emails from my eye doctor reminding me it's time for new glasses) :) 
--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: NC&StL 36' XM-32 rebuilt boxcar

Allan Smith
 

There is an article by Martin Lofton in the July 1990 Mainline Modeler on the XM-32 cars 20000-21399 with plans. There are also numerus photos on line and several models available.


Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Saturday, October 17, 2020, 03:48:38 PM PDT, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:


List,

I am still looking for information on this car.  I would like to either kit-bash it or if someone has a Sunshine kit #97.2-97.6 and they would be willing to trade for another Sunshine kit or sell it to me.  I thought that I had one lined up to purchase, but I have not been able to contact the guy again.  Thanks in advance.

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Re: Digital Caliper Recommendation

Steve SANDIFER
 

General makes a plastic dial cal that has HO readout. I use Harbor freight digital in the train room and Mitutoya dial cal in the shop. The Harbor freight is inexpensive and good.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jon Miller
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2020 1:39 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Digital Caliper Recommendation

 

On 10/17/2020 11:22 AM, Gene Semon wrote:

PFM had a dial caliper in plastic & metal versions years ago that measured in in HO scale.

    The only PFM one I have seen (not saying there were not others) was not a dial caliper, was metal, and is going for in excess of $100.

    Low cost metal dial (or digital) calipers can be had at Harbor Freight.  Twenty bucks and if you can get a monthly handout usually 20% off.

    eBay

eBay item number:

272740496214

 

    $6.80, looks to be the same as HF?

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Photo: FGEX 35754 With Potato Load (1943)

Jack Mullen
 

Well spotted, but on close inspection I believe the header reads "How to STORE Winter Keeping Potatoes".
So not recipes but instructions to store in a cool, dark, dry place.  Common advice long before the Traveling Wilburys' song.   ;^)

Jack Mullen


Re: Digital Caliper Recommendation

Robert J. Amsler, Jr.
 

I use Mitutoyo digital calipers that you can find on Amazon.   They can be zeroed out.  They are very accurate.

 

Robert J. Amsler, Jr.

514 Dover Place

Saint Louis, Missouri 63111

(314) 606-6118  (Telephone)

(314) 754-2688  (Facsimile)

MPFan1@...

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mopacfirst
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2020 4:26 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Digital Caliper Recommendation

 

I have a plastic analog (dial) one made by General, which had HO and O scale divisions on it.  From the looks of the letter and number style on it, I wonder if it's German.  Have had it for maybe 15 or 20 years.

It no longer has the O scale divisions on it, because I got confused every time I looked at it to try to take a measurement, so I took a black Sharpie and colored over the O scale numbers.  Crude, but.....

As an engineer, I generally don't want to see numbers that are too accurate, that are more accurate than I can reproduce or that I need.  So wherever the little pointer lands, if it says something is around 6 scale inches, for example, I'm happy with it.  If I was machining something that needed close tolerances, or I needed to stack several things whose tolerances needed to add to a specific value, that would be different, but for my modeling, in general, this is the proper degree of precision for me.

Ron Merrick


Re: Two Compartment HO Scale Tank Cars: Who Made Them?

Tony Thompson
 

      All the SC&F tank cars are terrific models. I have four built, one to go.

Tony Thompson




SCCX 682 tank car from Vintage Portland site 1937

David
 

Longitudinal-course STC car, one of 79 ordered by Shell Oil of California in 1923. The car to the left is a pre-1917 GATC tank, probably another Shell car judging by what is visible of the pressure test data.

David Thompson


Re: Photo: FGEX 35754 With Potato Load (1943)

Bill Parks
 

The top half of it looks like it says "How to Serve Winter Keeping Potatoes".  So I'm guessing the lower half is recipe recommendations
--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: NC&StL 36' XM-32 rebuilt boxcar

Chuck Cover
 

List,

I am still looking for information on this car.  I would like to either kit-bash it or if someone has a Sunshine kit #97.2-97.6 and they would be willing to trade for another Sunshine kit or sell it to me.  I thought that I had one lined up to purchase, but I have not been able to contact the guy again.  Thanks in advance.

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM

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