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[PRR] Announcing Virtual PRR Day!

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

The PRR T&HS is planning a virtual PRR Day on November 7, 2020, through zoom, rather than traveling for an in-person meeting. 
     Thanks to Auburn University, we will be able to host presentations on the history of the PRR and modeling the PRR by experienced speakers. 
     There is no registration fee, but you will need to register in advance, since participation will be limited to 300. Registration is open now; go to 

 

     In order to have a virtual meeting of a very large group, we ask everyone to abide by the following ground rules: 
  1. No oral interruptions during the 40-minute presentations. 
  2. A 10-minite question-answer time is reserved after each presentation.  
  3. Type your questions to the chat window, which is enabled by a button at the bottom of the screen. For each presentation, a host will monitor the chat window and present questions to the speaker in the order received. 
  4. Please remain in ‘mute’ mode throughout. The microphones on devices are adept at picking up background noise which will hinder the presentation’s audibility. The mute button is typically in the lower left of the screen. 
  5. Please do not share the zoom information with anyone after registering. 

         The schedule of presentations is below.  All times are for the Eastern Time Zone (USA). 
Time 
Title 
Speaker 
9:00-9:40 AM 
From PRR to SEPTA:  How to Operate a Commuter Service and Get Someone Else to Pay for It 
Albert Churella 
10:00-10:40  
Transporting Transformers-Westinghouse Sharon Plant 
Rob Bennett 
11:00-11:40  
The Pennsylvania Station, New York:  Past, Present and Future 
George Chiasson 

 

Break 

 

2:00-2:40 PM 
Modeling the PRR prewar Hopper Fleet 
John Frantz 
3:00-3:40 PM 
The PRR in 1946 and 1947 - Photographs of Wayne Brumbaugh 
Doug Nelson 
4:00-4:40 PM 
Altoona Station,  Logan House, and FG Tower 
Claus Schlund 

 

Break 

 

7:00-7:40 PM 
Plan Big, Build Small(er): Prototypical Layout Planning for Flexibility 
Angela Sutton 
8:00-8:40 PM 
Modeling the Pennsy in the Monongahela Valley: 2020 Update 
Dave Wilson 

 

    For those presentations where the presenter is willing to be recorded, we are exploring ways to make the recordings viewable after November 7. 
    If you are new to zoom, we will schedule a chance for you to test your access a few days before November 7.  

This meeting has been organized by a group of PRRT&HS folks: Ralph Weischedel (chair), Joe Acri, John Frantz, Tim Garner, and me.

I look forward to seeing many of you there!
Regards,
Bruce 
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Some day those on-the-shelf factory painted kits will be sought after

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Andy,
Another important addition to these RTR cars can be metal grabs or Kadee grabs, new running boards, ladders and stirrups from Yarmouth.

Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"


On Monday, October 19, 2020, 02:18:52 PM CDT, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Tony, I think he meant invest in plastic, not turn it to trash!

     Well, he just meant "get into the plastics industry," which of course hopes not to ever have to face up to the trash problem.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: Southern Automobile Boxcar 311006 (1938)

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Johannes,

I believe that is a Union RR (URR) steel mil gondola.  F&C makes these with a variety of different steel RR decals.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Two Compartment HO Scale Tank Cars: Who Made Them?

Tony Thompson
 

Jon Miller wrote:

    Interesting enough is Red Ball (type material, lead) seems to have lasted 70 years and is still going :-D!

     And plenty of Zamac is fine too, if it was made properly. I have a Varney box car from before World War II, with a Zamac frame, and it's fine. And I had a few Zamac trucks that swelled up and cracked within 10 years of purchase.

Tony Thompson




Re: Some day those on-the-shelf factory painted kits will be sought after

Tony Thompson
 

Tony, I think he meant invest in plastic, not turn it to trash!

     Well, he just meant "get into the plastics industry," which of course hopes not to ever have to face up to the trash problem.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: Southern Automobile Boxcar 311006 (1938)

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Bob,
 
either you or another member posted this link/ photo about a year ago.
 
The gondola is more interesting, at least for me. The vertical side posts are arranged with different spacing which I don't recall seeing very often.
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
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Photo: Southern Automobile Boxcar 311006 (1938)

A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh website:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.3841794.CP/viewer

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: MKT Boxcar 7405 (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: MKT Boxcar 7405 (Undated)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/41044/rec/3

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Two Compartment HO Scale Tank Cars: Who Made Them?

william darnaby
 

I have one of those Globe 2 compartment cars running on the railroad and it is lettered UTLX 87xx if I remember correctly.  No doubt a foobie but I still like it.  I also have a mint kit of that 2 compartment car in a Globe box lettered for GATX.  I should probably give it to a hobby shop museum.

Bill Darnaby

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Photo: Southern Automobile Boxcar 311006 (1938)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Southern Automobile Boxcar 311006 (1938)

A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh website:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.3841794.CP/viewer

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Applying Miller Lube Packing To A PRR H-21 Hopper (1955)

william darnaby
 

I got to meet Mr. Miller some 40 years ago at the Miller-Felpax plant in Winona and he must have been about 90 at that time.  I was the project engineer at EMD responsible for the wick lubricators that applied the oil to the bronze traction motor suspension bearings.  The company got its start with what you see in the photo and they transitioned to locomotive support bearings, especially as they saw the transition to freight car roller bearings.  They had a patented and very secretive process...they would not even tell us or GE how it worked...to maximize the wicking of oil in the wicks that were made of felt.  Of course, that same roller bearing technology caught up with them for new locomotives too but I am sure there is still quite an aftermarket for old locos.

Bill Darnaby



On Monday, October 19, 2020, 12:43:40 PM CDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photo: Applying Miller Lube Packing To A PRR H-21 Hopper (1955)

A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_20735?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=36c2adf3539191ccdf0d&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=36&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=6

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

 

Hemet, CA

 


Photo: Applying Miller Lube Packing To A PRR H-21 Hopper (1955)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Applying Miller Lube Packing To A PRR H-21 Hopper (1955)

A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_20735?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=36c2adf3539191ccdf0d&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=36&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=6

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

 

Hemet, CA

 


Re: [External] Re: [RealSTMFC] Some day those on-the-shelf factory painted kits will be sought after

naptownprr
 

I remember Hoffman's character going under water with  googles, but I don't think he was under water when he got the message about getting a job in plastics.  He couldn't have heard the message under water!  

.

Could we revert to other materials for modeling? Could we go back to Silverstreak? I've still got a couple of those old models on my layout. 


Jim Hunter


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I always interpreted the movie line to mean get a job in the plastics industry...If I remember correctly Dustin Hoffman was literally underwater when it was delivered at a party thrown by his parents to celebrate his college graduation. Of course that's where he meets Ann Bancroft's character, the infamous Mrs. Robinson and....

I have always used this comment line as bit of humor to puncture the reverence given resin kits in this and several other forums,  but Tony's comment is reality. Though insignificant in terms of the worlds volume of plastic output and less likely to pollute the oceans and beaches, there is a tinge of ethical guilt in our modeling using both materials which come from carbon based sources. Could we revert to other less problematic materials these days. We should probably not think to deeply about this or it might force us to give up physical modeling entirely and move to pure virtual models (dusting off the electronic train simulators populated by CAD images?) where we will have to satisfy our imaginary railroad worlds solely with agitated electrons. 
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Some day those on-the-shelf factory painted kits will be sought after

Ken Adams
 

I always interpreted the movie line to mean get a job in the plastics industry...If I remember correctly Dustin Hoffman was literally underwater when it was delivered at a party thrown by his parents to celebrate his college graduation. Of course that's where he meets Ann Bancroft's character, the infamous Mrs. Robinson and....

I have always used this comment line as bit of humor to puncture the reverence given resin kits in this and several other forums,  but Tony's comment is reality. Though insignificant in terms of the worlds volume of plastic output and less likely to pollute the oceans and beaches, there is a tinge of ethical guilt in our modeling using both materials which come from carbon based sources. Could we revert to other less problematic materials these days. We should probably not think to deeply about this or it might force us to give up physical modeling entirely and move to pure virtual models (dusting off the electronic train simulators populated by CAD images?) where we will have to satisfy our imaginary railroad worlds solely with agitated electrons. 
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: Two Compartment HO Scale Tank Cars: Who Made Them?

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 10/18/2020 5:50 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
if you wanted him to use better material so his castings would last 70 years.

    Interesting enough is Red Ball (type material, lead) seems to have lasted 70 years and is still going :-D!

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Model progress

Eric Hansmann
 

I’ve shared progress updates on a few models in my latest blog post. Details are from a couple months ago but some detail techniques may help you along. Enjoy!

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2020/10/19/workbench-update-august-and-september-2020/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 


Re: Ann Arbor 73750 to 73998 door hardware?

Jack Mullen
 

On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 03:26 PM, Robert kirkham wrote:
My impression is that the door post has two castings mounted to it - the upper and lower - and so the door latch fits into them.  
Rob,
There are two distinct mechanisms, each having a casting riveted to the door post. The upper is the door starter and closer, which uses a lever (the vertical handle) to force the door tightly closed, or start it opening.
The lower is the latch. A slotted hasp retained by the long strap on the door fits over a loop or eye projecting outward from the casting on the door post. Then a vertical pin or wedge secured to the casting is dropped thru the eye, securing the hasp.
This division into two separate components is pretty common in the period. Various manufacturers' products may differ quite a bit in detail and appearance, but mostly similar in principle.
The Focus on Freight Cars books on boxcars will have some helpful photos, but not necessarily of the specific device you're looking for.
Jack Mullen


Re: Some day those on-the-shelf factory painted kits will be sought after

benjamin
 

Tony, I think he meant invest in plastic, not turn it to trash!


Re: Digital Caliper Recommendation

Matt Goodman
 

And a third on the Mitutoyo. Mentioned in passing in this thread was the battery life question. One of the reasons I chose the Mitutoyo was it’s claim that it had better power management, leading to better battery life. Coming from a series of decent dial calipers that don’t require batteries, this was an important point for me. 

I bought my Mitutoyo 6” caliper (500-196-30) in December, 2016, and am still on the same battery. I’m more impressed every day.

One other thing, and this is a bit squishy. For a short time, I had an inexpensive digital caliper that I bought for the metric conversion feature. The “feel” was sandy and crusty-like, and it lacked a thumbwheel. Both things make measuring small things more difficult.

Typing the above, I remembered I wrote about this on my lightly-used MRH blog four years ago. It still describes my feelings well (minus the unknown battery life).


Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio, US

On Oct 18, 2020, at 11:12 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

I second the recommendation on the Mitutoyo digital calipers. I bought one last year and have used it more than I would have expected. It was a big assist on a couple of model builds. 
 
Yes, it was pricey but good tools are worth the cost over the years.
 
 
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
 
 
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert J. Amsler, Jr.
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I use Mitutoyo digital calipers that you can find on Amazon.   They can be zeroed out.  They are very accurate.
 
Robert J. Amsler, Jr.
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I have a plastic analog (dial) one made by General, which had HO and O scale divisions on it.  From the looks of the letter and number style on it, I wonder if it's German.  Have had it for maybe 15 or 20 years.

It no longer has the O scale divisions on it, because I got confused every time I looked at it to try to take a measurement, so I took a black Sharpie and colored over the O scale numbers.  Crude, but.....

As an engineer, I generally don't want to see numbers that are too accurate, that are more accurate than I can reproduce or that I need.  So wherever the little pointer lands, if it says something is around 6 scale inches, for example, I'm happy with it.  If I was machining something that needed close tolerances, or I needed to stack several things whose tolerances needed to add to a specific value, that would be different, but for my modeling, in general, this is the proper degree of precision for me.

Ron Merrick 



Re: Two Compartment HO Scale Tank Cars: Who Made Them?

Tony Thompson
 

Hugh Guillaume wrote:

 I do not know who produced the Bessemer flat car but it is not Varney.  I remember building an EJ&E green Varney metal flat car when I was about fifteen years old.  

    Hugh, here is a photo of a Varney underframe on a metal flat car. Is your B&LE car like this?

Tony Thompson




Re: Some day those on-the-shelf factory painted kits will be sought after

Tony Thompson
 

Ken Adams wrote:

Lets hear it for the Plastic Kits and remember the advice to Dustin Hoffman in "The Graduate"…..

     The movie, of course, was somewhat prior to there being millions of tons of plastic trash in the ocean.

Tony Thompson



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