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PRR and other coke cars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Folks;

 

Have any of you turned up any more on these cars?

 

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_12857

 

Was there a method behind the madness of using wooden box cars, and not hoppers, for shipping potentially hot coke?

 

I have not found the correspondence on this, but would sure like to understand.

 

Elden Gatwood

 


Re: racks in a stock car 1940

Benjamin Hom
 

Elden Gatwood asked:
"How were these racks used?  If for poultry, how unloaded?

Car is equipped with temporary racks for tomatoes for Campbell.  See The Keystone Vol. 17 No. 2 (1984) for more details.


Ben Hom


racks in a stock car 1940

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Folks;

 

How were these racks used?  If for poultry, how unloaded?

 

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_12653

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood


Re: Photo: Southern Automobile Boxcar 311006 (1938)

Mark Vinski
 

It was for automobile furniture;  the front and back seats.
Mark Vinski


Re: Model progress

Michael Gross
 

Great upgrades, Eric, and thanks for the step by step photos!

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Looking for a copy of the MDT reefer book

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Hello,
     I had, but now cannot find, my copy of the book on MDT reefers. In my mind I'm trying to remember if I loaned it out and never had it returned or misplaced it when I moved my books prior to a repainting of the room I had them stored in. So, if anyone knows of a copy for sale I'd appreciate hearing about it. I'm sure my original copy will show up once I purchase another!
      Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Photo: SLRX 4539 (Circa 1947)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Another interesting shot, Bob.  I don’t recall seeing an end constructed this way as early as 1947.

Was this car in service in this scheme, or is this a builder’s image which was repainted after the photo was taken?

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SLRX 4539 (Circa 1947)

 

Photo: SLRX 4539 (Circa 1947)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/12368/rec/1

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Buffalo, Rochester & Pittsburg Boxcar 4076 (Circa 1915)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, Bob, for sending these around.  This shot in particular is amazingly sharp,  It’s almost clear what even the small the lettering is on the car. 

 

And one other thing: after looking at this car, are we still debating how deep the scoring on our models to replicate the appearance of cars like this?  This makes my old Main Line Models cars look very realistic.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 2:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buffalo, Rochester & Pittsburg Boxcar 4076 (Circa 1915)

 

Photo: Buffalo, Rochester & Pittsburg Boxcar 4076 (Circa 1915)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/24566/rec/1

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Buffalo, Rochester & Pittsburg Boxcar 4076 (Circa 1915)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Buffalo, Rochester & Pittsburg Boxcar 4076 (Circa 1915)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/24566/rec/1

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Rio Grande Flatcar 23018 (1956)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Rio Grande Flatcar 23018 (1956)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/12757/rec/9

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: SLRX 4539 (Circa 1947)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: SLRX 4539 (Circa 1947)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/12368/rec/1

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Southern Automobile Boxcar 311006 (1938)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

 

That photo was the topic of much conversation when it first was posted on the Pitt site.

 

That and a group of adjacent photos were taken to document how utility improvements were affecting the ROW of the 3 railroads, P&LE specifically, being in foreground. 

 

That SOU box car is, IMO, bound for the Gimbels warehouse on the Whitehall Branch of the PRR, to rear.  I would bet it has (or had) a load of furniture to be sold in the downtown headquarters of the Gimbels Department Store.  It and the Union RR gon are sitting in PRR’s 21rd St Yard which runs to right as stub tracks, and left to their juncture at 23rd Street.  PRR and P&LE used the Allegheny & South Side RR for local switching of the industries further downstream to right.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 2:22 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Southern Automobile Boxcar 311006 (1938)

 

Hello Bob,

 

either you or another member posted this link/ photo about a year ago.

 

The gondola is more interesting, at least for me. The vertical side posts are arranged with different spacing which I don't recall seeing very often.

 

Johannes

Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

 

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Photo: Southern Automobile Boxcar 311006 (1938)

A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh website:

Blockedhttps://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.3841794.CP/viewer

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


ABLC Brakes

David
 

This is a variation on the general theme of empty-load brakes: the idea being that a lesser braking force is applied when the car is empty. Earlier systems used two brake cylinders of different sizes, while this one uses a reducing valve to modulate the single cylinder.

David Thompson


Re: Photo: Southern Automobile Boxcar 311006 (1938)

O Fenton Wells
 

Good one Bruce if we were in North Carolina Festus would have said, yup a Suth'rn car, made of wood right Billy Bob?  Probably fix'in to go over to Mt Pilot.
Fenton

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 4:25 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
We now take you to Buford, Wyoming. Two “men of the road” are sitting at their campfire arguing about this car, as it was set out by a freight on a siding for a bad bearing around a week ago. Fortunately, while the Fast Mail is also stuck in town, it’s not blocking their view of the car

“It's a furniture car”
“no, it’s an automobile car”
“no, I say it’s a furniture car”
“you're wrong, it says right on the side it’s an automobile car”
“no you’re wrong! it says right on the side it’s a furniture car!"

Just as things are about to get heated, a 3rd man walks up

“I know, let’s ask Mike. He’ll know”
“Hey Mike, is that a furniture or an automobile car”

Mike replies, “I have no idea! It's not from around here!”

And now back to your regular programming. 
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Oct 19, 2020, at 1:16 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: Southern Automobile Boxcar 311006 (1938)
A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh website:
Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



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ABLC Brakes

Jeffrey White
 

Last night I was going through the bound 1947 set of Illinois Central employee magazines that I picked up on eBay a couple weeks back. In the November issue I found an article on ABLC brakes that the 400 55 ton hoppers (starting with 73600) the IC bought from GATC that year were delivered with.  These brakes were different then a standard AB brake in that they had a compensating valve, a larger combined air reservoir, a 12 inch brake cylinder with a 5 inch piston travel, weighing gear consisting of a bar installed between the truck side frames and weighing gear on the center sill. The degree of car loading is measured by the amount of truck spring compression as determined by the amount of travel necessary to move a weighing hook into engagement with the weighing bar.

For modeling purposes the only visible parts would be the compensating valve and the additional piping.  I'm attacking the photo from the article.

I was unaware that these brakes existed before I came across the article.

Jeff White

Alma, IL


Re: Photo: Southern Automobile Boxcar 311006 (1938)

vapeurchapelon
 

Thanks for this hint, Todd!
 
Best regards
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
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Hi Johannes,

I believe that is a Union RR (URR) steel mil gondola.  F&C makes these with a variety of different steel RR decals.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Photo: MKT Boxcar 7405 (Undated)

earlyrail
 

Not listed in the Aug 1892 ORER
Listed in Jun 1893 - 716 cars  series 6900-7621
1899 series splits,
6900-7399 473 cars and 7493-7818 117 car
   same dimensions
1905  series 7100-7492  85 cars
(stopped at 1905 since that is my period of interest)
Howard Garner


Re: Photo: Southern Automobile Boxcar 311006 (1938)

Bruce Smith
 

We now take you to Buford, Wyoming. Two “men of the road” are sitting at their campfire arguing about this car, as it was set out by a freight on a siding for a bad bearing around a week ago. Fortunately, while the Fast Mail is also stuck in town, it’s not blocking their view of the car

“It's a furniture car”
“no, it’s an automobile car”
“no, I say it’s a furniture car”
“you're wrong, it says right on the side it’s an automobile car”
“no you’re wrong! it says right on the side it’s a furniture car!"

Just as things are about to get heated, a 3rd man walks up

“I know, let’s ask Mike. He’ll know”
“Hey Mike, is that a furniture or an automobile car”

Mike replies, “I have no idea! It's not from around here!”

And now back to your regular programming. 
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Oct 19, 2020, at 1:16 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: Southern Automobile Boxcar 311006 (1938)
A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh website:
Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


[PRR] Announcing Virtual PRR Day!

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

The PRR T&HS is planning a virtual PRR Day on November 7, 2020, through zoom, rather than traveling for an in-person meeting. 
     Thanks to Auburn University, we will be able to host presentations on the history of the PRR and modeling the PRR by experienced speakers. 
     There is no registration fee, but you will need to register in advance, since participation will be limited to 300. Registration is open now; go to 

 

     In order to have a virtual meeting of a very large group, we ask everyone to abide by the following ground rules: 
  1. No oral interruptions during the 40-minute presentations. 
  2. A 10-minite question-answer time is reserved after each presentation.  
  3. Type your questions to the chat window, which is enabled by a button at the bottom of the screen. For each presentation, a host will monitor the chat window and present questions to the speaker in the order received. 
  4. Please remain in ‘mute’ mode throughout. The microphones on devices are adept at picking up background noise which will hinder the presentation’s audibility. The mute button is typically in the lower left of the screen. 
  5. Please do not share the zoom information with anyone after registering. 

         The schedule of presentations is below.  All times are for the Eastern Time Zone (USA). 
Time 
Title 
Speaker 
9:00-9:40 AM 
From PRR to SEPTA:  How to Operate a Commuter Service and Get Someone Else to Pay for It 
Albert Churella 
10:00-10:40  
Transporting Transformers-Westinghouse Sharon Plant 
Rob Bennett 
11:00-11:40  
The Pennsylvania Station, New York:  Past, Present and Future 
George Chiasson 

 

Break 

 

2:00-2:40 PM 
Modeling the PRR prewar Hopper Fleet 
John Frantz 
3:00-3:40 PM 
The PRR in 1946 and 1947 - Photographs of Wayne Brumbaugh 
Doug Nelson 
4:00-4:40 PM 
Altoona Station,  Logan House, and FG Tower 
Claus Schlund 

 

Break 

 

7:00-7:40 PM 
Plan Big, Build Small(er): Prototypical Layout Planning for Flexibility 
Angela Sutton 
8:00-8:40 PM 
Modeling the Pennsy in the Monongahela Valley: 2020 Update 
Dave Wilson 

 

    For those presentations where the presenter is willing to be recorded, we are exploring ways to make the recordings viewable after November 7. 
    If you are new to zoom, we will schedule a chance for you to test your access a few days before November 7.  

This meeting has been organized by a group of PRRT&HS folks: Ralph Weischedel (chair), Joe Acri, John Frantz, Tim Garner, and me.

I look forward to seeing many of you there!
Regards,
Bruce 
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Some day those on-the-shelf factory painted kits will be sought after

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Andy,
Another important addition to these RTR cars can be metal grabs or Kadee grabs, new running boards, ladders and stirrups from Yarmouth.

Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"


On Monday, October 19, 2020, 02:18:52 PM CDT, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Tony, I think he meant invest in plastic, not turn it to trash!

     Well, he just meant "get into the plastics industry," which of course hopes not to ever have to face up to the trash problem.

Tony Thompson



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