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Re: Photo: SLRX 4539 (Circa 1947)

Barry Bennett
 

I have a photo of 4815 which is near identical with these ends built in 1937.

Barry Bennett, UK

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 00:01, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
Friends,

This car was a great find, but it is not quite unique. It is from series 4500-4599 and is an RB, or bunkerless refrigerator. 

What I find most interesting is that we've seen these ends before. A picture posted here sometime ago (I think) shows similar car 4216, part of 4200-4224 which has a similar end. Interesting that this car has an overhanging roof. This car has a 1940 build date, so I would not surprised if it is actually a rebuild, but who knows.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 2:42 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: SLRX 4539 (Circa 1947)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/12368/rec/1

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR and other coke cars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

George;

 

You are certainly right.  Yet the PRR also owned scores of purpose-built coke hoppers (H22).  Plenty for everything the PRR did with coke.  And who the heck wanted to unload a box car full of coke?  I get the “cheap labor” picture, but sheesh.

 

Elden Gatwood.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Courtney via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 6:21 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR and other coke cars

 

I don't know, but it would be cheaper to rebuild old boxcars than assign coal cars to coke service.  I do know by mid-1950's the Interstate had hoppers for use in coke service.  

George Courtney


Re: Is this "DowelLoc" flooring in this box car?

earlyrail
 

Don't know about the brand name,
but it is some type of nailable steel floor

Howard Garner


Re: Photo: FGEX 35754 With Potato Load (1943)

Bill Welch
 

Also note FGEX 35754 has retrofitted Hutchins, (note typical hatch rest with the metal roof) while the WFEX truss rod car has the original double board roof. Some of these old roofs survived into the late 1940's. BREX truss rod cars survived with these wood roofs until they were scrapped.


Re: Photo: FGEX 35754 With Potato Load (1943)

Bill Welch
 

FGEX 35754 is an example of the FGE 1921 style underframe retrofitted w/4-inch steel channel lower sill, also built for WFEX after July 1923. Second car is a WFE Truss Rod reefer. Most FGE/WFE and I THINK most BRE potato traffic originated from Hastings, FLA. (FGE territory) and from WFE territory. In the winter, heaters were used for cars heading east in the winter. The change  from Ice to heaters was labor intensive often requiring some method to melt the ice (propane torches being one method). Pears, onions, potatoes, and apples were among the veggies that did well in cold storage and thus were good candidates for storage and then to be shipped as market prices went up.


Re: Photo: SLRX 4539 (Circa 1947)

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

This car was a great find, but it is not quite unique. It is from series 4500-4599 and is an RB, or bunkerless refrigerator. 

What I find most interesting is that we've seen these ends before. A picture posted here sometime ago (I think) shows similar car 4216, part of 4200-4224 which has a similar end. Interesting that this car has an overhanging roof. This car has a 1940 build date, so I would not surprised if it is actually a rebuild, but who knows.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 2:42 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: SLRX 4539 (Circa 1947)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/12368/rec/1

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: PRR and other coke cars

CJ Riley
 

Coke was quenched for cooling and handling as it came out of the ovens. Photos of beehive ovens show spigots and hoses between ovens. It could also be bagged for smaller deliveries.




Re: PRR and other coke cars

George Courtney
 

I don't know, but it would be cheaper to rebuild old boxcars than assign coal cars to coke service.  I do know by mid-1950's the Interstate had hoppers for use in coke service.  

George Courtney


Is this "DowelLoc" flooring in this box car?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_22169

 

Nice vacuum, too!

 

Elden Gatwood


Re: Photo: Rio Grande Flatcar 23018 (1956)

Chad Boas
 

Look at the IC hopper in the background. One of these days, I will get around to redoing my kit for that car.
Chad Boas


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR and other coke cars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Mel;

 

Unfortunately, coke, but I am sure they hoped it wasn’t still hot!

 

I find these conversions really baffling.  Not a good idea.

 

PRR had some early conversions for wood chips, and others for sawdust, but they looked more like a regular box car. 

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 5:17 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Cc: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR and other coke cars

 

for sure, not hot coke, did the prr have any wood chip or saw dust business?

;-)

mel perry

 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020, 1:30 PM Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Folks;

 

Have any of you turned up any more on these cars?

 

Blockedhttps://digital.hagley.org/PRR_12857

 

Was there a method behind the madness of using wooden box cars, and not hoppers, for shipping potentially hot coke?

 

I have not found the correspondence on this, but would sure like to understand.

 

Elden Gatwood

 


Re: Looking for a copy of the MDT reefer book

ROGER HINMAN
 

I have copies, contact me off list for info


Roger Hinman


On Oct 20, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...> wrote:

Hello,
     I had, but now cannot find, my copy of the book on MDT reefers. In my mind I'm trying to remember if I loaned it out and never had it returned or misplaced it when I moved my books prior to a repainting of the room I had them stored in. So, if anyone knows of a copy for sale I'd appreciate hearing about it. I'm sure my original copy will show up once I purchase another!
      Bud Rindfleisch


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR and other coke cars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Doug;

 

The coke was quenched with water at the large plants, but it did not always behave.  Sometimes the pore space between hunks/chunks was too small to allow much water to penetrate, and it kept cooking.  There were also times the water cooked off too  quick, and chunks inside kept too hot.

 

There are some great photos of toasted box cars with hot coke still inside, while the wood is all burnt off.

 

I saw several cooked cars around the big by-products plants around Pittsburgh, growing up.  They were easy to ID.

 

The Morning Sun Color Guide on the Rock Island (IIRC), has a great one.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 5:22 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR and other coke cars

 

Wasn’t the coke quenched in water before loading into cars?

 

Doug Harding

Blockedwww.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 3:30 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] PRR and other coke cars

 

Folks;

 

Have any of you turned up any more on these cars?

 

Blockedhttps://digital.hagley.org/PRR_12857

 

Was there a method behind the madness of using wooden box cars, and not hoppers, for shipping potentially hot coke?

 

I have not found the correspondence on this, but would sure like to understand.

 

Elden Gatwood

 


Re: PRR and other coke cars

Douglas Harding
 

Wasn’t the coke quenched in water before loading into cars?

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 3:30 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] PRR and other coke cars

 

Folks;

 

Have any of you turned up any more on these cars?

 

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_12857

 

Was there a method behind the madness of using wooden box cars, and not hoppers, for shipping potentially hot coke?

 

I have not found the correspondence on this, but would sure like to understand.

 

Elden Gatwood

 


Re: PRR and other coke cars

mel perry
 

for sure, not hot coke, did the prr have any wood chip or saw dust business?
;-)
mel perry

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020, 1:30 PM Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Folks;

 

Have any of you turned up any more on these cars?

 

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_12857

 

Was there a method behind the madness of using wooden box cars, and not hoppers, for shipping potentially hot coke?

 

I have not found the correspondence on this, but would sure like to understand.

 

Elden Gatwood

 


Re: Model progress

Eric Hansmann
 

Thank you, Michael!

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Gross
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 2:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Model progress

 

Great upgrades, Eric, and thanks for the step by step photos!

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: Photo: Buffalo, Rochester & Pittsburg Boxcar 4076 (Circa 1915)

Eric Hansmann
 

Thanks for posting this, Bob!

 

This might be a little earlier than the 1915 date indicated on the site. I can’t quite read the weigh stencil but note the lack of proper sill steps and hand holds to meet the 1911 Safety Appliance Act amendment. The car was built in 1909-1910.

 

There was a lag in updating the cars to meet these new standards, so 1915 might be correct.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 1:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buffalo, Rochester & Pittsburg Boxcar 4076 (Circa 1915)

 

Photo: Buffalo, Rochester & Pittsburg Boxcar 4076 (Circa 1915)

Photo from the State Historical Society Of Missouri:

https://cdm17228.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/imc/id/24566/rec/1

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] racks in a stock car 1940

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks, Doug!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 4:31 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] racks in a stock car 1940

 

Elden, my understanding is the racks were for transporting flats of tomatoes. No livestock involved. Certainly not poultry. Attached is an interior photo of the racks.

 

Doug Harding

Blockedwww.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 3:15 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] racks in a stock car 1940

 

Folks;

 

How were these racks used?  If for poultry, how unloaded?

 

Blockedhttps://digital.hagley.org/PRR_12653

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] racks in a stock car 1940

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks, Ben!

 

I should have known you’d have the answer!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 4:22 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] racks in a stock car 1940

 

Elden Gatwood asked:

"How were these racks used?  If for poultry, how unloaded?

 

Car is equipped with temporary racks for tomatoes for Campbell.  See The Keystone Vol. 17 No. 2 (1984) for more details.

 

 

Ben Hom


Re: racks in a stock car 1940

Douglas Harding
 

Elden, my understanding is the racks were for transporting flats of tomatoes. No livestock involved. Certainly not poultry. Attached is an interior photo of the racks.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 3:15 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] racks in a stock car 1940

 

Folks;

 

How were these racks used?  If for poultry, how unloaded?

 

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_12653

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

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