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Re: Grand ol' RPM

Bill J.
 

Agreed.  It's a MUST-DO in '21.

Bill Jolitz


Re: ATSF in California

Douglas Harding
 

Tom here is where the photo comes from. https://www.chieftain.com/article/20090329/NEWS/303299970

The information may or may not be correct. I agree the dump is not like any I’ve seen. Reminds me of a cinder dump seen at many steam engine service facilities. Based on the vintage of the stockcar I would say the dump is very early and perhaps was replaced with a design more like the images you shared.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas Evans via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 8:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF in California

 

Hey Doug,

I'm very interested in that beet dump photo you posted, want to know more, and, of course, would like a better rendition.
I'm from Rocky Ford & have family connections with the factory there.
I've not seen that kind of dump before.
Most are either of the type in the attached photos, or, of course, the modern steel traveling dumps.

Tom E.


Re: Identity Of This Car? (Undated)

Brian Termunde
 

And also I DO see initials! <VBG> I'm trying to be cute, not argumentative BTW.

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah


Re: Identity Of This Car? (Undated)
From: Benjamin Hom
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 10:22:32 PDT
Bob Chaparro asked:
"Identity Of This Car? (Undated)

A photo from the Detroit Public Library:

Click and hold to enlarge photo.



Re: Identity Of This Car? (Undated)
From: Schuyler Larrabee
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 10:13:21 PDT
For starters, google TMER&L, no periods required.
 
Schuyler
 


Re: ATSF in California

Thomas Evans
 

Hey Doug,

I'm very interested in that beet dump photo you posted, want to know more, and, of course, would like a better rendition.
I'm from Rocky Ford & have family connections with the factory there.
I've not seen that kind of dump before.
Most are either of the type in the attached photos, or, of course, the modern steel traveling dumps.

Tom E.


Re: ATSF in California

Paul Doggett
 

Doug 

That’s am interesting photo.

Paul Doggett 


On 25 Oct 2020, at 13:05, Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:



Here is a poor quality photo of an ATSF stockcar being loaded with sugar beets, at Rocky Ford Colorado. ACS is American Crystal Sugar.

 

Everything I have sugar beets in California shows SP cars or cars owned by the sugar companies.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Doggett via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 5:32 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF in California

 

Bob

 

Thank you more interesting information.

 

Paul Doggett



On 25 Oct 2020, at 02:53, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



I credit SP expert Jason Hill for answering the question.

He stated, "There was a sugar beet loader at Arvin and several other jointly owned branches around the San Joaquin Valley. However, I believe these were handled by SP cars, which during ATSF operational periods on the branches were supplied by the SP in a reciprocal switching agreement, as the owner of the beets was sending them to the same refineries in CA regardless of which RR was operating the branch that year."
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

<Rocky Ford CO ACS beet dump.jpg>


Re: ATSF in California

Douglas Harding
 

Here is a poor quality photo of an ATSF stockcar being loaded with sugar beets, at Rocky Ford Colorado. ACS is American Crystal Sugar.

 

Everything I have sugar beets in California shows SP cars or cars owned by the sugar companies.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Doggett via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 5:32 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF in California

 

Bob

 

Thank you more interesting information.

 

Paul Doggett



On 25 Oct 2020, at 02:53, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



I credit SP expert Jason Hill for answering the question.

He stated, "There was a sugar beet loader at Arvin and several other jointly owned branches around the San Joaquin Valley. However, I believe these were handled by SP cars, which during ATSF operational periods on the branches were supplied by the SP in a reciprocal switching agreement, as the owner of the beets was sending them to the same refineries in CA regardless of which RR was operating the branch that year."
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: ATSF in California

Paul Doggett
 

Bob

Thank you more interesting information.

Paul Doggett


On 25 Oct 2020, at 02:53, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



I credit SP expert Jason Hill for answering the question.

He stated, "There was a sugar beet loader at Arvin and several other jointly owned branches around the San Joaquin Valley. However, I believe these were handled by SP cars, which during ATSF operational periods on the branches were supplied by the SP in a reciprocal switching agreement, as the owner of the beets was sending them to the same refineries in CA regardless of which RR was operating the branch that year."
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: ATSF in California

Bob Chaparro
 

I credit SP expert Jason Hill for answering the question.

He stated, "There was a sugar beet loader at Arvin and several other jointly owned branches around the San Joaquin Valley. However, I believe these were handled by SP cars, which during ATSF operational periods on the branches were supplied by the SP in a reciprocal switching agreement, as the owner of the beets was sending them to the same refineries in CA regardless of which RR was operating the branch that year."
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Leider's B&OCT book

David Leider
 

Tony,
Thank you for the nice review
David


Re: Insulated Boxcars v. Bonkerless Reefers

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 12:17 PM, Bill Parks wrote:
Is that correct, or is there more to it?
It is my understanding that the insulation requirements were higher for an RB. RBs always had plug doors; either the sliding or swinging type. XI was kind of a catch-all classification for boxcars that had partial insulation installed. The Soo Line, for instance, had some boxcars modified to XIs for wet pulp service that retained their standard un-insulated boxcar doors.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Insulated Boxcars v. Bonkerless Reefers

Bill Welch
 

the NYNH&H RBL had vents up high mounted vertically just under the roof w/a bent metal rod to open and close it. Very Visible on the F&C patterns Steve did for whomever originally issued the kit in the Red/White/Blue scheme. Duplicate car very similar paint and stenciling done for a "neighboring" RR. I think they 1/3/4 IDE.

Bill Welch


Insulated Boxcars v. Bonkerless Reefers

Bill Parks
 

I'm trying to determine the differences between insulated boxcars (AAR designation XI) and bunklerless refrigerator cars (RB or RBL), and don't see any real difference in design or use (although the ORER does state that RBL/RB MAY have vents - but I've never seen any pictures of any).  As best as I can tell, if the car was owned by a railroad, they would classify it as XI, and the private car owners (FGE, PFE, etc.) would classify them as RB/RBL.

Is that correct, or is there more to it?

Thanks
--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: ATSF in California

Paul Doggett
 

I think they borrowed whatever they could, I have a UP with 2 bay hoppers in a beet train.
Paul Doggett 


On 24 Oct 2020, at 18:57, Richard Townsend via groups.io <richtownsend@...> wrote:

I don’t know about SP beet trains, but I have seen photos of UP and even Chicago & Alton hoppers in Colorado & Southern beet trains.


On Oct 24, 2020, at 10:11 AM, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:

RJ 

I have never seen a photo of one mine will be carrying scrap I think or timber .

Paul Doggett


On 24 Oct 2020, at 17:48, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

Looks like SP had the monopoly on California sugarbeets, and the Santa Fe moved Colorado beets.
So Paul, I'm guessing the next question you ask is, "would an AT&SF gondola ever end up in a consist of Southern Pacific beet gondolas?"
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: ATSF in California

Richard Townsend
 

I don’t know about SP beet trains, but I have seen photos of UP and even Chicago & Alton hoppers in Colorado & Southern beet trains.


On Oct 24, 2020, at 10:11 AM, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:

RJ 

I have never seen a photo of one mine will be carrying scrap I think or timber .

Paul Doggett


On 24 Oct 2020, at 17:48, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

Looks like SP had the monopoly on California sugarbeets, and the Santa Fe moved Colorado beets.
So Paul, I'm guessing the next question you ask is, "would an AT&SF gondola ever end up in a consist of Southern Pacific beet gondolas?"
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Identity Of This Car? (Undated)

John Grube
 

I have seen this photo before, both in the CERA Bulletin and many years ago at TMER&L railfan slideshows. I probably should have paid more attention to the comments then. If I remember correctly, the consensus of opinion is that this truck is the cut-down and modified remains of a 1924 Yellow Z-type double deck bus, tried by TMER&L on their "high-class" Green Bus routes in the 1920's. I have attached a photo of a Chicago bus of similar year and model for comparison of the details.


Re: ATSF in California

Paul Doggett
 

RJ 

I have never seen a photo of one mine will be carrying scrap I think or timber .

Paul Doggett


On 24 Oct 2020, at 17:48, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

Looks like SP had the monopoly on California sugarbeets, and the Santa Fe moved Colorado beets.
So Paul, I'm guessing the next question you ask is, "would an AT&SF gondola ever end up in a consist of Southern Pacific beet gondolas?"
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: ATSF in California

radiodial868
 

Looks like SP had the monopoly on California sugarbeets, and the Santa Fe moved Colorado beets.
So Paul, I'm guessing the next question you ask is, "would an AT&SF gondola ever end up in a consist of Southern Pacific beet gondolas?"
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: [Proto-Layouts] Grand ol' RPM

Eric Hansmann
 

Clark,

 

You are a week ahead of schedule! The 2020 event was set for next weekend. It was cancelled in March. Details were posted on the website and in messages to several discussion groups.

http://www.rpmconference.com/

 

Frank found a nice venue on the Northern Illinois University Naperville Campus that we hope to use in 2021. It’s about three miles from the Sheraton.

 

Since the pandemic is surging in Illinois at the moment, the event would have been cancelled anyway. As noted on the RCW blog and website, Frank had tested positive for the virus. He was sick for almost a week but seems to have recovered. He shared ideas for upcoming RCW kits, so he’s nearly back in the pink.

 

I’m looking forward to seeing several of you on the Hindsight 20.20 4.0 V-RPM event in just a few minutes.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: Proto-Layouts@groups.io <Proto-Layouts@groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 9:10 AM
To: Proto-Layouts@groups.io
Subject: [Proto-Layouts] Grand ol' RPM

 

It’s Naperville time!.....I remember Mike Skibbe saying he was having trouble finding a location being the current hotel wasn’t interested in us anymore. The mini meet Frank had arranged is canceled I’m sure? Is there any plans to continue the “Granddaddy” RPM maybe next year? The VRPM today is just not the same.

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Cotton Belt dbl door boxcar

Guy Wilber
 

Ed Hawkins wrote:

“The SSW diagram for 46000-46199 denotes the following info.

3. Roof raised & steel roof applied by SSW 1939

The cars were equipped with Evans Auto~Loaders, Type “E”, 8 tubes, coinciding with SSW raising the roofs. Murphy offered the extensions (as shown in photos). Those gussets along the car line are typical of the extensions.

“11. Nailable Steel Floor the width of the doorway”

Added to many auto cars equipped with loaders to alleviate wear on the floor where autos and light trucks were maneuvered into position with the use of floor jacks and dollies.

“The Murphy roof is interesting as the end sheets closest to the ends are depressed - what appears to be several inches lower than the 10 intermediate roof sheets.”

Obviously done to lower the latitudinal running boards for unrestricted clearance.

“This particular car was built 4-24. Stencils do not specify a rebuild date. It’s a fresh repainted car 5-20-54 at the Cotton Belt Pine Bluff car shops.”

Technically; for accounting purposes, sealing a door and removal of the loaders did not constitute a “Rebuild”. The earlier work surely would have been the governing date as “rebuilt” if the cars were also equipped with “AB” brakes and AAR approved appliances (at the time).

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Grand ol' RPM

Clark Propst
 

It’s Naperville time!.....I remember Mike Skibbe saying he was having trouble finding a location being the current hotel wasn’t interested in us anymore. The mini meet Frank had arranged is canceled I’m sure? Is there any plans to continue the “Granddaddy” RPM maybe next year? The VRPM today is just not the same.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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