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Re: Cotton Belt dbl door boxcar

Ken Adams
 

With my peculiar attachment to DD 40 foot auto/box cars, this would be an interesting project. I have just received the Yarmouth D&RGW 40 foot DD box car and it is now in the TBB queue. 

I found EFC #5 in my archives of RMC articles clipped from the magazine when I dumped many old MR and RMC's a few years back. It only covers the wood sided cars.  Another interesting project. There is an interesting insert in the article on modeling AB brakes that I need to review.

Are there any articles dealing with the upgrading to DD steel sided 40 foot cars and how to model them. A weird thought that the much maligned Tichy steel rebuilt box car body might be a start with the rebuilt underframe.  The ends look challenging.  I have one in the TBB queue waiting for Ted's P&LE decals to be reissued. I may issue diversion orders to change it to an SSW rebuild project.
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


OIL CAR

mel perry
 

can anyone identify what an oil car was?
and why a separate classification?
thanks
mel perry


On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 11:09 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: UP Livestock Car 60156 (1895)

Photo from the Sioux City Public Museum:

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/?siouxcityjournal.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/a/f8/af8ad4b3-f4cc-5521-9314-a0c07d569482/536574c6681e5.image.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Moderator


Re: ATSF in California

Paul Doggett
 

Garth 

Thank you.

Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 25 Oct 2020, at 18:17, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Doug and friends,

Don't forget that the WP also loaded beets. WP's steel 46' GS gondolas were used for beet traffic. According to Jim Eager's WESTERN PACIFIC COLOR GUIDE, beets were loaded at Gerlach, Nevada, for processing at Spreckles. And mentioned earlier, there was a sugar plant at Clarksburg on WP's subsidiary Sacramento Northern. I also seem to remember that there was a beet loader on the SN's Woodland Branch.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 9:05 AM Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:

Here is a poor quality photo of an ATSF stockcar being loaded with sugar beets, at Rocky Ford Colorado. ACS is American Crystal Sugar.

 

Everything I have sugar beets in California shows SP cars or cars owned by the sugar companies.

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Doggett via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 5:32 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF in California

 

Bob

 

Thank you more interesting information.

 

Paul Doggett



On 25 Oct 2020, at 02:53, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



I credit SP expert Jason Hill for answering the question.

He stated, "There was a sugar beet loader at Arvin and several other jointly owned branches around the San Joaquin Valley. However, I believe these were handled by SP cars, which during ATSF operational periods on the branches were supplied by the SP in a reciprocal switching agreement, as the owner of the beets was sending them to the same refineries in CA regardless of which RR was operating the branch that year."
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Grand ol' RPM

Eric Hansmann
 

That is called snow.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 1:21 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Grand ol' RPM

 

I miss seeing the fall colors around Chicago during the RPM.

Scott McDonald


Re: Grand ol' RPM

Scott
 

I miss seeing the fall colors around Chicago during the RPM.

Scott McDonald


Re: ATSF in California

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Doug and friends,

Don't forget that the WP also loaded beets. WP's steel 46' GS gondolas were used for beet traffic. According to Jim Eager's WESTERN PACIFIC COLOR GUIDE, beets were loaded at Gerlach, Nevada, for processing at Spreckles. And mentioned earlier, there was a sugar plant at Clarksburg on WP's subsidiary Sacramento Northern. I also seem to remember that there was a beet loader on the SN's Woodland Branch.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 9:05 AM Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:

Here is a poor quality photo of an ATSF stockcar being loaded with sugar beets, at Rocky Ford Colorado. ACS is American Crystal Sugar.

 

Everything I have sugar beets in California shows SP cars or cars owned by the sugar companies.

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Doggett via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 5:32 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF in California

 

Bob

 

Thank you more interesting information.

 

Paul Doggett



On 25 Oct 2020, at 02:53, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



I credit SP expert Jason Hill for answering the question.

He stated, "There was a sugar beet loader at Arvin and several other jointly owned branches around the San Joaquin Valley. However, I believe these were handled by SP cars, which during ATSF operational periods on the branches were supplied by the SP in a reciprocal switching agreement, as the owner of the beets was sending them to the same refineries in CA regardless of which RR was operating the branch that year."
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Grand ol' RPM

Bill J.
 

Agreed.  It's a MUST-DO in '21.

Bill Jolitz


Re: ATSF in California

Douglas Harding
 

Tom here is where the photo comes from. https://www.chieftain.com/article/20090329/NEWS/303299970

The information may or may not be correct. I agree the dump is not like any I’ve seen. Reminds me of a cinder dump seen at many steam engine service facilities. Based on the vintage of the stockcar I would say the dump is very early and perhaps was replaced with a design more like the images you shared.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas Evans via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 8:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF in California

 

Hey Doug,

I'm very interested in that beet dump photo you posted, want to know more, and, of course, would like a better rendition.
I'm from Rocky Ford & have family connections with the factory there.
I've not seen that kind of dump before.
Most are either of the type in the attached photos, or, of course, the modern steel traveling dumps.

Tom E.


Re: Identity Of This Car? (Undated)

Brian Termunde
 

And also I DO see initials! <VBG> I'm trying to be cute, not argumentative BTW.

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah


Re: Identity Of This Car? (Undated)
From: Benjamin Hom
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 10:22:32 PDT
Bob Chaparro asked:
"Identity Of This Car? (Undated)

A photo from the Detroit Public Library:

Click and hold to enlarge photo.



Re: Identity Of This Car? (Undated)
From: Schuyler Larrabee
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 10:13:21 PDT
For starters, google TMER&L, no periods required.
 
Schuyler
 


Re: ATSF in California

Thomas Evans
 

Hey Doug,

I'm very interested in that beet dump photo you posted, want to know more, and, of course, would like a better rendition.
I'm from Rocky Ford & have family connections with the factory there.
I've not seen that kind of dump before.
Most are either of the type in the attached photos, or, of course, the modern steel traveling dumps.

Tom E.


Re: ATSF in California

Paul Doggett
 

Doug 

That’s am interesting photo.

Paul Doggett 


On 25 Oct 2020, at 13:05, Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:



Here is a poor quality photo of an ATSF stockcar being loaded with sugar beets, at Rocky Ford Colorado. ACS is American Crystal Sugar.

 

Everything I have sugar beets in California shows SP cars or cars owned by the sugar companies.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Doggett via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 5:32 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF in California

 

Bob

 

Thank you more interesting information.

 

Paul Doggett



On 25 Oct 2020, at 02:53, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



I credit SP expert Jason Hill for answering the question.

He stated, "There was a sugar beet loader at Arvin and several other jointly owned branches around the San Joaquin Valley. However, I believe these were handled by SP cars, which during ATSF operational periods on the branches were supplied by the SP in a reciprocal switching agreement, as the owner of the beets was sending them to the same refineries in CA regardless of which RR was operating the branch that year."
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

<Rocky Ford CO ACS beet dump.jpg>


Re: ATSF in California

Douglas Harding
 

Here is a poor quality photo of an ATSF stockcar being loaded with sugar beets, at Rocky Ford Colorado. ACS is American Crystal Sugar.

 

Everything I have sugar beets in California shows SP cars or cars owned by the sugar companies.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Doggett via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 5:32 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF in California

 

Bob

 

Thank you more interesting information.

 

Paul Doggett



On 25 Oct 2020, at 02:53, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



I credit SP expert Jason Hill for answering the question.

He stated, "There was a sugar beet loader at Arvin and several other jointly owned branches around the San Joaquin Valley. However, I believe these were handled by SP cars, which during ATSF operational periods on the branches were supplied by the SP in a reciprocal switching agreement, as the owner of the beets was sending them to the same refineries in CA regardless of which RR was operating the branch that year."
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: ATSF in California

Paul Doggett
 

Bob

Thank you more interesting information.

Paul Doggett


On 25 Oct 2020, at 02:53, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



I credit SP expert Jason Hill for answering the question.

He stated, "There was a sugar beet loader at Arvin and several other jointly owned branches around the San Joaquin Valley. However, I believe these were handled by SP cars, which during ATSF operational periods on the branches were supplied by the SP in a reciprocal switching agreement, as the owner of the beets was sending them to the same refineries in CA regardless of which RR was operating the branch that year."
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: ATSF in California

Bob Chaparro
 

I credit SP expert Jason Hill for answering the question.

He stated, "There was a sugar beet loader at Arvin and several other jointly owned branches around the San Joaquin Valley. However, I believe these were handled by SP cars, which during ATSF operational periods on the branches were supplied by the SP in a reciprocal switching agreement, as the owner of the beets was sending them to the same refineries in CA regardless of which RR was operating the branch that year."
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Leider's B&OCT book

David Leider
 

Tony,
Thank you for the nice review
David


Re: Insulated Boxcars v. Bonkerless Reefers

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 12:17 PM, Bill Parks wrote:
Is that correct, or is there more to it?
It is my understanding that the insulation requirements were higher for an RB. RBs always had plug doors; either the sliding or swinging type. XI was kind of a catch-all classification for boxcars that had partial insulation installed. The Soo Line, for instance, had some boxcars modified to XIs for wet pulp service that retained their standard un-insulated boxcar doors.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Insulated Boxcars v. Bonkerless Reefers

Bill Welch
 

the NYNH&H RBL had vents up high mounted vertically just under the roof w/a bent metal rod to open and close it. Very Visible on the F&C patterns Steve did for whomever originally issued the kit in the Red/White/Blue scheme. Duplicate car very similar paint and stenciling done for a "neighboring" RR. I think they 1/3/4 IDE.

Bill Welch


Insulated Boxcars v. Bonkerless Reefers

Bill Parks
 

I'm trying to determine the differences between insulated boxcars (AAR designation XI) and bunklerless refrigerator cars (RB or RBL), and don't see any real difference in design or use (although the ORER does state that RBL/RB MAY have vents - but I've never seen any pictures of any).  As best as I can tell, if the car was owned by a railroad, they would classify it as XI, and the private car owners (FGE, PFE, etc.) would classify them as RB/RBL.

Is that correct, or is there more to it?

Thanks
--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: ATSF in California

Paul Doggett
 

I think they borrowed whatever they could, I have a UP with 2 bay hoppers in a beet train.
Paul Doggett 


On 24 Oct 2020, at 18:57, Richard Townsend via groups.io <richtownsend@...> wrote:

I don’t know about SP beet trains, but I have seen photos of UP and even Chicago & Alton hoppers in Colorado & Southern beet trains.


On Oct 24, 2020, at 10:11 AM, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:

RJ 

I have never seen a photo of one mine will be carrying scrap I think or timber .

Paul Doggett


On 24 Oct 2020, at 17:48, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

Looks like SP had the monopoly on California sugarbeets, and the Santa Fe moved Colorado beets.
So Paul, I'm guessing the next question you ask is, "would an AT&SF gondola ever end up in a consist of Southern Pacific beet gondolas?"
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: ATSF in California

Richard Townsend
 

I don’t know about SP beet trains, but I have seen photos of UP and even Chicago & Alton hoppers in Colorado & Southern beet trains.


On Oct 24, 2020, at 10:11 AM, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:

RJ 

I have never seen a photo of one mine will be carrying scrap I think or timber .

Paul Doggett


On 24 Oct 2020, at 17:48, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

Looks like SP had the monopoly on California sugarbeets, and the Santa Fe moved Colorado beets.
So Paul, I'm guessing the next question you ask is, "would an AT&SF gondola ever end up in a consist of Southern Pacific beet gondolas?"
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA

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