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Re: Grand ol' RPM
Eric Hansmann
That is called snow.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 1:21 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Grand ol' RPM
I miss seeing the fall colors around Chicago during the RPM.
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Re: Grand ol' RPM
Scott
I miss seeing the fall colors around Chicago during the RPM.
Scott McDonald
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Re: ATSF in California
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Doug and friends, Don't forget that the WP also loaded beets. WP's steel 46' GS gondolas were used for beet traffic. According to Jim Eager's WESTERN PACIFIC COLOR GUIDE, beets were loaded at Gerlach, Nevada, for processing at Spreckles. And mentioned earlier, there was a sugar plant at Clarksburg on WP's subsidiary Sacramento Northern. I also seem to remember that there was a beet loader on the SN's Woodland Branch. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 9:05 AM Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:
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Re: Grand ol' RPM
Bill J.
Agreed. It's a MUST-DO in '21.
Bill Jolitz
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Re: ATSF in California
Tom here is where the photo comes from. https://www.chieftain.com/article/20090329/NEWS/303299970 The information may or may not be correct. I agree the dump is not like any I’ve seen. Reminds me of a cinder dump seen at many steam engine service facilities. Based on the vintage of the stockcar I would say the dump is very early and perhaps was replaced with a design more like the images you shared.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas Evans via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 8:29 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF in California
Hey Doug,
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Re: Identity Of This Car? (Undated)
Brian Termunde
And also I DO see initials! <VBG> I'm trying to be cute, not argumentative BTW. Take Care,
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah
Re: Identity Of This Car? (Undated)
From: Schuyler Larrabee Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 10:13:21 PDT For starters, google TMER&L, no periods required.
Schuyler
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Re: ATSF in California
Hey Doug,
I'm very interested in that beet dump photo you posted, want to know more, and, of course, would like a better rendition. I'm from Rocky Ford & have family connections with the factory there. I've not seen that kind of dump before. Most are either of the type in the attached photos, or, of course, the modern steel traveling dumps. Tom E.
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Re: ATSF in California
Paul Doggett
Doug
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That’s am interesting photo. Paul Doggett
On 25 Oct 2020, at 13:05, Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:
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Re: ATSF in California
Here is a poor quality photo of an ATSF stockcar being loaded with sugar beets, at Rocky Ford Colorado. ACS is American Crystal Sugar.
Everything I have sugar beets in California shows SP cars or cars owned by the sugar companies.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Doggett via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 5:32 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF in California
Bob
Thank you more interesting information.
Paul Doggett
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Re: ATSF in California
Paul Doggett
Bob
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Thank you more interesting information. Paul Doggett
On 25 Oct 2020, at 02:53, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:
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Re: ATSF in California
I credit SP expert Jason Hill for answering the question. He stated, "There was a sugar beet loader at Arvin and several other jointly owned branches around the San Joaquin Valley. However, I believe these were handled by SP cars, which during ATSF operational periods on the branches were supplied by the SP in a reciprocal switching agreement, as the owner of the beets was sending them to the same refineries in CA regardless of which RR was operating the branch that year."
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Re: Leider's B&OCT book
David Leider
Tony,
Thank you for the nice review David
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Re: Insulated Boxcars v. Bonkerless Reefers
Dennis Storzek
On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 12:17 PM, Bill Parks wrote:
Is that correct, or is there more to it?It is my understanding that the insulation requirements were higher for an RB. RBs always had plug doors; either the sliding or swinging type. XI was kind of a catch-all classification for boxcars that had partial insulation installed. The Soo Line, for instance, had some boxcars modified to XIs for wet pulp service that retained their standard un-insulated boxcar doors. Dennis Storzek
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Re: Insulated Boxcars v. Bonkerless Reefers
Bill Welch
the NYNH&H RBL had vents up high mounted vertically just under the roof w/a bent metal rod to open and close it. Very Visible on the F&C patterns Steve did for whomever originally issued the kit in the Red/White/Blue scheme. Duplicate car very similar paint and stenciling done for a "neighboring" RR. I think they 1/3/4 IDE.
Bill Welch
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Insulated Boxcars v. Bonkerless Reefers
Bill Parks
I'm trying to determine the differences between insulated boxcars (AAR designation XI) and bunklerless refrigerator cars (RB or RBL), and don't see any real difference in design or use (although the ORER does state that RBL/RB MAY have vents - but I've never seen any pictures of any). As best as I can tell, if the car was owned by a railroad, they would classify it as XI, and the private car owners (FGE, PFE, etc.) would classify them as RB/RBL.
Is that correct, or is there more to it? Thanks -- Bill Parks Cumming, GA Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida
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Re: ATSF in California
Paul Doggett
I think they borrowed whatever they could, I have a UP with 2 bay hoppers in a beet train.
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On 24 Oct 2020, at 18:57, Richard Townsend via groups.io <richtownsend@...> wrote:
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Re: ATSF in California
Richard Townsend
I don’t know about SP beet trains, but I have seen photos of UP and even Chicago & Alton hoppers in Colorado & Southern beet trains.
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On Oct 24, 2020, at 10:11 AM, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:
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Re: Identity Of This Car? (Undated)
John Grube
I have seen this photo before, both in the CERA Bulletin and many years ago at TMER&L railfan slideshows. I probably should have paid more attention to the comments then. If I remember correctly, the consensus of opinion is that this truck is the cut-down and modified remains of a 1924 Yellow Z-type double deck bus, tried by TMER&L on their "high-class" Green Bus routes in the 1920's. I have attached a photo of a Chicago bus of similar year and model for comparison of the details.
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Re: ATSF in California
Paul Doggett
RJ
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I have never seen a photo of one mine will be carrying scrap I think or timber . Paul Doggett
On 24 Oct 2020, at 17:48, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:
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Re: ATSF in California
radiodial868
Looks like SP had the monopoly on California sugarbeets, and the Santa Fe moved Colorado beets.
So Paul, I'm guessing the next question you ask is, "would an AT&SF gondola ever end up in a consist of Southern Pacific beet gondolas?" ------------------- RJ Dial Mendocino, CA
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