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Re: RGM

Scott
 

Bill S,  Rio Grande Models posted it on thier Facebook page.  I am excited to see it I still need a NG ballast spreader.

Scott McDonald


Photo: Union Railroad Gondola 7985 With Pole Load (1928)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Union Railroad Gondola 7985 With Pole Load (1928)

A photo from the Detroit Public Library:

https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A257347

Click and hold to enlarge photo.

Caption:

View of railroad yard and factory, Ambassador Bridge during construction. Crane on left; freight car on right. Printed on front: "11, 3/13/28."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Sugar Beets in Cattle Cars

Tony Thompson
 

Ray Hutchison wrote:

The idea of shipping food products (cabbages, sugar beets in recent postings to the list) in cattle cars is slightly....  disgusting.  

    Ray, you must be forgetting that stock cars were thoroughly cleaned after every trip, often steam cleaned. The purpose was to prevent any disease or little critters from infecting subsequent loads.

Tony Thompson




Re: Sugar Beets in Cattle Cars

Armand Premo
 

The Rutland frequently carried Hay.in their stock cars. Armand Premo

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 12:59 PM james murrie via groups.io <bi291=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
In the early 1970s I remember seeing NP stock cars near Grand Forks, ND with plywood installed inside the slats to haul wheat. Once a car is steam cleaned, etc. after a livestock load it didn't seem to be an issue.
Jim Murrie


Re: RGM

Lloyd Keyser
 

There were some people that tried to purchase Sunshine but Trisha would not sell and as far as I know she still has everything. LK

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 11:02 AM Tom Madden via groups.io <pullmanboss=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 09:25 AM, radiodial868 wrote:
Just noticed that Eric posted on his FB page that a buyer has been found for Rio Grande Models, and the transfer to new owner has begun. This is good news for Steam Era Modelers as many of the kits make ideal flat car loads.  RGM, PSC, SSLtd, NWSL, Sergent, JL Innovative, the list goes on of small RR companies doing the right thing and preserving their products and Legacy.
Why the !$#$@$% couldn't Sunshine have done the same $!##@! thing????   
(Rant over, thank you for humoring me)
I know your comment is rhetorical, but Martin, unlike Al and Eric, wasn't given the gift of time. Tricia tried to carry on the business, and she contacted several of us about doing the casting, but as far as I know she wasn't looking to sell.With resin casting the only unique asset would be the patterns, and even those deteriorate. Frank Hodina's Resin Car Works line has included several models previously done by Sunshine (from Frank's patterns), but all those patterns had to be recreated or highly modified to bring them up to current standards. And "current standards" means one piece bodies, which Martin never did.

Tom Madden

Tom Madden


Re: Sugar Beets in Cattle Cars

james murrie
 

In the early 1970s I remember seeing NP stock cars near Grand Forks, ND with plywood installed inside the slats to haul wheat. Once a car is steam cleaned, etc. after a livestock load it didn't seem to be an issue.
Jim Murrie


Re: Sugar Beets in Cattle Cars

Jerry Michels
 

Wouldn't stock cars used for sugar beets and cabbage be cleaned out beforehand?  They were cleaned out after a cattle shipment.  Regarding sugar beets.  They are refined to such an extent that no contamination would remain.  It is a pretty neat process I saw at the Holly Sugar plant in Hereford, TX, before it closed.  Dirty beets go in, pure white sugar comes out.  Jerry Michels


Re: OIL CAR

CJ Riley
 


A quick Google search led me to a site that stated oil recycling began in the 30s and grew substantially during WWII. Oil doesn’t wear out. It gets dirty and loses some of its components. Used oil can be filtered and additives replaced.



Re: RGM

Tom Madden
 

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 09:25 AM, radiodial868 wrote:
Just noticed that Eric posted on his FB page that a buyer has been found for Rio Grande Models, and the transfer to new owner has begun. This is good news for Steam Era Modelers as many of the kits make ideal flat car loads.  RGM, PSC, SSLtd, NWSL, Sergent, JL Innovative, the list goes on of small RR companies doing the right thing and preserving their products and Legacy.
Why the !$#$@$% couldn't Sunshine have done the same $!##@! thing????   
(Rant over, thank you for humoring me)
I know your comment is rhetorical, but Martin, unlike Al and Eric, wasn't given the gift of time. Tricia tried to carry on the business, and she contacted several of us about doing the casting, but as far as I know she wasn't looking to sell.With resin casting the only unique asset would be the patterns, and even those deteriorate. Frank Hodina's Resin Car Works line has included several models previously done by Sunshine (from Frank's patterns), but all those patterns had to be recreated or highly modified to bring them up to current standards. And "current standards" means one piece bodies, which Martin never did.

Tom Madden

Tom Madden


Re: Identity Of This Car? (Undated)

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 08:08 AM, mel perry wrote:
assuming by the side door, these cars
could only hold one container? what
was the space in the front of the car
used for? lcl? express? or in fact
could these cars handle two containers?
The car is just one long tube, which originally had tracks to guide the containers and a winch to pull them off the truck chassis. I suspect the side doors were to keep an eye on the progress of the containers as they were pulled into the car. The car is 51' long and the containers are short little things; I suspect that three, and even possibly four would fit. I'm not sure that all the mechanical apparatus is still intact, with the court ordered break-up of TMER&LCo in 1938, the car went to the newly formed Wisconsin Electric Power Co. that took over the power generation side of the business, for use as a work car on their coal hauling railroad on Milwaukee's south side.

Here are some photos of the car as it is now, and one of the containers: https://www.irm.org/gallery/TMERLM37

Dennis Storzek
 


Re: RGM

erieblt2
 

Great news! How do you all get this info? Happily, Bill S


On Oct 26, 2020, at 8:29 AM, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

Just noticed that Eric posted on his FB page that a buyer has been found for Rio Grande Models, and the transfer to new owner has begun. This is good news for Steam Era Modelers as many of the kits make ideal flat car loads.  RGM, PSC, SSLtd, NWSL, Sergent, JL Innovative, the list goes on of small RR companies doing the right thing and preserving their products and Legacy.
Why the !$#$@$% couldn't Sunshine have done the same $!##@! thing????   
(Rant over, thank you for humoring me)
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


RGM

radiodial868
 

Just noticed that Eric posted on his FB page that a buyer has been found for Rio Grande Models, and the transfer to new owner has begun. This is good news for Steam Era Modelers as many of the kits make ideal flat car loads.  RGM, PSC, SSLtd, NWSL, Sergent, JL Innovative, the list goes on of small RR companies doing the right thing and preserving their products and Legacy.
Why the !$#$@$% couldn't Sunshine have done the same $!##@! thing????   
(Rant over, thank you for humoring me)
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Identity Of This Car? (Undated)

mel perry
 

assuming by the side door, these cars
could only hold one container? what
was the space in the front of the car
used for? lcl? express? or in fact
could these cars handle two containers?
mel perry


On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 7:38 AM prr6380 via groups.io <prr6380=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
One of these cars along with one container is at the Illinois Railway Museum.  The car was repainted in the last couple of years.

Walt Stafa


Re: GN box cars - hopper bottom

radiodial868
 

F&C makes the GN 8000 series of DS 40' Boxcars with hopper bottoms.  I built the kit, but chose to do it as the later non-hopper rebuild.  The kit comes with a bazillion little parts that would be used to mock up the hopper doors and linkages on the underside, including different queenposts. I've used those unused parts on numerous projects since by slicing and dicing them for things like brackets, clevis, door stops, etc.  The kit just keeps on giving.  I chose the non-hopper version after research with this group many years ago that by my era they were pretty much hanging around the home rails for use only during the grain rush.
http://www.fandckits.com/HOFreight/3701.html
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Identity Of This Car? (Undated)

prr6380
 

One of these cars along with one container is at the Illinois Railway Museum.  The car was repainted in the last couple of years.

Walt Stafa


Re: Sugar Beets in Cattle Cars

Bruce Smith
 

Ray, I'm curious to know what you think was applied to those food crops, to help them grow, in that era? It was probably the same thing you would find inside those stock cars!
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Alabama


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...>
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 8:47:15 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Sugar Beets in Cattle Cars
 
The idea of shipping food products (cabbages, sugar beets in recent postings to the list) in cattle cars is slightly....  disgusting.  

But it does give me a reason to have a group of stock cars in my layout.  With special note board reading "for sugar beets only"

rh


Sugar Beets in Cattle Cars

Ray Hutchison
 

The idea of shipping food products (cabbages, sugar beets in recent postings to the list) in cattle cars is slightly....  disgusting.  

But it does give me a reason to have a group of stock cars in my layout.  With special note board reading "for sugar beets only"

rh


GN box cars - hopper bottom

Ray Hutchison
 

If I remember correctly from ICC report, a majority of the GN box cars (before 1920) were hopper bottom.

Have been looking for "conversion kit" to detail this on the various models of double-sheathed cars.

rh


Re: Identity Of This Car? (Undated)

Ray Hutchison
 

So is this an example of the first container freight car?

(asking that, knowing that it is not, but curious about more general history of container freight)

ray hutchison


Re: Cotton Belt dbl door boxcar

O Fenton Wells
 

Thank Paul 


On Oct 26, 2020, at 6:05 AM, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:

Fenton 

Two really great looking cars great work.

Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 25 Oct 2020, at 22:27, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


Thanks Chuck.  I've done some SRR 50 footers as well.  The early 50 footers were 10'-0" IH and the SR had 12 ft doors, go figure.

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 6:24 PM Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:

Fenton,

 

Fantastic job on the ACL DD boxcar.  Love the double rivet lines.  I will be looking forward to the article.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM



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