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Re: OIL CAR

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

When I was much younger, many filling stations, especially locally-owned stations, sold reclaimed oil in bulk for automobile use. My father used to keep a couple of five-gallon cans of the stuff to pour into his Packards. Selling reclaimed oil pretty much disappeared with the homogenization of retail gas stations in the 1960s (which also ended distribution by local wholesalers who received petroleum products in freight cars--mandatory FC content). Of course, old oil is still recycled, but is rarely sold at retail, and most gas stations are now convenience stores that make more money selling snack food. 

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 4:11 PM Mont Switzer <MSwitzer@...> wrote:

Used oil also makes pretty good fuel for some applications and was transported for such.  Mont Switzer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of CJ Riley via groups.io [cjriley42=yahoo.com@groups.io]
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 12:23 PM
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A quick Google search led me to a site that stated oil recycling began in the 30s and grew substantially during WWII. Oil doesn’t wear out. It gets dirty and loses some of its components. Used oil can be filtered and additives replaced.



OIL CAR

David
 

FYI, Union Pacific was reclaiming the distillate fuel from the lube oil in their McKeen cars during the late 1920s, and renewing the lube oil.

David Thompson


Re: Sugar Beets in Cattle Cars

Jerry Michels
 

One more comment on sugar beets, but  a little different.  In Wyoming the BN served a number of sugar beet plants.  Lovell, Sheridan, Worland, Torrington, and perhaps some others.  These were all active during the steam era.  Most were transported in two-bay hoppers.  A curious by-product was shipping tare soli (that dirt coming off the beets after harvest) from one Holly Sugar plant to another and giving the soil to the local farmers. Sadly, the Wpr;and area sugar beet area was infested with the sugarbeet root maggot, Torrington was not.  In the later 1970s, The Torrington area became infested with the maggot.  An intense survey of the insect revealed that the infestation site was the Holly refinery tare soil dump.

Jerry Michels


Re: RGM

Dave Nelson
 

FWIW, Facebook has rapidly evolved from its origins as a college social board and now is a top notch site for hobby enthusiasts of all stripes.

The Pre-Depression Era railroads is particularly good for posting photos of freight cars from that era (and if you doubt my judgement then ask Ben Hom who in that group).

 

I’d say there is a group for every steam era railroad as well as some modern stuff said to be about railroads… and if that isn’t enough there are loads of historical groups, game groups, silent movies, birding, native plants… the list goes on and on.

 

It’s not very good for archival purposes – the search is pretty lousy – but for casual viewing, say, once a day, it is very nice.

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of mel perry
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same name/web site? or different?

sorry i don't do any social media

thanks

mel perry


Re: OIL CAR

Mont Switzer
 

Used oil also makes pretty good fuel for some applications and was transported for such.  Mont Switzer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of CJ Riley via groups.io [cjriley42@...]
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 12:23 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OIL CAR


A quick Google search led me to a site that stated oil recycling began in the 30s and grew substantially during WWII. Oil doesn’t wear out. It gets dirty and loses some of its components. Used oil can be filtered and additives replaced.



Re: RGM

mel perry
 

same name/web site? or different?
sorry i don't do any social media
thanks
mel perry


On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 12:35 PM Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:
Bill S,  Rio Grande Models posted it on thier Facebook page.  I am excited to see it I still need a NG ballast spreader.

Scott McDonald


Re: RGM

erieblt2
 

I guess I’m gonna have get back into Facebook(had a bad experience). Everyone is migrating to FB. Bill S


On Oct 26, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:

Bill S,  Rio Grande Models posted it on thier Facebook page.  I am excited to see it I still need a NG ballast spreader.

Scott McDonald


Re: Sugar Beets in Cattle Cars

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Ray and Friends,

To echo what Jerry said, I have been inside a sugar plant and saw how the refining process works. This was the C&H plant at Crockett, California, which processed cane sugar, but the process for beet sugar is similar. Essentially, the sugar source is ground to a pulp, which is then washed several times to remove all the possible sugar, and also to float off impurities. The solution is then boiled and centrifuged to kill any little beasties and remove any additional impurities. The sugar went through this process multiple times, so it was essentially sterilized several times during the process.

Now for Fun Part #1: C&H collected all the drips from their pipes in buckets, plus the mop water from cleaning the floors, and poured it back into the process. It was all pure in the end.

Fun Part #2: C&H also put up various types of raw and turbinado sugar for the health food trade. This was the same sugar, just not boiled and spun as many times. This left more molasses in the sugar, plus as the tour guide explained, a bit more dirt and rat droppings. All still sterilized though. Yum!

Fun Part #3: With cane sugar, including that grown and refiled in Louisiana and Texas, the crushed pulp (called bagasse) could be used as fuel to run the sugar mill, ground and returned to the fields as mulch, or  in later years sold as a by-product to be used as an industrial additive or for chemical extraction. (C&H received their sugar as syrup from Hawaii, delivered every two weeks by ship, so bagasse was not an issue here). Used pulp from beet sugar tended to pile up into large mountains. I used to work across the street from the Holly Sugar plant at Dyer (near Sant Ana, California). They had a huge mountain of this stuff that was daily sculpted by bulldozers. I was told the waste was loaded with toxins. I wonder what became of the piles when this plant closed.

Fun Part #4: Sugar used to be heavily subsidized by the government until price supports were removed by Congress in favor of the high-fructose corn syrup industry in the 1980s. Look at the previous list of plant closures, many of which happened at that time. Thanks to the subsidies, cheaper high-fructose corn syrup became the sweetener of choice for the soft drink industry (remember 'New Coke'?) and in processed foods.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 12:34 PM Jerry Michels <gjmichels53@...> wrote:
Wouldn't stock cars used for sugar beets and cabbage be cleaned out beforehand?  They were cleaned out after a cattle shipment.  Regarding sugar beets.  They are refined to such an extent that no contamination would remain.  It is a pretty neat process I saw at the Holly Sugar plant in Hereford, TX, before it closed.  Dirty beets go in, pure white sugar comes out.  Jerry Michels


Re: RGM

Scott
 

Bill S,  Rio Grande Models posted it on thier Facebook page.  I am excited to see it I still need a NG ballast spreader.

Scott McDonald


Photo: Union Railroad Gondola 7985 With Pole Load (1928)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Union Railroad Gondola 7985 With Pole Load (1928)

A photo from the Detroit Public Library:

https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A257347

Click and hold to enlarge photo.

Caption:

View of railroad yard and factory, Ambassador Bridge during construction. Crane on left; freight car on right. Printed on front: "11, 3/13/28."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Sugar Beets in Cattle Cars

Tony Thompson
 

Ray Hutchison wrote:

The idea of shipping food products (cabbages, sugar beets in recent postings to the list) in cattle cars is slightly....  disgusting.  

    Ray, you must be forgetting that stock cars were thoroughly cleaned after every trip, often steam cleaned. The purpose was to prevent any disease or little critters from infecting subsequent loads.

Tony Thompson




Re: Sugar Beets in Cattle Cars

Armand Premo
 

The Rutland frequently carried Hay.in their stock cars. Armand Premo

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 12:59 PM james murrie via groups.io <bi291=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
In the early 1970s I remember seeing NP stock cars near Grand Forks, ND with plywood installed inside the slats to haul wheat. Once a car is steam cleaned, etc. after a livestock load it didn't seem to be an issue.
Jim Murrie


Re: RGM

Lloyd Keyser
 

There were some people that tried to purchase Sunshine but Trisha would not sell and as far as I know she still has everything. LK

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 11:02 AM Tom Madden via groups.io <pullmanboss=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 09:25 AM, radiodial868 wrote:
Just noticed that Eric posted on his FB page that a buyer has been found for Rio Grande Models, and the transfer to new owner has begun. This is good news for Steam Era Modelers as many of the kits make ideal flat car loads.  RGM, PSC, SSLtd, NWSL, Sergent, JL Innovative, the list goes on of small RR companies doing the right thing and preserving their products and Legacy.
Why the !$#$@$% couldn't Sunshine have done the same $!##@! thing????   
(Rant over, thank you for humoring me)
I know your comment is rhetorical, but Martin, unlike Al and Eric, wasn't given the gift of time. Tricia tried to carry on the business, and she contacted several of us about doing the casting, but as far as I know she wasn't looking to sell.With resin casting the only unique asset would be the patterns, and even those deteriorate. Frank Hodina's Resin Car Works line has included several models previously done by Sunshine (from Frank's patterns), but all those patterns had to be recreated or highly modified to bring them up to current standards. And "current standards" means one piece bodies, which Martin never did.

Tom Madden

Tom Madden


Re: Sugar Beets in Cattle Cars

james murrie
 

In the early 1970s I remember seeing NP stock cars near Grand Forks, ND with plywood installed inside the slats to haul wheat. Once a car is steam cleaned, etc. after a livestock load it didn't seem to be an issue.
Jim Murrie


Re: Sugar Beets in Cattle Cars

Jerry Michels
 

Wouldn't stock cars used for sugar beets and cabbage be cleaned out beforehand?  They were cleaned out after a cattle shipment.  Regarding sugar beets.  They are refined to such an extent that no contamination would remain.  It is a pretty neat process I saw at the Holly Sugar plant in Hereford, TX, before it closed.  Dirty beets go in, pure white sugar comes out.  Jerry Michels


Re: OIL CAR

CJ Riley
 


A quick Google search led me to a site that stated oil recycling began in the 30s and grew substantially during WWII. Oil doesn’t wear out. It gets dirty and loses some of its components. Used oil can be filtered and additives replaced.



Re: RGM

Tom Madden
 

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 09:25 AM, radiodial868 wrote:
Just noticed that Eric posted on his FB page that a buyer has been found for Rio Grande Models, and the transfer to new owner has begun. This is good news for Steam Era Modelers as many of the kits make ideal flat car loads.  RGM, PSC, SSLtd, NWSL, Sergent, JL Innovative, the list goes on of small RR companies doing the right thing and preserving their products and Legacy.
Why the !$#$@$% couldn't Sunshine have done the same $!##@! thing????   
(Rant over, thank you for humoring me)
I know your comment is rhetorical, but Martin, unlike Al and Eric, wasn't given the gift of time. Tricia tried to carry on the business, and she contacted several of us about doing the casting, but as far as I know she wasn't looking to sell.With resin casting the only unique asset would be the patterns, and even those deteriorate. Frank Hodina's Resin Car Works line has included several models previously done by Sunshine (from Frank's patterns), but all those patterns had to be recreated or highly modified to bring them up to current standards. And "current standards" means one piece bodies, which Martin never did.

Tom Madden

Tom Madden


Re: Identity Of This Car? (Undated)

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 08:08 AM, mel perry wrote:
assuming by the side door, these cars
could only hold one container? what
was the space in the front of the car
used for? lcl? express? or in fact
could these cars handle two containers?
The car is just one long tube, which originally had tracks to guide the containers and a winch to pull them off the truck chassis. I suspect the side doors were to keep an eye on the progress of the containers as they were pulled into the car. The car is 51' long and the containers are short little things; I suspect that three, and even possibly four would fit. I'm not sure that all the mechanical apparatus is still intact, with the court ordered break-up of TMER&LCo in 1938, the car went to the newly formed Wisconsin Electric Power Co. that took over the power generation side of the business, for use as a work car on their coal hauling railroad on Milwaukee's south side.

Here are some photos of the car as it is now, and one of the containers: https://www.irm.org/gallery/TMERLM37

Dennis Storzek
 


Re: RGM

erieblt2
 

Great news! How do you all get this info? Happily, Bill S


On Oct 26, 2020, at 8:29 AM, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

Just noticed that Eric posted on his FB page that a buyer has been found for Rio Grande Models, and the transfer to new owner has begun. This is good news for Steam Era Modelers as many of the kits make ideal flat car loads.  RGM, PSC, SSLtd, NWSL, Sergent, JL Innovative, the list goes on of small RR companies doing the right thing and preserving their products and Legacy.
Why the !$#$@$% couldn't Sunshine have done the same $!##@! thing????   
(Rant over, thank you for humoring me)
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


RGM

radiodial868
 

Just noticed that Eric posted on his FB page that a buyer has been found for Rio Grande Models, and the transfer to new owner has begun. This is good news for Steam Era Modelers as many of the kits make ideal flat car loads.  RGM, PSC, SSLtd, NWSL, Sergent, JL Innovative, the list goes on of small RR companies doing the right thing and preserving their products and Legacy.
Why the !$#$@$% couldn't Sunshine have done the same $!##@! thing????   
(Rant over, thank you for humoring me)
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA

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