Re: Accurail Milw 16xxx
Don four photos found in a message Clark Propst posted this morning, at 10:38am Central Time
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donald B. Valentine via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 4:31 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Accurail Milw 16xxx
Re: Accurail Milw 16xxx Two nice looking cars Clark
Paul Doggett. England 🏴
What “two” cars guys? I see only opposite sides of the same Milw. Rib side #16039 here. Where is the single sheathed car refered to?
Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: Photo: Armored CN Gondola With Anti-Aircraft Guns (1942)
Also some pretty nice 40 mm bofors in HO on Shapeways. I have 2 dual mounts for loading on a PRR F37 flat car, if I could only find a diagram/photo to guide my blocking and tie downs!
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Mac shp <mshepler8387@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 2:19 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Armored CN Gondola With Anti-Aircraft Guns (1942) 1/87 bofors https://www.wespemodels.com/bofors_aa_40mm_wes_87073?search=bofors%20 Search the Wespe site and you may find it as a kit (tiny resin parts beware) and built up
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Re: Accurail Milw 16xxx
Clark Propst
Tony, Maybe now that she’s all dolled up I may place her next to the Sunshine model just to see if she needs to head back to the mud ; )) Clark Propst
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Re: Photo: Monon Covered Hopper 4240
Mont,
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Re: Banned from Interchange - was Re: Real or no?
Jerry Michels
"Mix even a good truss rod car into a string of 100 ton hoppers, let the slack run out, and you have a lot of toothpicks." Would a railroad do this even when truss-rod cars were allowed? Jerry Michels
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Re: BEARER of BAD NEWS
Mark
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Re: Accurail Milw 16xxx
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Re: Accurail Milw 16xxx Two nice looking cars Clark
Paul Doggett. England 🏴
What “two” cars guys? I see only opposite sides of the same Milw. Rib side #16039 here. Where is the single sheathed car refered to?
Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: Photo: Monon Covered Hopper 4240
Scott,
The Bob's photo I mentioned was taken in Ottawa IL, famous for it's silica sand pits. I have been told by an ex-Monon employee these were in glass service for a Chrysler windshield plant in Indianapolis. I have not been able to find out much about this, however. Does anyone know about this factory? In the Monon conductor's reports I have they carry mostly cement, and I think that is why they were purchased. The Monon served a large cement plant south of Greencastle IN. (at a station name called "Cement" !) The cars also carried soda ash and lime. It is not recorded in these reports, but I have heard they also carried 'limestone dust'; a waste product from stone cutting mills that is used in the cosmetics industry. Regards, Mike Aufderheide
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Re: Smokey Mountain Southern 1953 54'-5" gondola
Yessir Eric I dun gon crazy. I do have that tee shirt😁
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Fenton
On Nov 5, 2020, at 4:48 PM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
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Re: Banned from Interchange - was Re: Real or no?
Tony Thompson
Dave Parker wrote: Just a reminder that, while the WUF ban may have been initiated in 1928, the final, drop-dead effective date was 1/1/35 (as per Guy Wilber). It's important to remember that an owner could install steel draft sills and center sills on a truss-rod car. It would be all but invisible in a photograph, but allowed the car to remain in service. Tony Thompson
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Re: Banned from Interchange - was Re: Real or no?
Dennis Storzek
Someone should mention, so I will, that most items "banned" from interchange service were about parts inventory rather than safety. The AAR interchange agreement anticipated that most defects were to be repaired where found, with the cost of the repair charged back to the owner road through a system of fixed charges set by the AAR. Antiquated equipment might be fine for a small road that stocked all the parts at their few repair locations, but the majors would grow tired of stocking parts and material that only saw occasional, and dwindling, use. I suspect the ban on K brakes was of this nature. as was the ban on non-standard couplers, which occurred sometime in the seventies, after our cut-off date.
Dennis Storzek
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Re: Banned from Interchange - was Re: Real or no?
Dave Parker
Just a reminder that, while the WUF ban may have been initiated in 1928, the final, drop-dead effective date was 1/1/35 (as per Guy Wilber).
I can correctly run WUF cars in the summer of 1934, but just barely. But Eric is quite right; plenty of truss-rod cars soldiered on for years. Like a major slice of the Armour meat-reefer fleet for example. -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA
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Re: Smokey Mountain Southern 1953 54'-5" gondola
Eric Hansmann
Somehow I missed seeing this post earlier. The model is top-notch, Fenton! It seems many of us have been “gon crazy!”
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 9:09 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Smokey Mountain Southern 1953 54'-5" gondola
I just finished another Covid build. This is a Smokey Mountain Southern, 1953 blt date, 53'-6" gondola. Jim at Smokey Mt has sold this line of models and it appears the new owner is going to release this car in the near future.
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Re: Photo: Armored CN Gondola With Anti-Aircraft Guns (1942)
Eric Hansmann
I just noticed your email address ends in AU. It might also be an international access issue.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Murray Stone
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 3:29 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Armored CN Gondola With Anti-Aircraft Guns (1942)
Dear Mr Chaparro.
Would you please advise how one actually gets to see the photo – All I get is details of the entry but not the actual photo itself.
Your advise will be deeply appreciated.
Murray Stone
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Photo: Armored CN Gondola With Anti-Aircraft Guns (1942) A photo from the National Archives of Canada: https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/CollectionSearch/Pages/record.aspx?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=3224686 This photo can be enlarged quite a bit. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Photo: Armored CN Gondola With Anti-Aircraft Guns (1942)
Eric Hansmann
Try a different browser. I just opened it in Firefox without issue.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Murray Stone
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 3:29 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Armored CN Gondola With Anti-Aircraft Guns (1942)
Dear Mr Chaparro.
Would you please advise how one actually gets to see the photo – All I get is details of the entry but not the actual photo itself.
Your advise will be deeply appreciated.
Murray Stone
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Photo: Armored CN Gondola With Anti-Aircraft Guns (1942) A photo from the National Archives of Canada: https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/CollectionSearch/Pages/record.aspx?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=3224686 This photo can be enlarged quite a bit. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Banned from Interchange - was Re: Real or no?
mel perry
ken: that's my point exactly, rsilroads aren't going to spend a dime, unless, they are forced too (for whatever reason) or it has an effect on the bottom line (profit) ;-) mel perry
On Thu, Nov 5, 2020, 12:00 PM Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> wrote:
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Re: Banned from Interchange - was Re: Real or no?
Eric Hansmann
Lots of cars with truss rods also had steel center sills. The Southern had 20,000+ boxcars in the early 1920s with steel center sills and truss rods. Cars with wood draft sills were banned from interchange in 1928. Wood sills fell out of favor in the Teens but took awhile for those cars to be updated or retired. Cars with truss rods and steel center sills were not banned.
It wasn’t until a point in the future (1970) when a time limit regulation on underframes came into use. Freight cars with underframes over 50 years old needed to be removed from service. It’s that regulation, and a few others made shortly afterwards, that push whatever remaining 1920s built wood-sheathed cars out of service.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charles Peck
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 2:10 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Banned from Interchange - was Re: Real or no?
Granted, truss rod cars survived in their own era. Times change. Mix even a good truss rod car into a string of 100 ton hoppers, let the slack run out, and you have a lot of toothpicks. What worked yesterday does not always stand up to current usage. Chuck Peck
On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 2:13 PM steve_wintner via groups.io <steve_wintner=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Banned from Interchange - was Re: Real or no?
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Brent;
I used to hang out at several interchange yards around Pittsburgh while growing up, and if there was no car inspector assigned to the location, the crews had to. They might do a cursory job of it, but someone had to. Generally, a junior member of the crew walked the length of the cut looking over each car, and sometimes looking underneath. Sometimes they looked inside.
One location I hung out at got lots of particularly horrible cars, mostly gons, which they had to set out if it made it through the interchange. There was a siding on which many unacceptable or bad order cars, got parked until someone figured out what they needed to do with them.
The cars I mostly saw were empties, but loaded cars were a problem both because loads are sometimes perishable, and if a car required heavy repair, it needed to be unloaded.
Cars that were obvious rejects just got back on an interchange track for the originating road to figure out.
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Brent Greer
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 3:58 PM To: Tony Thompson <tony@...>; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Banned from Interchange - was Re: Real or no?
How would that process work when a road like Seaboard would reject an incoming car? Would the road crew at the point of interchange be expected to inspect each car that had been dropped off for pickup and look for any non-compliant/unacceptable equipment before adding them to their train? What would happen to a rejected car and its contents?
Brent Dr. J. Brent Greer From:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tony Thompson <tony@...>
steve wintner wrote:
The word "known" in the second sentence is open to debate. Santa Fe had a couple of destructive high-speed derailments that they blamed on the Allied truck. Seaboard also had problems and would not accept cars in interchange if they had that truck. SP had the trucks on some express cars and had no problems, but withdrew them because of the risk they might go somewhere and not be accepted (I have seen the memos). This was in the early 1950s, long before the interchange ban.
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Re: Photo: Armored CN Gondola With Anti-Aircraft Guns (1942)
Murray Stone
Dear Mr Chaparro.
Would you please advise how one actually gets to see the photo – All I get is details of the entry but not the actual photo itself.
Your advise will be deeply appreciated.
Murray Stone
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: 6 November 2020 4:14 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Armored CN Gondola With Anti-Aircraft Guns (1942)
Photo: Armored CN Gondola With Anti-Aircraft Guns (1942) A photo from the National Archives of Canada: https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/CollectionSearch/Pages/record.aspx?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=3224686 This photo can be enlarged quite a bit. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Smokey Mountain Southern 1953 54'-5" gondola
Jim King
Yes, my SOU gon is HO but I am considering upscaling to S, assuming there is sufficient market demand. No gons like it in S but, unfortunately, Southern was the only road to have the rib style and pattern. 2 batches were built for SOU by Pullman (1953 and 1957) and they lasted into the mid 90s in MOW service.
Jim King http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/
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