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WESTERFIELD MODELS Newsletter, Vol 9, No. 1, November, 2020

dahminator68
 

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Re: Photo: Monon Covered Hopper 4240

Mont Switzer
 

Bill and all,

Only one LO  ended up dedicated to Omar Baking in Indianapolis.  If I recall correctly from diagrams it was fitted with 20 inch circular round hatch openings ON the original square hatch covers.

Mont Switzer 



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: william darnaby <wdarnaby@...>
Date: 11/6/20 11:17 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Monon Covered Hopper 4240

The EMD library had copies of all of the railroad industry publications going back into the 40’s and I remember seeing a blurb about these cars that stated that some of them were assigned to the Omar Bakery in Indianapolis for flour service.  I don’t imagine that they lasted long in that service as that design of car was not particularly well suited for flour service but it is not beyond comprehension that the Monon gave it a try back in that era.

 

Bill Darnaby

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Aufderheide
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 4:43 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Monon Covered Hopper 4240

 

Scott,

The Bob's photo I mentioned was taken in Ottawa IL, famous for it's silica sand pits.  I have been told by an ex-Monon employee these were in glass service for a Chrysler windshield plant in Indianapolis.  I have not been able to find out much about this, however.   Does anyone know about this factory?

In the Monon conductor's reports I have they carry mostly cement, and I think that is why they were purchased.  The Monon served a large cement plant south of Greencastle IN.  (at a station name called "Cement" !)  The cars also carried soda ash and lime.  It is not recorded in these reports, but I have heard they also carried 'limestone dust'; a waste product from stone cutting mills that is used in the cosmetics industry.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide


Re: Smokey Mountain Southern 1953 54'-5" gondola

George Eichelberger
 

Eric:

ALL of the drawings for the electrode and coil steel cars (and covers) and the track cars are in the SRHA archives. While the  coil covers could be scratchbuilt, they would be good candidates for resin castings. If anyone is interested in making those masters, or doing casting work with the various WriteTrak masters and molds SRHA acquired, please contact me off-line.

Here is a current (partial) photo of Sou 59012. I will cut a 1/4 or 3/8” wood dowel dipped in black paint to represent the electrodes. I struggled to make the rack assemblies the movable bulkhead sits on until I saw the engraving on a large metal file. There is a section at the handle end that has engraving going only one way. By clamping a piece of styrene to the file, it produced a credible representation of the racks (visible in the photo).

I have mentioned the quantity and quality of Southern drawings before. Here’s an example of the stenciling on the moveable bulkhead.

Ike




Re: Real or no?

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 08:59 AM, Randy Hees wrote:
Following up on Tim's statement.  When doing a comprehensive car inspection (required for a waiver on a 50 year+ old freight car used on a FRA regulated tourist railroad) the FRA will require you to inspect to the standards published in the AAR interchange manual.  The last AAR manual containing 40 ton and 50 ton cars is the 1975 manual and supplement.  (which includes solid journal bearings.)
But that point is moot because the FRA wasn't created until SEVEN YEARS after the cut-off date of this discussion group. Yes, in our era the ICC could make force of law rulings, but only in areas where Congress had specifically empowered it to do so, such as safety appliances, power brakes, automatic couplers, etc. Prior to the FRA, there was no overall regulation of the age of rolling stock, it simple had to be properly maintained, and meet certain other requirements to be used in UNRESTRICTED INTERCHANGE. Equipment used solely on the owner's property could be equipped however they wished, which is why we of a certain age could find all sorts of neat antiques in company service. And, as Tim O' pointed out, these antiques could even go off line if the connecting road agreed.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Real or no?

Randy Hees
 

Following up on Tim's statement.  When doing a comprehensive car inspection (required for a waiver on a 50 year+ old freight car used on a FRA regulated tourist railroad) the FRA will require you to inspect to the standards published in the AAR interchange manual.  The last AAR manual containing 40 ton and 50 ton cars is the 1975 manual and supplement.  (which includes solid journal bearings.)

You can get a waiver for multiple issues... for example for age (50+ years) for lettering (the lettering required for a waiver car is larger than historic reporting marks, and potentially for other issues like cast truck frames with dates before 1926, wheel style, draft gear etc... )

Randy Hees


Re: Photo: Armored CN Gondola With Anti-Aircraft Guns (1942)

Kenneth Montero
 

Garth,

You are correct regarding WWII. Thank you.

Other time-appropriate sources would be the Association of American Railroads "Loading of Commodities on Open Tops Cars" (someone in this group provided a link to a partial of the 1949 version) and the Navy Department, as well as the War Department.

Ken Montero

On 11/06/2020 5:08 AM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Ken and Bruce,

Remember the DOD didn't exist during WWII. Before 1947, we had the separate Navy Department and the War Department. Why is this important to your discussion? Because pre-1947 manuals for these weapons will be found in separate sections in archives. My first real job in the academic library world was in the Government Documents Department at the University of Virginia, which was a designated GPO depository (there are two of these in every state). As such we held paper copies of perhaps a million government documents and publications. I spent a lot of time break time looking at DOD materials, but was delighted to discover that we also had even older stuff up to 1947 in a separate War Department section, including a few manuals on military rail transportation (mandatory FC content). If you are looking for older stuff about 1942 guns on railroad cars, you are going to need to look for War Department documents. Sadly many of these older pieces have never been digitized.

This isn't about railroads, per se, but one of the prizes I found was a War Department book with "builder's photos" of various trucks supplied to the Army. Many of these were more-or-less off-the-shelf 1940 Ford, GMC and Dodge trucks. Except for tires and paint, these were virtually identical to trucks sold to the civilian firms, and many were later sold off as surplus after the war (especially fire engines). I copied out many of these for modeling purposes.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff (retired paraprofessional librarian)  🦆

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 10:06 PM Kenneth Montero < va661midlo@...> wrote:
Bruce,

Look at Railway Prototype Cyclopedia, Vol. 20, pages 1-85, especially p. 67. I am sure that there are some DOD manuals online for much more of the same.

Ken Montero
On 11/05/2020 6:18 PM Bruce Smith < smithbf@...> wrote:


Also some pretty nice 40 mm bofors in HO on Shapeways. I have 2 dual mounts for loading on a PRR F37 flat car, if I could only find a diagram/photo to guide my blocking and tie downs!

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Mac shp <mshepler8387@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 2:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Armored CN Gondola With Anti-Aircraft Guns (1942)


1/87 bofors
https://www.wespemodels.com/bofors_aa_40mm_wes_87073?search=bofors%20
Search the Wespe site and you may find it as a kit (tiny resin parts beware) and built up




Re: Firecracker Antennas (as freight)

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Tim. Sounds like I need to check the delivery dates for the late Q road numbers to see if they might have come with antennas, though of course the railroad could have installed them after purchase. There’s a great two part Burlington Bulletin on the SD 7s and 9s, but for some reason the GPs haven’t been exhaustively covered in bulletins, so most of the modeling information about the GPs has to come from photos.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2020 8:53 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Firecracker Antennas (as freight)

 


Early 1950's is when they were introduced. This is a 1955 photo.

The upright antenna is almost invisible - just a "whip" antenna.

Sorry Jeff but antennas were sometimes transported in freight cars, so this is a cargo commodity we're talking about. :-D



On 11/4/2020 6:08 PM, mark_landgraf via groups.io wrote:

The answer is the mid 1960s

 

They are still manufactured by Antenna Specialist model ASP-16. It's 11.4 inches tall. It currently sells for $293. 

 

Looking in the Diesel Spotters Guide the GP-18 in 1963 had one. 

 

U25B and U28C manufactured in the mid 1960s had them. 

 

Mark Landgraf

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 5:48 PM, Nelson Moyer

<npmoyer@...> wrote:

While setting up my new Athearn CB&Q GP-7 241, I noticed a firecracker antenna on the roof. Athearn’s CB&Q GP-7 218 doesn’t have one. What year were firecracker antennas introduced? My F units with antennas all have wagon wheels, so I’m trying to avoid anachronisms. I have photos of #241 with and without the firecracker antenna, but I don’t have any information about when it was installed. The side sill strips are red and yellow before Scotchlite safety stipes were used. One of my 241 photos also has a GP-30 I Chinese Red and Gray, if that helps date the firecracker.

 

Nelson Moyer

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Monon Covered Hopper 4240

william darnaby
 

The EMD library had copies of all of the railroad industry publications going back into the 40’s and I remember seeing a blurb about these cars that stated that some of them were assigned to the Omar Bakery in Indianapolis for flour service.  I don’t imagine that they lasted long in that service as that design of car was not particularly well suited for flour service but it is not beyond comprehension that the Monon gave it a try back in that era.

 

Bill Darnaby

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Aufderheide
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 4:43 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Monon Covered Hopper 4240

 

Scott,

The Bob's photo I mentioned was taken in Ottawa IL, famous for it's silica sand pits.  I have been told by an ex-Monon employee these were in glass service for a Chrysler windshield plant in Indianapolis.  I have not been able to find out much about this, however.   Does anyone know about this factory?

In the Monon conductor's reports I have they carry mostly cement, and I think that is why they were purchased.  The Monon served a large cement plant south of Greencastle IN.  (at a station name called "Cement" !)  The cars also carried soda ash and lime.  It is not recorded in these reports, but I have heard they also carried 'limestone dust'; a waste product from stone cutting mills that is used in the cosmetics industry.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide


Re: Real or no?

Tim O'Connor
 


Ahem. These so-called "bans" were not outright bans -- Cars with "outlawed" equipment were simply not approved
for UNRESTRICTED INTERCHANGE. Railroads could voluntarily continue to use such equipment and railroads could
interchange them by MUTUAL AGREEMENT. I saw many cars with plain bearing trucks being interchanged between
railroads after plain bearings were "banned" in the 1990's.

And these were AAR rules as far as I know. The ICC or FRA would be the authority that gave regulations of this kind the
power of law.


On 11/5/2020 2:05 PM, Kenneth Montero wrote:
Bob,

I stand corrected. Thank you.

The article cited by Bill Darnaby discussed the Pennsylvania's decision not to accept in interchange most cars equipped with these trucks. Those that were accepted had been modified.

Ken Montero
On 11/05/2020 11:35 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Allied Full-Cushion trucks were banned from interchange in 1959. I don't believe they were ever outlawed, that is, prohibited by law or regulation backed by law.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Banned from Interchange - was Re: Real or no?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Eric;

 

I can’t find all my MW photos, but here are a couple.  PRR had batches of XL box cars converted to camp cars, flangers, etc.  I can attest also to them sitting most of the time, not being moved.  Prior to a move, there would be a small gang of guys that showed up to make sure they were movable and had working brakes.

 

Some PRR twins made it into MW is the fifties, as need for those cars dropped off.

 

My friend Al Buchan and I had many conversations about the challenges of running a MW fleet full of cars that were mostly ignored and long past their prime.  I wish we still had him here for us to talk about the various trains they populated.  He was one of the people charged with converting old HW Pullmans to combined KDRS-14 (kitchen,dining,recreation,sleeping for 14 men) when the XL’s and X23’s were deemed less populable for crews.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 9:45 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Banned from Interchange - was Re: Real or no?

 

In the late 1970s, I worked for a drug store in Indiana, PA, that also delivered home health supplies like oxygen tanks, beds, walkers, etc. A few deliveries were made to Blairsville and Derry, PA, which were along active parts of the former PRR. I recall seeing ratty yellow MoW cars on sidings. There were old GLa composite gondolas and X23 boxcars converted to storage and camp cars. Sadly, I did not take a camera on these trips to capture these fading relics working out their final years.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mont Switzer
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 8:08 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Banned from Interchange - was Re: Real or no?

 

Jim,

 

Consider the cost to keep them serviceable and safe.  Mofw cars usually set most of the time only  requiring inspection and maintenance when scheduled to move.

 

Mont Switzer 

 


Rapido F30A/D/G Flat Car

Gerald Henriksen
 


Re: Smokey Mountain Southern 1953 54'-5" gondola

Tim O'Connor
 


Well built model of a fine resin kit. I do hope the cars will be released again.


On 11/5/2020 10:09 AM, O Fenton Wells wrote:
I just finished another Covid build.  This is a Smokey Mountain Southern, 1953 blt date, 53'-6" gondola.  Jim at Smokey Mt has sold this line of models and it appears the new owner is going to release this car in the near future.
This is a nicely done one piece casting with well done resin and etched metal details.  I haven't figured what load to put in it as of now.
Fenton

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Real or no?

Tim O'Connor
 


Athearn appears to have gotten the correct lettering colors.


On 11/4/2020 12:10 PM, Kenneth Montero wrote:
Clark,

It is an authentic paint job of the body, and the lettering scheme is correct, but the wrong lettering color (white portion is correct, but the rest of it should be blue, not black).
See Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Vol. 6, p. 17 (black & white photo of a similar car, text of this scheme in the note attached to this photo ).

Ken Montero
On 11/04/2020 11:41 AM Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:


A friend bought me the attached car thinking I'd like it. Flash Sells! Anyway, is this the car there's some controversy over whether it was really painted this way or just an artist painting it on the negative?
Was it a real paint scheme or not?

Thanks,
Clark Propst


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Firecracker Antennas (as freight)

Tim O'Connor
 


Early 1950's is when they were introduced. This is a 1955 photo.

The upright antenna is almost invisible - just a "whip" antenna.

Sorry Jeff but antennas were sometimes transported in freight cars, so this is a cargo commodity we're talking about. :-D



On 11/4/2020 6:08 PM, mark_landgraf via groups.io wrote:
The answer is the mid 1960s

They are still manufactured by Antenna Specialist model ASP-16. It's 11.4 inches tall. It currently sells for $293. 

Looking in the Diesel Spotters Guide the GP-18 in 1963 had one. 

U25B and U28C manufactured in the mid 1960s had them. 

Mark Landgraf


On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 5:48 PM, Nelson Moyer

While setting up my new Athearn CB&Q GP-7 241, I noticed a firecracker antenna on the roof. Athearn’s CB&Q GP-7 218 doesn’t have one. What year were firecracker antennas introduced? My F units with antennas all have wagon wheels, so I’m trying to avoid anachronisms. I have photos of #241 with and without the firecracker antenna, but I don’t have any information about when it was installed. The side sill strips are red and yellow before Scotchlite safety stipes were used. One of my 241 photos also has a GP-30 I Chinese Red and Gray, if that helps date the firecracker.

 

Nelson Moyer



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Banned from Interchange - was Re: Real or no?

Eric Hansmann
 

In the late 1970s, I worked for a drug store in Indiana, PA, that also delivered home health supplies like oxygen tanks, beds, walkers, etc. A few deliveries were made to Blairsville and Derry, PA, which were along active parts of the former PRR. I recall seeing ratty yellow MoW cars on sidings. There were old GLa composite gondolas and X23 boxcars converted to storage and camp cars. Sadly, I did not take a camera on these trips to capture these fading relics working out their final years.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mont Switzer
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 8:08 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Banned from Interchange - was Re: Real or no?

 

Jim,

 

Consider the cost to keep them serviceable and safe.  Mofw cars usually set most of the time only  requiring inspection and maintenance when scheduled to move.

 

Mont Switzer 

 


Re: Banned from Interchange - was Re: Real or no?

Jerry Michels
 

Ron, regarding the 50-year-old underframe retirement question,  I started photographing MP cabooses in earnest in the late 1970s and early 1980s.  Large numbers were retired and stored at Sedalia because of this rule.  Especially the Sedalia and DeSoto home-built cars. Made for some pretty easy pickings for me. Jerry Michels


Re: Banned from Interchange - was Re: Real or no?

Eric Hansmann
 

Of course. I never thought if it from this perspective but it makes sense. Thanks, Dennis!

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 4:28 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Banned from Interchange - was Re: Real or no?

 

Someone should mention, so I will, that most items "banned" from interchange service were about parts inventory rather than safety. The AAR interchange agreement anticipated that most defects were to be repaired where found, with the cost of the repair charged back to the owner road through a system of fixed charges set by the AAR. Antiquated equipment might be fine for a small road that stocked all the parts at their few repair locations, but the majors would grow tired of stocking parts and material that only saw occasional, and dwindling, use. I suspect the ban on K brakes was of this nature. as was the ban on non-standard couplers, which occurred  sometime in the seventies, after our cut-off date.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Smokey Mountain Southern 1953 54'-5" gondola

Eric Hansmann
 

Cool models, Ike! Lots of railroads converted cars for specialty uses. It’s more difficult finding details and photos on these.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 5:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Smokey Mountain Southern 1953 54'-5" gondola

 

The gon is one of the cars SRHA purchased from WrightTrak. We will get it back on the market when we finalize an agreement with someone to do the casting for us. (If anyone is interested in helping, pls contact me.)

It is true, the Southern was the only railroad in the southeast that had this car but they had a LOT of them. In addition to straight gondolas, the Southern created many variants including cars for coiled steel (different covers depending on which shop did the modifications), carbon electrodes used in aluminum smelting and maybe the most complex and unusual.. track panel cars first modified when Inman Yard in Atlanta was rebuilt in the 1950s.

Here are two HO examples. The electrode car is about finished except for lettering. The large moveable bulkhead closest to the camera would be positioned against the load of electrodes stacked between it and the fixed bulkhead at the far end.

The second model is almost unrecognizable as a gondola. Several "drones" and a "master" car traveled together. The stack of track panels were lifted in each car so the bottom panel could be moved to the master (the model in the photo) where an overhead carrier moved them beyond the car to set them in place. The Southern track people really hated them because they were so complex breakdowns were common. Good down-on photos of the prototype have been located that show the cars' piping and mechanics so I think I have enough information to complete the car. (All of the structural drawings are in the SRHA archives but the mechanical parts were added at the Charlotte Roadway Shop and no drawings for that hardware have been found.)

Ike


Re: Banned from Interchange - was Re: Real or no?

Mont Switzer
 

Jim,

Consider the cost to keep them serviceable and safe.  Mofw cars usually set most of the time only  requiring inspection and maintenance when scheduled to move.

Mont Switzer 




Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Jim Betz <jimbetz@...>
Date: 11/5/20 1:28 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Banned from Interchange - was Re: Real or no?

Hi,
  We often hear of equipment that was "banned from interchange".  I get that and it
doesn't surprise me.  So here's the thing ... if something like the Allied trucks are
banned from interchange it is probably the result of a failure (probably repeated)
that caused an accident/derailment/something important.  And I get it that the RR
doesn't want to get rid of "serviceable equipment".  So why was (is?) it acceptable
to put your RR employees at risk by using them in stuff like MOW service?
  Yes, you get some extra miles "for very little cost" ... but wouldn't a single 
employee injury make that savings not worth it?  Why wouldn't just one lawsuit
for "negligence" void all of those savings?
  The same would be true of truss rods, brake equipment, lighting changes, ladders
and ladder placements, etc. etc. etc.  It doesn't seem to make "solid" economic
sense in the long run.  Why wouldn't the unions have objected? 
  What am I missing? 
                                                                                                           - Jim 


Re: Accurail Milw 16xxx

Andy Laurent
 

Digest Mode typically strips all but the first two photos, FYI.

Andy L.
Wisconsin

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