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Scalpels
Lester Breuer
If you have an interest in new tools or a new use for an old tool, my new blog post on scalpels and other handles as Xacto with scalpel blades is available for your read. Photos and writeup of scalpels are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company. If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:
http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/
Lester Breuer
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Re: Interesting 1900-ish boxcar roof
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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I actually felt the concept was pretty groovy...
Claus Schlund
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Re: Interesting 1900-ish boxcar roof
John Barry
No Schuyler, It SEAMED like a good idea. Seriously, I was impressed by the detail of the roof construction. John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696
On Friday, November 6, 2020, 03:54:10 PM EST, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:
Tom, I doubt a GN car would have the word NORTHE . . . stenciled on the side . . .
But other than that, I think it’s interesting that the boards making up the roof have two grooves milled into them, one along each edge, and are alternated so that whatever water goes through the joints of the upper layer has a good chance of getting into the grooves of the lower layer and then draining out.
Seemed like a good design at the time . . .
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Madden via groups.io
The attached photo is in the current issue of a historical society publication from my home area in northeastern PA. (Scan courtesy of the editor.) The caption states "Sam Nevin in Columbia Township, Flathead County, Montana". Sam was a sawmill laborer who arrived there in 1900 and by 1910 was back in PA. Interesting pattern in the wood sheathed roof, and look at how neat those stacks of lumber are. Probably a GN car as that's GN country.
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John Golden, please contact me offline
Dave Nelson
I have some digital reference material (period maps, drawn 1” to 100’) for the West Belt Line you may find useful.
Dave Nelson
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Re: Photo: NYC Boxcar 257799
lrkdbn
Yes, it was rebuilt by Ryan- #257799 was in a Ryan ad in the 1922 CBD, along with a really neat rebuild of a King patent hopper car, also for NYC. The Lsection trucks I agree were probably original.
Larry King
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Photo: N&W Livestock Car 29000 (Undated)
Photo: N&W Livestock Car 29000 (Undated) A photo from the Virginia Tech University Libraries: https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/NS2777.jpeg Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Update from YMW
Pierre Oliver
https://elgincarshops.blogspot.com/2020/11/it-may-not-look-like-much.html
-- Pierre Oliver www.elgincarshops.com www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
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Easy Cab
To Easy Cab users.
I have two Easy Cab throttles to give away for $ 5.00 to help cover the cost of shipping. These have never been used as I decided to go to NCE prior to installing Easy Cab. Please respond off site. Jim Kubanick
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Re: Interesting 1900-ish boxcar roof
Bruce I was thinking it might be "beaded" siding - it didn't look like a vee to mee.
On 11/7/2020 8:41 AM, Bruce Smith wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Interesting 1900-ish boxcar roof
Tim,
We've talked about a number of times, It is called Vee center Vee. The board are milled so that there is both a vee at the joint and a vee in center of the board.
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn,AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 7:31 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting 1900-ish boxcar roof I think the Northern gives it away. ;-) What is that wood pattern on the car sides called? It doesn't look like board by board siding. Novelty siding maybe? On 11/6/2020 3:07 PM, Tom Madden via groups.io wrote: The attached photo is in the current issue of a historical society publication from my home area in northeastern PA. (Scan courtesy of the editor.) The caption states "Sam Nevin in Columbia Township, Flathead County, Montana". Sam was a sawmill laborer who arrived there in 1900 and by 1910 was back in PA. Interesting pattern in the wood sheathed roof, and look at how neat those stacks of lumber are. Probably a GN car as that's GN country. -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Interesting 1900-ish boxcar roof
I think the Northern gives it away. ;-) What is that wood pattern on the car sides called? It doesn't look like board by board siding. Novelty siding maybe?
On 11/6/2020 3:07 PM, Tom Madden via groups.io wrote:
The attached photo is in the current issue of a historical society publication from my home area in northeastern PA. (Scan courtesy of the editor.) The caption states "Sam Nevin in Columbia Township, Flathead County, Montana". Sam was a sawmill laborer who arrived there in 1900 and by 1910 was back in PA. Interesting pattern in the wood sheathed roof, and look at how neat those stacks of lumber are. Probably a GN car as that's GN country. --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Photo: NYC Boxcar 257799
Dave Parker
Lot 292-B was ex-LS&MS 89000-89999 before renumbering into NYC 257000-257999. I can't read the rebuilder's stencil, but Ryan (Chicago) is what's in the caption of a copy I received from Ray Breyer. The NYCL had several other shorty series of 1000 cars each as candidates for comprising the other half of that order.
The rebuild included the Murphy roof and ends (the "innie" variety). I'm less sure about the rucks. They look like L-section Andrews, and could well have been original in 1912. -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA
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Re: Photo: Monon Covered Hopper 4240
Mont,
Thanks, you cleared up a long standing mystery! Engine blocks not windshields. Regards, Mike
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Re: Interesting 1900-ish boxcar roof
Dennis Storzek
On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 02:11 PM, Jeff Helm wrote:
Those lumber stacks look like they could be plywood veneer.Not much plywood production in 1900, that had to wait for better glues. Meanwhile labor was cheap, and even stacks kept the boards from twisting as they dried. This is classic air drying before planing, quite common in Wisconsin, too. Every layer of boards is placed on "stickers" to promote airflow through the stack. You'll also want to note the boards allowed to stick out every dozen or so layers; these provided a stairway of sorts for the guys who worked the top of the stack, both while building it and taking it down later. Dennis Storzek
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Re: Interesting 1900-ish boxcar roof
Jeff Helm
Those lumber stacks look like they could be plywood veneer. They look like sheets or panels rather than individual boards and there appear to be spacers to allow drying. One would expect those to ship in a boxcar, if not processed on site.
-- Jeff Helm Bremerton WA
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Re: Photo: NYC Boxcar 257799
ROGER HINMAN
I read the logo as Ryan Car Company, they did get an order to rebuild 2000 box cars from NYC in 1922. My notes show this as PSC built Lot 292-B in 1912.
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Re: Interesting 1900-ish boxcar roof
ROGER HINMAN
Note the “Nothern” in the photo is much closer to the end of the car,
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Roger Hinman
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Re: Interesting 1900-ish boxcar roof
Dennis Storzek
On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 12:07 PM, Tom Madden wrote:
Interesting pattern in the wood sheathed roof,Tom, that's the classic double board roof used by lots of roads in that era. Milwaukee Road was another big user. The rabbets milled on the face of the board are actually intended to act like gutters, diverting most of the water away from the crack between the boards. What did go through the crack ended up in the middle of the board below, and there was another gutter before it could seep to the crack between the boards on that layer. Was it perfect? No, but it was cheap, and effective enough that it remained in use on stockcars long after other car types had universally gone to metal roofs. I guess cattle are by their nature waterproof, and there is not much chance they will shrink. Dennis Storzek
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Re: Interesting 1900-ish boxcar roof
Eric Hansmann
A very nice view if the double-board roof. Now I wonder how many lines used these double-grooved boards to channel water away.
Thanks, Tom!
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Madden via groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 2:07 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Interesting 1900-ish boxcar roof
The attached photo is in the current issue of a historical society publication from my home area in northeastern PA. (Scan courtesy of the editor.) The caption states "Sam Nevin in Columbia Township, Flathead County, Montana". Sam was a sawmill laborer who arrived there in 1900 and by 1910 was back in PA. Interesting pattern in the wood sheathed roof, and look at how neat those stacks of lumber are. Probably a GN car as that's GN country.
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Re: Interesting 1900-ish boxcar roof
Schuyler Larrabee
Well, OK, MAYBE . . . 😊
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Madden via groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2020 4:02 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting 1900-ish boxcar roof
On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 01:54 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
Ummmm....
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