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Re: Interesting 1900-ish boxcar roof

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 02:11 PM, Jeff Helm wrote:
Those lumber stacks look like they could be plywood veneer.
Not much plywood production in 1900, that had to wait for better glues. Meanwhile labor was cheap, and even stacks kept the boards from twisting as they dried. This is classic air drying before planing, quite common in Wisconsin, too. Every layer of boards is placed on "stickers" to promote airflow through the stack. You'll also want to note the boards allowed to stick out every dozen or so layers; these provided a stairway of sorts for the guys who worked the top of the stack, both while building it and taking it down later.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Interesting 1900-ish boxcar roof

Jeff Helm
 

Those lumber stacks look like they could be plywood veneer.  They look like sheets or panels rather than individual boards and there appear to be spacers to allow drying.  One would expect those to ship in a boxcar, if not processed on site.
--
Jeff Helm
Bremerton WA


Re: Photo: NYC Boxcar 257799

ROGER HINMAN
 

I read the logo as Ryan Car Company, they did get an order to rebuild 2000 box cars from NYC in 1922. My notes show this as PSC built Lot 292-B in 1912.

Roger Hinman

On Nov 6, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: NYC Boxcar 257799
A photo from the National Archives of Canada:
This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.
Car built in 1912
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Interesting 1900-ish boxcar roof

ROGER HINMAN
 

Note the “Nothern” in the photo is much closer to the end of the car,

Roger Hinman


On Nov 6, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Tom Madden via groups.io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 01:54 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
Tom, I doubt a GN car would have the word NORTHE . . . stenciled on the side . . .
 
Ummmm....

https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/images/uploads/10403_77010_full_1.jpg

Tom Madden

 

 



Re: Interesting 1900-ish boxcar roof

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 12:07 PM, Tom Madden wrote:
Interesting pattern in the wood sheathed roof,
Tom, that's the classic double board roof used by lots of roads in that era. Milwaukee Road was another big user. The rabbets milled on the face of the board are actually intended to act like gutters, diverting most of the water away from the crack between the boards. What did go through the crack ended up in the middle of the board below, and there was another gutter before it could seep to the crack between the boards on that layer. Was it perfect? No, but it was cheap, and effective enough that it remained in use on stockcars long after other car types had universally gone to metal roofs. I guess cattle are by their nature waterproof, and there is not much chance they will shrink.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Interesting 1900-ish boxcar roof

Eric Hansmann
 

A very nice view if the double-board roof. Now I wonder how many lines used these double-grooved boards to channel water away.

 

Thanks, Tom!

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Madden via groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 2:07 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Interesting 1900-ish boxcar roof

 

The attached photo is in the current issue of a historical society publication from my home area in northeastern PA. (Scan courtesy of the editor.) The caption states "Sam Nevin in Columbia Township, Flathead County, Montana". Sam was a sawmill laborer who arrived there in 1900 and by 1910 was back in PA. Interesting pattern in the wood sheathed roof, and look at how neat those stacks of lumber are. Probably a GN car as that's GN country.

Tom Madden


Re: Interesting 1900-ish boxcar roof

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Well, OK, MAYBE . . .  😊

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Madden via groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2020 4:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting 1900-ish boxcar roof

 

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 01:54 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Tom, I doubt a GN car would have the word NORTHE . . . stenciled on the side . . .

 

Ummmm....

https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/images/uploads/10403_77010_full_1.jpg

Tom Madden

 

 


Re: Interesting 1900-ish boxcar roof

Tom Madden
 

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 01:54 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Tom, I doubt a GN car would have the word NORTHE . . . stenciled on the side . . .

 

Ummmm....

https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/images/uploads/10403_77010_full_1.jpg

Tom Madden

 

 


Re: Photo: Armored CN Gondola With Anti-Aircraft Guns (1942)

Andy Laurent
 

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 08:38 AM, Kenneth Montero wrote:
 
Other time-appropriate sources would be the Association of American Railroads "Loading of Commodities on Open Tops Cars" (someone in this group provided a link to a partial of the 1949 version) and the Navy Department, as well as the War Department.
I checked my copy of the AAR pub.  Neither the 1947 version, nor 1949 Supplement 2, include references to loading gun mounts.  But I recall seeing them before.

Andy L.
Wisconsin
 

 


Re: Interesting 1900-ish boxcar roof

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Tom, I doubt a GN car would have the word NORTHE . . . stenciled on the side . . .

 

But other than that, I think it’s interesting that the boards making up the roof have two grooves milled into them, one along each edge, and are alternated so that whatever water goes through the joints of the upper layer has a good chance of getting into the grooves of the lower layer and then draining out.

 

Seemed like a good design at the time . . .

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Madden via groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2020 3:07 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Interesting 1900-ish boxcar roof

 

The attached photo is in the current issue of a historical society publication from my home area in northeastern PA. (Scan courtesy of the editor.) The caption states "Sam Nevin in Columbia Township, Flathead County, Montana". Sam was a sawmill laborer who arrived there in 1900 and by 1910 was back in PA. Interesting pattern in the wood sheathed roof, and look at how neat those stacks of lumber are. Probably a GN car as that's GN country.

Tom Madden


Photo: PRR Livestock Car 125060

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Livestock Car 125060

A photo from the National Archives of Canada:

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/CollectionSearch/Pages/record.aspx?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=3603429

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Car possibly built in 1910.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Grand Trunk Boxcar 311896 (1914)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Grand Trunk Boxcar 311896 (1914)

A photo from the National Archives of Canada:

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/CollectionSearch/Pages/record.aspx?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=3228046

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

This car has a "Rush" placard.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


CN Boxcar 319485

Bob Chaparro
 

CN Boxcar 319485

A photo from the National Archives of Canada:

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/CollectionSearch/Pages/record.aspx?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=3271635

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Car built in 1910

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Unidentified Boxcar "With Metal Roof"

Bob Chaparro
 

Unidentified Boxcar "With Metal Roof"

A photo from the National Archives of Canada:

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/CollectionSearch/Pages/record.aspx?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=3603442

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: NYC Boxcar 257799

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: NYC Boxcar 257799

A photo from the National Archives of Canada:

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/CollectionSearch/Pages/record.aspx?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=4427350

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Car built in 1912

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Interesting 1900-ish boxcar roof

Tom Madden
 

The attached photo is in the current issue of a historical society publication from my home area in northeastern PA. (Scan courtesy of the editor.) The caption states "Sam Nevin in Columbia Township, Flathead County, Montana". Sam was a sawmill laborer who arrived there in 1900 and by 1910 was back in PA. Interesting pattern in the wood sheathed roof, and look at how neat those stacks of lumber are. Probably a GN car as that's GN country.

Tom Madden


Re: Photo: Monon Covered Hopper 4240

Mont Switzer
 

Mike and all,

As far as I know the Ottawa, IL sand went to Chrysler Foundry on Indianapolis west side.  Sand from Michigan City may have gone there too. 

FYI Chrysler Foundry consumed 1000 cu. Ft.. Of sand every 4 hours Monday thru Friday.  On weekends volume went to 1000 cf every 8 hours.

Mont Switzer 



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-------- Original message --------
From: Michael Aufderheide <MononInMonon@...>
Date: 11/5/20 5:43 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Monon Covered Hopper 4240

Scott,

The Bob's photo I mentioned was taken in Ottawa IL, famous for it's silica sand pits.  I have been told by an ex-Monon employee these were in glass service for a Chrysler windshield plant in Indianapolis.  I have not been able to find out much about this, however.   Does anyone know about this factory?

In the Monon conductor's reports I have they carry mostly cement, and I think that is why they were purchased.  The Monon served a large cement plant south of Greencastle IN.  (at a station name called "Cement" !)  The cars also carried soda ash and lime.  It is not recorded in these reports, but I have heard they also carried 'limestone dust'; a waste product from stone cutting mills that is used in the cosmetics industry.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide


Re: BAR Caboose (was: Banned from Interchange)

Mont Switzer
 

Monon left them on troop kitchen cars converted to storage mail cars after they were placed in MofW service.

Those still in passenger service after 1959 got ASF A3s.  I have one photo of a car after 1959 that had not yet been converted.

Mont Switzer 



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-------- Original message --------
From: Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
Date: 11/5/20 6:35 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] BAR Caboose (was: Banned from Interchange)

Friends,

Quite a few railroads did keep Allied Full-Cushion Trucks running for a loooooong time in on-line service. The attached photo of a BAR caboose (in preservation at Tilton, New Hampshire. by the time I found it) shows this. I also saw C&O MW cars up with Allied trucks still in use up into the 1990s.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


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Re: Photo: Monon Covered Hopper 4240

Mont Switzer
 

Bill and all,

Only one LO  ended up dedicated to Omar Baking in Indianapolis.  If I recall correctly from diagrams it was fitted with 20 inch circular round hatch openings ON the original square hatch covers.

Mont Switzer 



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-------- Original message --------
From: william darnaby <wdarnaby@...>
Date: 11/6/20 11:17 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Monon Covered Hopper 4240

The EMD library had copies of all of the railroad industry publications going back into the 40’s and I remember seeing a blurb about these cars that stated that some of them were assigned to the Omar Bakery in Indianapolis for flour service.  I don’t imagine that they lasted long in that service as that design of car was not particularly well suited for flour service but it is not beyond comprehension that the Monon gave it a try back in that era.

 

Bill Darnaby

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Aufderheide
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 4:43 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Monon Covered Hopper 4240

 

Scott,

The Bob's photo I mentioned was taken in Ottawa IL, famous for it's silica sand pits.  I have been told by an ex-Monon employee these were in glass service for a Chrysler windshield plant in Indianapolis.  I have not been able to find out much about this, however.   Does anyone know about this factory?

In the Monon conductor's reports I have they carry mostly cement, and I think that is why they were purchased.  The Monon served a large cement plant south of Greencastle IN.  (at a station name called "Cement" !)  The cars also carried soda ash and lime.  It is not recorded in these reports, but I have heard they also carried 'limestone dust'; a waste product from stone cutting mills that is used in the cosmetics industry.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide

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