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FW&D 7231 Accurail kitbash

Robert kirkham
 

Thought I'd share a model I completed this morning.  Or thought I had completed - I see a couple of touch ups needed.  

This is an Accurail 4300 kit, cut down to better represent the 8'6" IH.  Uses decals from Jerry Hansmith.

Rob


Re: Pool Service into California

O Fenton Wells
 

George Eichelberger at SRHA did a clinic on SR pool cars a few years ago and he may have the SR cars involved.
Fenton

On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 10:40 PM Fred Swanson via groups.io <fredswanson=rocketmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Many cars serving the auto industry were in pool service.  Are there listings or other information on what lines to and from where, when?
Fred Swanson



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Was there ever a clinic on Delano-based paint and weathering?

Tony Thompson
 

Dave Evans asked:
Where can one find his images? Lighting in Colorado is normally quite different from Pennsylvania, and during WWII, Colorado was much more pristine, but they could provide a useful data point.

     I don't know. Richard Hendrickson had obtained copies of slides from a narrow gauge source, which I've seen (those slides went to John Signor). I would guess checking with knowledgeable NG folks would be the way to start.

Tony Thompson




Re: Pool Service into California

Tony Thompson
 

Fred Swanson wrote:

Many cars serving the auto industry were in pool service.  Are there listings or other information on what lines to and from where, when?

  I don't know of such information all in one place. I was able to access SP car assignments by car number to a whole range of auto parts pools, and those data are in my Volumes 3 and 4 of the series, _Southern Pacific Freight Cars_ mostly in the form of tables of data. But I did not know who else was in the various pools.

Tony Thompson




Re: Decals for scale locations and light weights

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Charlie,

One of the C&O's most common marks was RA for Raceland, Kentucky. That was their biggest car shop.

Some Southern locations I spotted in photos are CR, K, MDN, HE, ALX (likely Alexandria, VA), AUG (Augusta, GA?), BN, JAX (surely Jacksonville, Fl), INM, ATL (Atlanta), TUSCA (Tuscaloosa?), LP, CIN. HE seems to most common, followed by JAX. I would also go for AUG and ATL, as they are recognizable and scream "South!". 

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:14 AM Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:

Thanks for all the responses on the common scales. All that’s remaining is the C&O, GN, Milwaukee, Seaboard Air Line and Southern.  Just send these to omahaduck (at) gmail (dot) com  

I went though my photos this week and will scan the images I have for Humbert to match the lettering.  Any gaps I’ll ask for help.  
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Was there ever a clinic on Delano-based paint and weathering?

Andy Carlson
 

About 10 years ago, Richard Hendrickson gave a Naperville clinic on steam era weathering and how it differed markably from the post-steam era. To illustrate the idea, Richard's screen had a lot of Maxwell's pre-war Kodachrome shots of freight trains traversing through Colorado canyons.  With D&RGW articulated power, many shots with mid-train and rear helpers. Dozens of freight car illustrating the extreme weathering captured brilliantly for such a cool time without of lot of color photos.

As the subject was about how severe much of the freight cars' finishes were, Richard took advantage of some screens to make a point about some non-weathered issues of railroads.

My favorite was when he pointed out a Grand Trunk Western box car, which may have been a single sheathed auto car among the consist of a beautiful freight train. The professor instincts came out as he asked "What is a GTW box car doing here in Tennesee Pass?" Some wag in the audience yelled out "about 10 miles per hour".

Richard took audience participation as well as anyone, as we have seen over the years at the RPMs. Adding to his rail history, his sense of humor was a joy to be around and he was kind to the heckler. He left us way too early, and I miss him a lot.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Saturday, November 14, 2020, 8:51:43 AM PST, devansprr <devans1@...> wrote:


On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 05:22 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
No one has mentioned the Robert Maxwell Colorado color from the 1940s, both standard and narrow gauge. Many of the images have beautiful color.


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Re: ISTX 539 - piping rig

Andy Laurent
 

Attached is a second David Marcham photo of that train, posted after I sent the photo to you...Paul notes it as a Bogle weed sprayer, and there are a couple of Type 7 / TM-8 tank cars in the consist behind the ISTX car.

Cheers,
Andy L.
Wisconsin


ISTX 539 - piping rig

Andy Laurent
 

Gents,
Attached is a photo that Paul McCray posted in a Facebook group that I follow.  It shows an 8,000 gallon tank car owned by the Interstate Tank Car Corporation on the Washington & Old Dominion RR in Falls Church, VA sometime after 1956 (when the loco was delivered).  Note the interesting 3-line piping rig that runs along the walkway and up to the dome on either side of the walkway.  It appears to connect to the next car in line via a hose, and there is a fitting at the other end of the car for the same type of connection.  Is this a weed-spray train?  The 1955 ORER shows this as a TM, no special equipment other than heater coils is noted.

Andy L. 
Wisconsin


Photo: Photo: Missouri Pacific Gondola 23724

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Photo: Missouri Pacific Gondola 23724

A photo from the National Archives of Canada:

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/CollectionSearch/Pages/record.aspx?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=3933067

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: New York Central & Hudson River Tank Car W-6050 (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: New York Central & Hudson River Tank Car W-6050 (Undated)

A photo from the National Archives of Canada:

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/CollectionSearch/Pages/record.aspx?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=4424970

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Possibly a different car number on the bolster.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Was there ever a clinic on Delano-based paint and weathering?

Brian Carlson
 

When we’re done with color maybe we can bring up IC banana reefers or the J&L tank cars again. (Grin) tongue firmly planted in cheek. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Nov 13, 2020, at 10:18 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Elden sez:

"Kodachrome…..they are the only slides I took that looked like the real thing."

Actually, Elden, they are the only slides that look like your MEMORY of the real thing 😉. Memory is a notoriously tricky thing and tends to "warm" colors, just like Kodachrome. Kodak, or, as we from Rochester like to say, "The Great Yellow Mother to Us All" knew what they were doing. People are pleased when their photos look even better than their memories!

Regards,
Bruce 
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Was there ever a clinic on Delano-based paint and weathering?

Eric Hansmann
 

I woke up this morning about 6:20 am and looked outside to see a beautiful golden cast as the sun was shining in under overcast skies. The clouds are now gone and sunny skies have altered the appearance of everything as I look out my window.

 

Time of day, season of the year, and elevation are other factors that will affect the color and appearance of objects on film.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

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Re: Pool Service into California

Bob Chaparro
 

Just to add some where and when to the post, there were a number of automobile assembly plants in Southern California dating back to 1916. Below is a list, which may be incomplete. This list does not include several truck assembly plants that were located in Southern California as well.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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Southern California Automobile Assembly Plants

 

Chrysler

Commerce, 1929-1971

 

Ford

Los Angeles, 1916-1930 (Santa Fe?)

Pico Rivera, 1957-1980 (Santa Fe)

Long Beach, 1930–1959

Commerce (Lincoln-Mercury)

 

General Motors

South Gate, 1936-1982

Van Nuys, 1947-1992 (Southern Pacific)

 

Kaiser Frazer

Long Beach, 1947-1955?

 

Nash Motors

El Segundo, 1948-1955

 

Studebaker

Vernon, 1936-1956 (Los Angeles Junction Railway)

 

Toyota (Truck Beds)

Long Beach, 1972-2004

 

Willys-Overland

Maywood 1928-1954


Car ID just for fun

David
 

The tank looks like a pre-1917 GATC car (though that doesn't tell you whose car it is), and I'll suggest that the car behind it is a C&O steel-sheathed rebuild of their 1920s auto boxes (the narrow door is on the right).

David Thompson


Re: Car ID just for fun

al_brown03
 

The tank car doesn't have stub side sills, so it isn't AC&F or Union Tank. On top of the dome, the two safety valves are a ways apart, not next to each other, but also not dead opposite. I'm guessing General American, and I'd model it with a Tangent car. (Most of what I know about tank-car spotting comes from Ted Culotta's "Freight Cars Reference Manual", vol 2.)

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Was there ever a clinic on Delano-based paint and weathering?

devansprr
 

On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 05:22 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
No one has mentioned the Robert Maxwell Colorado color from the 1940s, both standard and narrow gauge. Many of the images have beautiful color.
Tony,

Where can one find his images? Lighting in Colorado is normally quite different from Pennsylvania, and during WWII, Colorado was much more pristine, but they could provide a useful data point.

Thank-you,
Dave Evans


Re: Was there ever a clinic on Delano-based paint and weathering?

Charlie Duckworth
 

Jim
Adding to your comments on color discussions some 8% of the male population is color blind and it gets worse as we all age.   


Charlie D. (Who’s green/red colorblind). 

On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:22 AM, Jim Betz <jimbetz@...> wrote:

Guys, guys, guys,

  To paraphrase Jim Wells ... "Just trust your eyes".  

  We are making way too much out of the concept of "the perfect color match" -
and even applying it to the color of weathered freight cars.  

  It's not about the right colors - it's about the right technique of applying a 
color in the correct range of choices for that shade.  Not only how it is 
applied but also when (in the process of weathering an individual car).
  Each 'layer' of color produces a different effect - especially based upon
whether that layer is applied before or after some other layer.  I'm using 
the term "layer" here but I could just as easily have used the term "step
in the weathering process".
  And, perhaps most importantly, "Variety is the Spice of Life" (weathering).
In other words - change stuff up in terms of when you do what, what shade
of "weathered grey" you use on this car -vs- the next, etc.

  Having said that there is the other side of this coin.  Look at any picture
of a freight yard (or a train with more than 20 cars visible) and what you
notice is that there is an overall feeling of same ness ... with a few cars
that stand out - slightly - from the rest.  The goal is to have your yards
and trains look like that ... and if the yards do then the individual cars will
"look right" also.  We all know that the color of the original paint applied
of any particular RR's "box car red" is often a shade different from any
other road's.   But those differences are subtle enough that a quick 
glance at a color picture produces the sense of sameness - not the
sense of "PRR's box cars were painted a different shade of Tuscan
than ATSF's".  Am I recommending that you use just one color for
BCR for all roads?  Absolutely not.  Am I recommending that you
use the same mix of color in the same stage of weathering.  Absolutely
NOT!  
  Repeating myself - it's about getting subtle differences from one car
to the next ... not about developing some "perfect process that you
can use for all the cars you weather" (unless your idea of "perfect" is
to have subtle variations - *G*).
                                                                                                 - Jim

--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Car ID just for fun

O Fenton Wells
 

Don't know much about tank cars but it looks like the next car aft of the tanker is a USRA rebuild.  The 3 bay offset side hopper could be an MDC but I'd opt for the old Stewart, Accurail or Bowser.  Just say'in


On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:33 AM Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:
It's be nice to know the make up of this train (attached) running on the branch l model.

It's obvious the first car is an X31. I've been told the second is a D&H Seley hopper. I have a Bowser X31 and bought the F&C Seley to build this winter. 
Don't know enough about tank cars to guess which HO company offered that car, if any? Not sure the road on the door and a half box Boston & Albany maybe? The hopper kind of looks like the one offered by Roundhouse? Not sure about the last two box cars. I do have a much larger scan I didn't what to attach I can send to those who are really interested in I Ding the cars.
Thanks all!
Clark Propst



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Car ID just for fun

Clark Propst
 

It's be nice to know the make up of this train (attached) running on the branch l model.

It's obvious the first car is an X31. I've been told the second is a D&H Seley hopper. I have a Bowser X31 and bought the F&C Seley to build this winter. 
Don't know enough about tank cars to guess which HO company offered that car, if any? Not sure the road on the door and a half box Boston & Albany maybe? The hopper kind of looks like the one offered by Roundhouse? Not sure about the last two box cars. I do have a much larger scan I didn't what to attach I can send to those who are really interested in I Ding the cars.
Thanks all!
Clark Propst


Re: Was there ever a clinic on Delano-based paint and weathering?

Jim Betz
 

Guys, guys, guys,

  To paraphrase Jim Wells ... "Just trust your eyes".  

  We are making way too much out of the concept of "the perfect color match" -
and even applying it to the color of weathered freight cars.  

  It's not about the right colors - it's about the right technique of applying a 
color in the correct range of choices for that shade.  Not only how it is 
applied but also when (in the process of weathering an individual car).
  Each 'layer' of color produces a different effect - especially based upon
whether that layer is applied before or after some other layer.  I'm using 
the term "layer" here but I could just as easily have used the term "step
in the weathering process".
  And, perhaps most importantly, "Variety is the Spice of Life" (weathering).
In other words - change stuff up in terms of when you do what, what shade
of "weathered grey" you use on this car -vs- the next, etc.

  Having said that there is the other side of this coin.  Look at any picture
of a freight yard (or a train with more than 20 cars visible) and what you
notice is that there is an overall feeling of same ness ... with a few cars
that stand out - slightly - from the rest.  The goal is to have your yards
and trains look like that ... and if the yards do then the individual cars will
"look right" also.  We all know that the color of the original paint applied
of any particular RR's "box car red" is often a shade different from any
other road's.   But those differences are subtle enough that a quick 
glance at a color picture produces the sense of sameness - not the
sense of "PRR's box cars were painted a different shade of Tuscan
than ATSF's".  Am I recommending that you use just one color for
BCR for all roads?  Absolutely not.  Am I recommending that you
use the same mix of color in the same stage of weathering.  Absolutely
NOT!  
  Repeating myself - it's about getting subtle differences from one car
to the next ... not about developing some "perfect process that you
can use for all the cars you weather" (unless your idea of "perfect" is
to have subtle variations - *G*).
                                                                                                 - Jim

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