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Re: Early 20th Century Freight Cars Photograph

Thomas Evans
 

I messed with it a bit & came up with this.

Tom


Re: Decaling and future

radiodial868
 

That's good news. I use MicroSet and Badger Softening solution all the time over 10 year old future and it always dries back up clear again. Some stubborn decals have required many applications of the pin prick and softening solution trick to get it right.
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: partial view of a HERCULES POWDER tank car

Tim O'Connor
 


Probably series 90000 to 99999 - yes, UTLX really did have THOUSANDS of these cars! But of course they
were on hundreds of different leases.



On 11/15/2020 10:14 AM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
I like this color image showing a partial view of a HERCULES POWDER tank car. Too bad we cannot see the road number...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


partial view of a HERCULES POWDER tank car

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
I like this color image showing a partial view of a HERCULES POWDER tank car. Too bad we cannot see the road number...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: National Car Company

Tim O'Connor
 

On 11/14/2020 4:18 PM, O Fenton Wells wrote:
In the steam and transition era I believe the NX cars were owned by the FGEX consortium and was designed to be the meat hauler of the group.  In 1951 a large percentage of their cars were classed as RBM or RSM with meat rails.
Fenton

On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 4:12 PM Rupert Gamlen <gamlenz@...> wrote:

I am trying to identify all the cars in the National Car Company which were owned by the CB&Q / BRE. So far I have MNX 1700-2364, starting in 1949, with 2444-2464 being changed to LLNX in 1967. LLNX was allocated to WFE at that time so I don’t know if they were sold, leased or what.

So, did the BRE own any other National cars?

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ




--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Decaling and future

Eric Hansmann
 

I’ve also noticed a slight milky appearance after applying Solvaset to decals but it clears up overnight.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 11:40 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Decaling and future

 

I took a look at the car while heading to bed tonight and I believe rich is correct. It had been drying for about two hours by then, and I’m very happy to report that everything looked like it should. 

 

This car has been a long time Building so I am very happy it is OK. It’s been my problem child project.

Brian J. Carlson 



On Nov 15, 2020, at 12:25 AM, Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:



Rich,

 

Please let us know if time took care of the problem.

 

Thanks,  Allen Cain


Weathered NKP gondolas

Eric Hansmann
 

A couple HO scale gondolas have been moving through construction stages. Both went through the weathering factory in the last week. The models follow Nickel Plate Road wood gondolas built in the early Teens and were the backbone of the NKP gondola fleet into the 1930s. They have steel centersills and eight truss rods. The one-piece bodies were designed and cast by Dave Campbell. He also did the decal art. Grabs, sill steps, brake hardware, need beams, queen posts, truss rods, turnbuckles, weight, floor, trucks, and couplers were separate items.

 

I model 1926 and wanted these to look weary. Based upon the few prototype images, these gondolas hauled for many different loads and were rarely in pristine condition. The cars were primed then painted with Vallejo Dark Rubber from the Panzer Aces line. The interiors were brush painted with Vallejo burnt umber. My finishing process follows these steps.

 

Prime > paint > gloss (Future) > decal > gloss > flat (tinted with car color) > weathering

 

I usually apply a wash to start the weathering layers, but decided to use Pan Pastels and color pencils. A couple shades of cool grey pencils were used to lighten individual interior boards. A cool grey 10% pencil was used to simulate streaking under the larger lettering.

 

Pan Pastel raw umber (780.5) Pan Pastel was daubed onto the panel surfaces then rubbed into place. Downward motions pulled excess material toward the sill.

 

Pan Pastel neutral grey extra dark (820.1) is my go-to soot color. It was streaked into exterior surfaces with a micro brush. A triangular sponge was used to apply it to interior surfaces and push the material into corners.

 

I tried something different on NKP 4385. I used a micro brush to apply neutral grey (820.5) along a couple exterior boards to convey paint failure. I also accentuated the lettering fade with the same material. I traced over the reporting marks with the cool grey 10% pencil.

 

Lastly, I used the cool grey 10% pencil to add a few chalk marks and to highlight corners and details.

 

I had covered the repack and weigh stencils with Tamiya tape before the weathering process on NKP 7985. When I removed the tape, a couple of decals came with it. I have extras on the decal sheet that need to be installed. Both cars also need air hoses and I’m finishing up the deck for NKP 4385. Both cars will have route cards and a few route card remnants applied.

 

I rarely see fresh looking freight cars in 1920s photos. There is a faded appearance to almost all cars. Lettering takes a hit on many cars as it is fading away or covered by dirt and soot. I have several images where the only legible lettering is the weigh data. Cars built within a couple years of my 1926 focus will receive lighter weathering but everything will have a weathered appearance.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


Was there ever a clinic on Delano-based paint and weathering?

Andy Carlson
 

On Saturday, November 14, 2020, 10:28:00 PM PST, np328 <jcdworkingonthenp@...> wrote:

Andy, 
   with all due respect, are you positive that presentation was "only ten years ago"? 

  *****************                       Jim Dick - St. Paul, MN

I have increasingly found that as I age, my interpretation of time seems to lag a lot. When we are 20 years old, 5 years ago is a long time. Now approaching 70 I am constantly reminded that I under estimate time spans. Where I think of 10 years as truly long ago, I am on mid-century time in my thinking. It seems that I need to adapt a "fudge factor" and automatically add extra years for any of my time estimates. I can't believe I am the only one inflicted this way!

Richard's SRO success was well deserved, his presentations were indeed "must see".

You all do well,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
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Re: Was there ever a clinic on Delano-based paint and weathering?

np328
 

Andy, 
   with all due respect, are you positive that presentation was "only ten years ago"? 
     Not meaning to single that out, after my brother Brian passed away, I am going through a lot of his old Naperville meet data (he set aside all the "folders" Martin used to give us) and and it honestly shocks or surprises me how long ago some of Richards (and Richard and Tony's) presentations were. Comments about Richard are right on.
     You left out the often always SRO of the rooms when Richard was presenting. Get there as soon as the prior presentation broke or stand in the doorway, all presentation long. 
    Of photos, I do recall though with clarity, as Tony relayed in an earlier msg, Richard stating "And you would not believe how dirty the cars were, especially when steam locomotives were still running."  He stated that more than once. Words of enlightenment and wisdom for those who cared to listen.                       Jim Dick - St. Paul, MN 


Re: Decaling and future

Brian Carlson
 

I took a look at the car while heading to bed tonight and I believe rich is correct. It had been drying for about two hours by then, and I’m very happy to report that everything looked like it should. 

This car has been a long time Building so I am very happy it is OK. It’s been my problem child project.

Brian J. Carlson 

On Nov 15, 2020, at 12:25 AM, Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:


Rich,

Please let us know if time took care of the problem.

Thanks,  Allen Cain


Re: Decaling and future

Allen Cain
 

Rich,

Please let us know if time took care of the problem.

Thanks,  Allen Cain


Re: Early 20th Century Freight Cars Photograph

Thomas Evans
 

Interesting mix of narrow & standard gauge cars.
I particularly like the boxcar with its door hanging by one corner!

Tom E.


Re: Decaling and future

Brian Carlson
 

The photo was 10-15 minutes after the last application.  I’m letting it sit till tomorrow now.

Brian J. Carlson 

On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:47 PM, Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:



Brian,

 

How long has it been since you added the decal setting fluid?  I had a similar problem with one of the cars I was finishing last week.  By the next day the discoloration had gone away.  It happened again when I added more decal setting fluid.  Something in the Microscale decal setting fluid was softening the Future, but given enough time, the Future dried clear again.  Hopefully that is what is happening in your case.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

 

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From: Brian Carlson via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 8:52 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Decaling and future

 

Seem to be having a strange reaction between my decals,  decal setting solution, and the future on the side of the tichy rebuilt boxcar. I painted it a few weeks ago, and then clearcoated it with future a week ago, and I’m now decaling using speedwitch decals. I’m getting areas of discoloration that don’t look like normal air trapped under a decal. It’s like a reaction between the setting solution and future. You can even see a little discoloration between the Herald and data that is not decaled. It’s not happening with every decals. I don’t think I’ve ever seen this before. Has anyone ever experienced this?

Paint was Vallejo, Future is probably 5-10 years old.

My thought is to shoot the other side with gloss again before decaling.

Heavy weathering is in the future (no pun intended) I fear.



Brian J. Carlson




 


Re: Decaling and future

Richard Remiarz
 

Brian,

 

How long has it been since you added the decal setting fluid?  I had a similar problem with one of the cars I was finishing last week.  By the next day the discoloration had gone away.  It happened again when I added more decal setting fluid.  Something in the Microscale decal setting fluid was softening the Future, but given enough time, the Future dried clear again.  Hopefully that is what is happening in your case.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

 

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From: Brian Carlson via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 8:52 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Decaling and future

 

Seem to be having a strange reaction between my decals,  decal setting solution, and the future on the side of the tichy rebuilt boxcar. I painted it a few weeks ago, and then clearcoated it with future a week ago, and I’m now decaling using speedwitch decals. I’m getting areas of discoloration that don’t look like normal air trapped under a decal. It’s like a reaction between the setting solution and future. You can even see a little discoloration between the Herald and data that is not decaled. It’s not happening with every decals. I don’t think I’ve ever seen this before. Has anyone ever experienced this?

Paint was Vallejo, Future is probably 5-10 years old.

My thought is to shoot the other side with gloss again before decaling.

Heavy weathering is in the future (no pun intended) I fear.



Brian J. Carlson




 


Re: BAR Caboose (was: Banned from Interchange)

Bruce Smith
 

Yes

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of John Mateyko <rattler21@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 12:18 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] BAR Caboose (was: Banned from Interchange)
 

is this converted from a troop sleeper?  john Mateyko


Re: BAR Caboose (was: Banned from Interchange)

John Mateyko
 


is this converted from a troop sleeper?  john Mateyko


Re: Car ID just for fun

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

David Thompson wrote:

"
The tank looks like a pre-1917 GATC car (though that doesn't tell you whose car it is), and I'll suggest that the car
behind it is a C&O steel-sheathed rebuild of their 1920s auto boxes (the narrow door is on the right)".

    Thanks David. I'm not familiar enough with the C&O car roster to question you on that but certainly ruled out Boston
& Albany as soon as noting that the 1/2 door was on the right rather than the left of the full door. The lettering on the
right side also troubles me as the first line looks like it might be two words and rather than an ampersand in the middle
it looks instead like the word "and" written out on a downward slope to the right. Doesw anyone else see this?

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Was there ever a clinic on Delano-based paint and weathering?

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

All I can tell you,Rob, is that all of those slides were taken of the New Haven main line west of New Haven. Wish 
they were sharp enough to be bown up well.

My best, Don Valentine

PS: How's your course on Red China coming along?


Decaling and future

Brian Carlson
 

Seem to be having a strange reaction between my decals, decal setting solution, and the future on the side of the tichy rebuilt boxcar. I painted it a few weeks ago, and then clearcoated it with future a week ago, and I’m now decaling using speedwitch decals. I’m getting areas of discoloration that don’t look like normal air trapped under a decal. It’s like a reaction between the setting solution and future. You can even see a little discoloration between the Herald and data that is not decaled. It’s not happening with every decals. I don’t think I’ve ever seen this before. Has anyone ever experienced this?

Paint was Vallejo, Future is probably 5-10 years old.

My thought is to shoot the other side with gloss again before decaling.

Heavy weathering is in the future (no pun intended) I fear.



Brian J. Carlson


Early 20th Century Freight Cars Photograph

Jim Gates
 

A photo with a lot of early freight cars:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll21/id/9552

Enlarges enough to read many of the numbers.

Jim Gates

4521 - 4540 of 183577