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Re: Suggestions? - Livestock Cars & Operations Books

Steve SANDIFER
 

I have all five. The Ellington book was great for 20+ years. I think you will find everything in it is in my book. Hundman’s book has lots of photos and drawings from a variety of railroads. I think mine is the only one with an operations emphasis.

 

The  Burlington Bulletin #25 is 135 pages dedicated to stock cars and livestock traffic on the CB&Q, FW&D, and C&S. It is excellent, a must have for Burlington modelers.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Suggestions? - Livestock Cars & Operations Books

 

Suggestions? - Livestock Cars & Operations Books

I'm looking for books on livestock cars and operations. So far, my very short list includes:

  • Live Stock Operations: History, Equipment, Facilities & Modeling by J. Stephen Sandifer
  • Stock Car Cyclopedia Vol. 1 by Robert L. Hundman
  • Stock Cars of the Santa Fe Railway by Frank M Ellington, John Berry & Loren Martens
  • Train Shed Cyclopedia #3 Box, Stock & Refrigerator cars from the 1931 Car Builders' Cyclopedia
  • Train Shed Cyclopedia No. 17: Box, Stock and Flat Cars from the 1943 Car Builders' Cyclopedia

Does anyone have additional suggestions?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Car ID just for fun

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I don’t think that there are kits for the C&O cars.  They were rebuilds of double sheathed cars from the mid 1920’s that were done in 1941 and 42 to add steel sides and door and a half.

 

From Carl Shaver’s books:

 

C&O 12000-12168 were done in 1941 from C&O series 82000-82999 which had been built in 1924-25 by Illinois Car & Mfg Co

C&O 13558-13828 were done in 1942 from C&O series 83000-83999 which had been built in 1924 by Pullman (as Hocking Valley 34000-34999.)

 

There is a Howard Ameling photo of 12020 in the second volume of Shaver’s book.

 

Steve Hile

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Car ID just for fun

 

Always good to hear from you Ben, you give it straight ;  ))

But, I don’t want to be one of those that uses “There’s only an ‘inferior’ model available so therefore I can’t model whatever?”. There’s also the late Stan Rydarowicz’s rule of diminishing returns. Compromise is the order here. I will be using the MDC car, just need to know which roads had cars ‘close’.

As for the C&O rebuilt box car, is there a model available of that?

Clark Propst

 

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Re: Suggestions? - Livestock Cars & Operations Books

ed_mines
 

you can buy the Hundman book from bookfinders for about $14. I have the book; it's worth $14.

Ed Mines


Re: Photo: Intercolonial Railway Flat Car 15377 (Undated)

Robert kirkham
 

I’m only guessing, but think Ledgerwood car - the winch portion.

Rob

On Nov 15, 2020, at 12:48 PM, Ralph W. Brown <rbrown51@...> wrote:

Hi Bob,

An interesting car and an interesting railway.  Looks like the photo was taken with a few years of 1901. 

Anyone have any thoughts as the location and the structure behind the car?

Pax,


Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

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Sent: Sunday November 15 2020 2:45:48PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Intercolonial Railway Flat Car 15377 (Undated)

Photo: Intercolonial Railway Flat Car 15377 (Undated)
A photo from the National Archives of Canada:
This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.
Sort of an odd duck. Undated but probably no later than 1918.
Intercolonial Railway:
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: partial view of a HERCULES POWDER tank car

Bruce Smith
 

This decal set is for a type III/103 8K gallon general purpose tank car. The three prototype shots show two insulated and pressurized cars in the 10-11K range and one "chemical" tank car with a specialized bonnet. That's an interesting variety of cars. Any idea what they used them to haul?

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Photo: Intercolonial Railway Flat Car 15377 (Undated)

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Bob,

An interesting car and an interesting railway.  Looks like the photo was taken with a few years of 1901. 

Anyone have any thoughts as the location and the structure behind the car?

Pax,


Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

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Sent: Sunday November 15 2020 2:45:48PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Intercolonial Railway Flat Car 15377 (Undated)

Photo: Intercolonial Railway Flat Car 15377 (Undated)

A photo from the National Archives of Canada:

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/CollectionSearch/Pages/record.aspx?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=4942978

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Sort of an odd duck. Undated but probably no later than 1918.

Intercolonial Railway:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercolonial_Railway

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: partial view of a HERCULES POWDER tank car

Jerry Michels
 

Very nice decal set.  I take it not in HO? Jerry Michels


Re: Group of automobile boxcars May 31, 1949

Lee Singletary
 

Also be aware that in Pensacola that Frisco interchanged cars with the L&N for the Port of Pensacola.  Could be cars headed for the docks.

Lee


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Group of automobile boxcars May 31, 1949

Charlie,
Being a Pensacola native, I believe that is the old Newport Industries plant. They made some type of products using tree stumps. They were adjacent to the Frisco yard and actually had an 0-4-0 fireless made by Heisler for interplant switching.

Lee 



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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Group of automobile boxcars May 31, 1949

While I was sorting photos for the reweigh project I can across this small shot (2 3/4” by 4 1/2”) Art Johnson taken at Pensacola, Florida.  Behind the Frisco VO-660 is from left to right a PRR, ATSF, Soo Line, T&NO, MP and CoG 50 boxcars.  Anyone know of the industry in the background and why the wide assortment of road names?

Charlie Duckworth 




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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Group of automobile boxcars May 31, 1949

Lee Singletary
 

Charlie,
Being a Pensacola native, I believe that is the old Newport Industries plant. They made some type of products using tree stumps. They were adjacent to the Frisco yard and actually had an 0-4-0 fireless made by Heisler for interplant switching.

Lee 



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To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Nov 15, 2020 1:46 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Group of automobile boxcars May 31, 1949

While I was sorting photos for the reweigh project I can across this small shot (2 3/4” by 4 1/2”) Art Johnson taken at Pensacola, Florida.  Behind the Frisco VO-660 is from left to right a PRR, ATSF, Soo Line, T&NO, MP and CoG 50 boxcars.  Anyone know of the industry in the background and why the wide assortment of road names?

Charlie Duckworth 




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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Chicagoland 2019 Minikit

gtws00
 

That’s a really great looking build. Well done! Nice to see another one all built and weathered up.
Thanks for sharing
George Toman


Group of automobile boxcars May 31, 1949

Charlie Duckworth
 

While I was sorting photos for the reweigh project I can across this small shot (2 3/4” by 4 1/2”) Art Johnson taken at Pensacola, Florida.  Behind the Frisco VO-660 is from left to right a PRR, ATSF, Soo Line, T&NO, MP and CoG 50 boxcars.  Anyone know of the industry in the background and why the wide assortment of road names?

Charlie Duckworth 




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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Photo: Intercolonial Railway Flat Car 15377 (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Intercolonial Railway Flat Car 15377 (Undated)

A photo from the National Archives of Canada:

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/CollectionSearch/Pages/record.aspx?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=4942978

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Sort of an odd duck. Undated but probably no later than 1918.

Intercolonial Railway:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercolonial_Railway

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Chicagoland 2019 Minikit

Clark Propst
 

You went the extra mile on this one Bob. Weathering is superb.

Clark Propst

 

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Photo: C.P. Flat Car 30257 With Two Waterous Fire Pumpers (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: C.P. Flat Car 30257 With Two Waterous Fire Pumpers (Undated)

A photo from the National Archives of Canada:

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/CollectionSearch/Pages/record.aspx?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=3284885

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Equipment is from the Waterous Company, which is still in business.

https://www.waterousco.com/

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Grand Trunk Flat Car 60303 Steam Road Roller & Fire Pumper (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Grand Trunk Flat Car 60303 Steam Road Roller & Fire Pumper (Undated)

A photo from the National Archives of Canada:

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/CollectionSearch/Pages/record.aspx?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=3284906

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Equipment is from the Waterous Company, which is still in business.

https://www.waterousco.com/

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Suggestions? - Livestock Cars & Operations Books

Bob Chaparro
 

Suggestions? - Livestock Cars & Operations Books

I'm looking for books on livestock cars and operations. So far, my very short list includes:

  • Live Stock Operations: History, Equipment, Facilities & Modeling by J. Stephen Sandifer
  • Stock Car Cyclopedia Vol. 1 by Robert L. Hundman
  • Stock Cars of the Santa Fe Railway by Frank M Ellington, John Berry & Loren Martens
  • Train Shed Cyclopedia #3 Box, Stock & Refrigerator cars from the 1931 Car Builders' Cyclopedia
  • Train Shed Cyclopedia No. 17: Box, Stock and Flat Cars from the 1943 Car Builders' Cyclopedia

Does anyone have additional suggestions?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: partial view of a HERCULES POWDER tank car

Norm Buckhart
 

On Nov 15, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Tom Madden via groups.io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:

Here's a Hercules acid tank I photographed on the CNJ at Lake Junction, NJ in November 1961. UTLX 14505. Great lettering scheme.

Tom Madden <Tom0912.jpg>


Re: partial view of a HERCULES POWDER tank car

Tom Madden
 

Here's a Hercules acid tank I photographed on the CNJ at Lake Junction, NJ in November 1961. UTLX 14505. Great lettering scheme.

Tom Madden


Decals for scale locations and light weights just need the B&O

Charlie Duckworth
 

I've got all the major roads on the spreadsheet and see that the B&O was missing. If someone can furnish the top 5 or 6 scales for the B&O I’ll add these and start scanning photos for Hubert’s reference.

I know the Mopac’s light weight and month and year were 3 inches tall - were there any exceptions (taller lettering) to this?

Charlie

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Charlie Duckworth
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Ann Arbor Hutchins End (was FW&D 7231 Accurail kitbash)

Eric Hansmann
 

Those are cool looking parts, Rob!

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert kirkham
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 12:27 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Ann Arbor Hutchins End (was FW&D 7231 Accurail kitbash)

 

Hi Craig,

 

Attaching a couple of photos of the first version of the Hutchin ends for the Accurail kitbash.  Here are the issues I see: 

- printed flat, the overall surface is good until one looks at the edges.  They have diagonal striations so would need filling and Archer rivets used to correct the surfaces.

- As you can see, the parts have a flange in back to help locate the sides.  While it fits nicely into the car bottom, up top its a little tight.  So it may be a bit too wide, and so would need to be thinned down by the modeller (or I will edit the drawing once I have it verified.). 

- The gussets at the bottom look to extend downward a little far, so would need to be sanded shorter once installed.  

-  I’m not sure if the ledge for the floor to mount into is the correct depth.  

But, those are all elements I can fix.  So far, pretty pleased with this option.

 

Rob

 

On Nov 14, 2020, at 6:00 PM, Craig Wilson <agecompanyphotog@...> wrote:

 

Looking forward to seeing this one.  Did you get the Shapeways parts for the complete ends yet?  If so, what is your opinion of them?

Craig Wilson

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