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Re: Suggestions? - Livestock Cars & Operations Books

Steve SANDIFER
 

No idea about the Society website, but I have some here and can sell one to you $55, postpaid. PayPal accepted. They are also available from Ron’s books, McMillan, and Amazon.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 5:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Suggestions? - Livestock Cars & Operations Books

 

         Last two times I went to the Santa Fe Society webpage to buy your book, Stephen, I got the message "cannot complete your request at this time." Any suggestions?

Tony Thompson

 

 

 


Re: Car ID just for fun

O Fenton Wells
 

Well done Bill, great looking models of a car that you couldn't buy
Fenton

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 5:24 PM Bill McClure <virginianbill@...> wrote:
I think I showed these once before, but maybe on the Resin list. I spent quite a few hours crawling on and under the 12k and 13k series when in MOW service as part of a project to build the 12k series. These models are cast resin from my masters, representing the 82k series and later. I have yet to do the 12k in-service version, but maybe now is a good time to start.

Bill



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D&H 36' Box Cars

anthony wagner
 

Hey guys, or girls, anyone have photos of D&H 36' box cars? Post war is preferred but any showing the various end upgrades will do nicely. Looking to do a mild upgrade of a pair of Accurail cars and while I have a couple of photos more would help. I'm modeling 1949 and the D&H still had a couple thousand of these cars in service then. Thanks Tony Wagner


Re: Car ID just for fun

Jared Harper
 

Nice models.  They need some weathering tho.

Jared Harper


Re: Suggestions? - Livestock Cars & Operations Books

Tony Thompson
 

         Last two times I went to the Santa Fe Society webpage to buy your book, Stephen, I got the message "cannot complete your request at this time." Any suggestions?

Tony Thompson




Re: Car ID just for fun

gary laakso
 

Really good looking models!  What types of ends do they have?

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill McClure
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 2:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Car ID just for fun

 

I think I showed these once before, but maybe on the Resin list. I spent quite a few hours crawling on and under the 12k and 13k series when in MOW service as part of a project to build the 12k series. These models are cast resin from my masters, representing the 82k series and later. I have yet to do the 12k in-service version, but maybe now is a good time to start.

 

Bill


Re: Car ID just for fun

Benjamin Hom
 

Clark Propst wrote:
"But, I don’t want to be one of those that uses “There’s only an ‘inferior’ model available so therefore I can’t model whatever?”. There’s also the late Stan Rydarowicz’s rule of diminishing returns. Compromise is the order here. I will be using the MDC car, just need to know which roads had cars ‘close’."

Go back and read my last post - NYC (links and photo provided previously) and DL&W.  Also IC.  Do something about that side sill and those too-shallow hoppers.

Frankly, you're better off using the Ulrich offset triple, which is actually an excellent model of a B&LE 90-ton car.  [It differs from the other cars by having more side posts (visible in the offset).] 


Ben Hom


Re: Suggestions? - Livestock Cars & Operations Books

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Bob,

How about Albin Burrows article "36-Foot Harriman Standard Stock Cars" from MODEL RAILROADING for January 1989? 

There were also several similar articles in MODEL RAILROADING and RAILMODEL JOURNAL on Fowler and Mather stock cars. If interested, I can possibly supply the sources.

TRAIN SHED CYCLOPEDIA 36 had stock cars from the 1919 CBC.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 2:35 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Suggestions? - Livestock Cars & Operations Books

I'm looking for books on livestock cars and operations. So far, my very short list includes:

  • Live Stock Operations: History, Equipment, Facilities & Modeling by J. Stephen Sandifer
  • Stock Car Cyclopedia Vol. 1 by Robert L. Hundman
  • Stock Cars of the Santa Fe Railway by Frank M Ellington, John Berry & Loren Martens
  • Train Shed Cyclopedia #3 Box, Stock & Refrigerator cars from the 1931 Car Builders' Cyclopedia
  • Train Shed Cyclopedia No. 17: Box, Stock and Flat Cars from the 1943 Car Builders' Cyclopedia

Does anyone have additional suggestions?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Car ID just for fun

Bill McClure
 

I think I showed these once before, but maybe on the Resin list. I spent quite a few hours crawling on and under the 12k and 13k series when in MOW service as part of a project to build the 12k series. These models are cast resin from my masters, representing the 82k series and later. I have yet to do the 12k in-service version, but maybe now is a good time to start.

Bill


Re: Decals for scale locations and light weights just need the B&O

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Charlie,

The following list was compiled when we had this discussion a number of years ago on the old group, which IIRC was orchestrated by Richard Hendrickson. You will need to consult B&O fans for the top picks. Why I recorded this list is beyond me at this point, but it is scribbled into my ORER. I think I was most interested in those roads that connected with the WP. I see that I have a few more odd roads. It might take some time tomorrow, but I can supply them all if you wish.

BA--Brooke Ave Yd, Rochester NY
BW-Brunswich, MD
CE-Chillicothe, OH
CU-Cumberland, MD
DU-Dubois, PA
ES-East Salamanca, NY
GA-Garrett, IN
GW-Glenwood Yard, Pittsburgh
IV-Ivorydale, OH
KY-Keyser, WV
LF-LaFayette Car Works
LN-BR&P Shops, Lincoln Park, NY
LP-Locust Point, MD
MC-Mount Clare, MD
MD-Moofield, Yard, Indianapolis
NE-Newark, OH
PV-Painesville, OH
WA-Washington, OH
WI-Willard, OH
HAG-Hagerstown, MD
BY-Barr Yard, Chicago
CHI-Chicago
CV-Connesville, MD
GRF-Grafton, (OH?)

Are the old messages archived somewhere? This was quite a long thread.

I just noticed that I have two for the GN:

STC-St. Cloud, MN
SUP-Superior, (MN?)

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 2:26 PM Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:
I've got all the major roads on the spreadsheet and see that the B&O was missing.  If someone can furnish the top 5 or 6 scales for the B&O I’ll add these and start scanning photos for Hubert’s reference.

I know the Mopac’s light weight and month and year were 3 inches tall - were there any exceptions (taller lettering) to this?

Charlie

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Re: Decals for scale locations and light weights just need the B&O

Steve SANDIFER
 

B&O from my photos:
MC (many)
NE
EW
WA (many)
DU (several)
BW (many)
GW (several)
ALEX
LP
KV

J. Stephen Sandifer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Decals for scale locations and light weights just need the B&O

I've got all the major roads on the spreadsheet and see that the B&O was missing. If someone can furnish the top 5 or 6 scales for the B&O I’ll add these and start scanning photos for Hubert’s reference.

I know the Mopac’s light weight and month and year were 3 inches tall - were there any exceptions (taller lettering) to this?

Charlie

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Charlie Duckworth
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Suggestions? - Livestock Cars & Operations Books

Steve SANDIFER
 

I have all five. The Ellington book was great for 20+ years. I think you will find everything in it is in my book. Hundman’s book has lots of photos and drawings from a variety of railroads. I think mine is the only one with an operations emphasis.

 

The  Burlington Bulletin #25 is 135 pages dedicated to stock cars and livestock traffic on the CB&Q, FW&D, and C&S. It is excellent, a must have for Burlington modelers.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 1:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Suggestions? - Livestock Cars & Operations Books

 

Suggestions? - Livestock Cars & Operations Books

I'm looking for books on livestock cars and operations. So far, my very short list includes:

  • Live Stock Operations: History, Equipment, Facilities & Modeling by J. Stephen Sandifer
  • Stock Car Cyclopedia Vol. 1 by Robert L. Hundman
  • Stock Cars of the Santa Fe Railway by Frank M Ellington, John Berry & Loren Martens
  • Train Shed Cyclopedia #3 Box, Stock & Refrigerator cars from the 1931 Car Builders' Cyclopedia
  • Train Shed Cyclopedia No. 17: Box, Stock and Flat Cars from the 1943 Car Builders' Cyclopedia

Does anyone have additional suggestions?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Car ID just for fun

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I don’t think that there are kits for the C&O cars.  They were rebuilds of double sheathed cars from the mid 1920’s that were done in 1941 and 42 to add steel sides and door and a half.

 

From Carl Shaver’s books:

 

C&O 12000-12168 were done in 1941 from C&O series 82000-82999 which had been built in 1924-25 by Illinois Car & Mfg Co

C&O 13558-13828 were done in 1942 from C&O series 83000-83999 which had been built in 1924 by Pullman (as Hocking Valley 34000-34999.)

 

There is a Howard Ameling photo of 12020 in the second volume of Shaver’s book.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 6:14 PM
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Always good to hear from you Ben, you give it straight ;  ))

But, I don’t want to be one of those that uses “There’s only an ‘inferior’ model available so therefore I can’t model whatever?”. There’s also the late Stan Rydarowicz’s rule of diminishing returns. Compromise is the order here. I will be using the MDC car, just need to know which roads had cars ‘close’.

As for the C&O rebuilt box car, is there a model available of that?

Clark Propst

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Suggestions? - Livestock Cars & Operations Books

ed_mines
 

you can buy the Hundman book from bookfinders for about $14. I have the book; it's worth $14.

Ed Mines


Re: Photo: Intercolonial Railway Flat Car 15377 (Undated)

Robert kirkham
 

I’m only guessing, but think Ledgerwood car - the winch portion.

Rob

On Nov 15, 2020, at 12:48 PM, Ralph W. Brown <rbrown51@...> wrote:

Hi Bob,

An interesting car and an interesting railway.  Looks like the photo was taken with a few years of 1901. 

Anyone have any thoughts as the location and the structure behind the car?

Pax,


Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

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From: "Bob Chaparro via groups.io"
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Sent: Sunday November 15 2020 2:45:48PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Intercolonial Railway Flat Car 15377 (Undated)

Photo: Intercolonial Railway Flat Car 15377 (Undated)
A photo from the National Archives of Canada:
This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.
Sort of an odd duck. Undated but probably no later than 1918.
Intercolonial Railway:
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: partial view of a HERCULES POWDER tank car

Bruce Smith
 

This decal set is for a type III/103 8K gallon general purpose tank car. The three prototype shots show two insulated and pressurized cars in the 10-11K range and one "chemical" tank car with a specialized bonnet. That's an interesting variety of cars. Any idea what they used them to haul?

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Photo: Intercolonial Railway Flat Car 15377 (Undated)

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Bob,

An interesting car and an interesting railway.  Looks like the photo was taken with a few years of 1901. 

Anyone have any thoughts as the location and the structure behind the car?

Pax,


Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

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From: "Bob Chaparro via groups.io"
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Sent: Sunday November 15 2020 2:45:48PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Intercolonial Railway Flat Car 15377 (Undated)

Photo: Intercolonial Railway Flat Car 15377 (Undated)

A photo from the National Archives of Canada:

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/CollectionSearch/Pages/record.aspx?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=4942978

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Sort of an odd duck. Undated but probably no later than 1918.

Intercolonial Railway:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercolonial_Railway

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: partial view of a HERCULES POWDER tank car

Jerry Michels
 

Very nice decal set.  I take it not in HO? Jerry Michels


Re: Group of automobile boxcars May 31, 1949

Lee Singletary
 

Also be aware that in Pensacola that Frisco interchanged cars with the L&N for the Port of Pensacola.  Could be cars headed for the docks.

Lee


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Charlie,
Being a Pensacola native, I believe that is the old Newport Industries plant. They made some type of products using tree stumps. They were adjacent to the Frisco yard and actually had an 0-4-0 fireless made by Heisler for interplant switching.

Lee 



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Sent: Sun, Nov 15, 2020 1:46 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Group of automobile boxcars May 31, 1949

While I was sorting photos for the reweigh project I can across this small shot (2 3/4” by 4 1/2”) Art Johnson taken at Pensacola, Florida.  Behind the Frisco VO-660 is from left to right a PRR, ATSF, Soo Line, T&NO, MP and CoG 50 boxcars.  Anyone know of the industry in the background and why the wide assortment of road names?

Charlie Duckworth 




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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Group of automobile boxcars May 31, 1949

Lee Singletary
 

Charlie,
Being a Pensacola native, I believe that is the old Newport Industries plant. They made some type of products using tree stumps. They were adjacent to the Frisco yard and actually had an 0-4-0 fireless made by Heisler for interplant switching.

Lee 



-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Nov 15, 2020 1:46 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Group of automobile boxcars May 31, 1949

While I was sorting photos for the reweigh project I can across this small shot (2 3/4” by 4 1/2”) Art Johnson taken at Pensacola, Florida.  Behind the Frisco VO-660 is from left to right a PRR, ATSF, Soo Line, T&NO, MP and CoG 50 boxcars.  Anyone know of the industry in the background and why the wide assortment of road names?

Charlie Duckworth 




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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

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