Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Pool Service into California
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Fred;
Unfortunately, not yet. I know a guy that has been working on this for 30+ years with the intention of doing a book(s), but he is overwhelmed with data.
Every RR did their own version of how they handled it, and I am personally overwhelmed with just the PRR part of this, in the moment.
In addition, the pools changed almost yearly, with new models, changed models, and the whims of the auto makers. I can attest to the numerous code changes, stencil changes, rack changes, and classes in use, from what I’ve dug up.
For your edification, you may want to look up the various auto and parts plants on-line, to see the enormous number of same in play over the years.
Elden Gatwood
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On Behalf Of Fred Swanson via groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 10:41 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Pool Service into California
Many cars serving the auto industry were in pool service. Are there listings or other information on what lines to and from where, when?
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Drop end gondola ratchet hand brakes
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Seth;
Have you looked into the Tangent ratchet hand brake models?
Elden Gatwood
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On Behalf Of Seth Lakin via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 2:00 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Drop end gondola ratchet hand brakes
Group, in modeling a gon with drop ends. The builders component sheet says that some cars had Klasing 5L-700 and the remaining cars had Universal 1995 hand brakes. Photos of of both of them show a ratchet type handbrake is there a separate detail part or a kit that has one of these modeled that the hand brake be harvested to model either the Klasing 5L-700 brake or Universal 1995 brake?
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Re: Car ID just for fun
Eric Hansmann
Bill,
Those models look great! We don’t see many MoW models.
When were these C&O 40-foot automobile cars built?
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill McClure
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 4:24 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Car ID just for fun
I think I showed these once before, but maybe on the Resin list. I spent quite a few hours crawling on and under the 12k and 13k series when in MOW service as part of a project to build the 12k series. These models are cast resin from my masters, representing the 82k series and later. I have yet to do the 12k in-service version, but maybe now is a good time to start.
Bill Bill McClure
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Re: Car ID just for fun
Bill McClure
Gary, thanks. Here is a photo of the end of one of the models and two prototype photos showing the same ends. I don't know the "proper" nomenclature, but they are "inverted". They were the limiting item until I found, IIRC, an inverted Westerfield end. I then used two to make one master with the correct inversions.. Someone asked about the roof. The master was scratched. I crawled under these cars before they were scrapped to figure out the underframe, etc., but I didn't dare climb up. The roof contour was scaled, roughly, from dimensions and photos. The ribs are styrene sanded to shape. Next model will be the steel rebuild, 12k series. Bill Bill McClure www.billmcclure.smugmug.com
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WANTED: Sunshine 22.6 CB&Q XA-7/-8 1.5 door OB box car.
Fred Jansz
WANTED: Sunshine 22.6 CB&Q XA-7/-8 1.5 door OB box car.
If you have one in your stash you know you will never build, please consider selling it to me. I'm modeling WP's Quincy Junction and Quincy RR, where there was such a car present for a long time. See picture (top: © Ted Culotta, bottom: Guy Dunscomb). Fred Jansz
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Re: partial view of a HERCULES POWDER tank car
Mark Vinski
The Protocraft link goes to an HO set
.https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=1127&Categoryid=36 Mark Vinski
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Re: Car ID just for fun
Robert kirkham
Nicely modelled - an unusual looking car - I like the step detail on the MOW version. Curious to know more about that roof design - interesting with the ?gussets? aligned with the carlines on the fascia like that.
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Rob
On Nov 15, 2020, at 2:24 PM, Bill McClure <virginianbill@...> wrote: I think I showed these once before, but maybe on the Resin list. I spent quite a few hours crawling on and under the 12k and 13k series when in MOW service as part of a project to build the 12k series. These models are cast resin from my masters, representing the 82k series and later. I have yet to do the 12k in-service version, but maybe now is a good time to start. Bill Bill McClure www.billmcclure.smugmug.com
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Re: Car ID just for fun
Nice work Bill, would you share with the C&O group? You attached hi res full pictures and I thought I was looking at G scale for a minute - - nice detail execution.
Chris Rooney
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Re: National Car Company
Rupert Gamlen
Tim
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On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, 16 November 2020 4:14 am To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] National Car Company
On 11/14/2020 4:18 PM, O Fenton Wells wrote:
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Re: D&H 36' Box Cars
Benjamin Hom
Tony Wagner asked: "Hey guys, or girls, anyone have photos of D&H 36' box cars? Post war is preferred but any showing the various end upgrades will do nicely. Looking to do a mild upgrade of a pair of Accurail cars and while I have a couple of photos more would help. I'm modeling 1949 and the D&H still had a couple thousand of these cars in service then." See John Nehrich's "Modeling D&H's 1907 Wooden Boxcars" in the December 1987 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman. Ben Hom
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Re: D&H 36' Box Cars
Dave Parker
Tony:
Not sure what you feel is a "mild" upgrade. The D&H shorties can be seen with four different ends, but none of them match either of the two Accurail options (plain wood or Murphy). Also, by 1949, most (maybe all) D&H cars would have sported Hutchins all-steel roofs rather than the Accurail's Murphy XLA. If you want to undertake some moderately serious bashing, I can send you a few pix off-group. If not, consider the three versions of the F&C resin kit for an easier go of it. IMO, the nearby DL&W is a much better match to the Accurail cars but, I must confess, I have not tracked them into the post-war era. The D&H was somewhat unique in its fondness for hanging onto and rebuilding pre-WWI cars. -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA
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Re: Suggestions? - Livestock Cars & Operations Books
Steve SANDIFER
No idea about the Society website, but I have some here and can sell one to you $55, postpaid. PayPal accepted. They are also available from Ron’s books, McMillan, and Amazon.
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 5:09 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Suggestions? - Livestock Cars & Operations Books
Last two times I went to the Santa Fe Society webpage to buy your book, Stephen, I got the message "cannot complete your request at this time." Any suggestions?
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Re: Car ID just for fun
Well done Bill, great looking models of a car that you couldn't buy Fenton
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 5:24 PM Bill McClure <virginianbill@...> wrote:
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D&H 36' Box Cars
anthony wagner
Hey guys, or girls, anyone have photos of D&H 36' box cars? Post war is preferred but any showing the various end upgrades will do nicely. Looking to do a mild upgrade of a pair of Accurail cars and while I have a couple of photos more would help. I'm modeling 1949 and the D&H still had a couple thousand of these cars in service then. Thanks Tony Wagner
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Re: Car ID just for fun
Jared Harper
Nice models. They need some weathering tho.
Jared Harper
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Re: Suggestions? - Livestock Cars & Operations Books
Tony Thompson
Last two times I went to the Santa Fe Society webpage to buy your book, Stephen, I got the message "cannot complete your request at this time." Any suggestions?
Tony Thompson
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Re: Car ID just for fun
gary laakso
Really good looking models! What types of ends do they have?
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill McClure
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 2:24 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Car ID just for fun
I think I showed these once before, but maybe on the Resin list. I spent quite a few hours crawling on and under the 12k and 13k series when in MOW service as part of a project to build the 12k series. These models are cast resin from my masters, representing the 82k series and later. I have yet to do the 12k in-service version, but maybe now is a good time to start.
Bill Bill McClure
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Re: Car ID just for fun
Benjamin Hom
Clark Propst wrote: "But, I don’t want to be one of those that uses “There’s only an ‘inferior’ model available so therefore I can’t model whatever?”. There’s also the late Stan Rydarowicz’s rule of diminishing returns. Compromise is the order here. I will be using the MDC car, just need to know which roads had cars ‘close’." Go back and read my last post - NYC (links and photo provided previously) and DL&W. Also IC. Do something about that side sill and those too-shallow hoppers. Frankly, you're better off using the Ulrich offset triple, which is actually an excellent model of a B&LE 90-ton car. [It differs from the other cars by having more side posts (visible in the offset).] Ben Hom
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Re: Suggestions? - Livestock Cars & Operations Books
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Bob, How about Albin Burrows article "36-Foot Harriman Standard Stock Cars" from MODEL RAILROADING for January 1989? There were also several similar articles in MODEL RAILROADING and RAILMODEL JOURNAL on Fowler and Mather stock cars. If interested, I can possibly supply the sources. TRAIN SHED CYCLOPEDIA 36 had stock cars from the 1919 CBC. Yours Aye, Garth Groff
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 2:35 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Car ID just for fun
Bill McClure
I think I showed these once before, but maybe on the Resin list. I spent quite a few hours crawling on and under the 12k and 13k series when in MOW service as part of a project to build the 12k series. These models are cast resin from my masters, representing the 82k series and later. I have yet to do the 12k in-service version, but maybe now is a good time to start. Bill Bill McClure www.billmcclure.smugmug.com
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