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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Pool Service into California

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Fred;

 

Unfortunately, not yet.  I know a guy that has been working on this for 30+ years with the intention of doing a book(s), but he is overwhelmed with data. 

 

Every RR did their own version of how they handled it, and I am personally overwhelmed with just the PRR part of this, in the moment.

 

In addition, the pools changed almost yearly, with new models, changed models, and the whims of the auto makers.  I can attest to the numerous code changes, stencil changes, rack changes, and classes in use, from what I’ve dug up.

 

For your edification, you may want to look up the various auto and parts plants on-line, to see the enormous number of same in play over the years.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fred Swanson via groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 10:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Pool Service into California

 

Many cars serving the auto industry were in pool service.  Are there listings or other information on what lines to and from where, when?
Fred Swanson


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Drop end gondola ratchet hand brakes

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Seth;

 

Have you looked into the Tangent ratchet hand brake models?

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Seth Lakin via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 2:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Drop end gondola ratchet hand brakes

 

Group, in modeling a gon with drop ends. The builders component sheet says that some cars had Klasing 5L-700 and the remaining cars had Universal 1995 hand brakes. Photos of of both of them show a ratchet type handbrake  

is there a separate detail part or a kit that has one of these modeled that the hand brake be harvested to model either the Klasing 5L-700 brake or Universal 1995 brake?

Thanks in advanced 
Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN


Re: Car ID just for fun

Eric Hansmann
 

Bill,

 

Those models look great! We don’t see many MoW models.

 

When were these C&O 40-foot automobile cars built?

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill McClure
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 4:24 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Car ID just for fun

 

I think I showed these once before, but maybe on the Resin list. I spent quite a few hours crawling on and under the 12k and 13k series when in MOW service as part of a project to build the 12k series. These models are cast resin from my masters, representing the 82k series and later. I have yet to do the 12k in-service version, but maybe now is a good time to start.

 

Bill


Re: Car ID just for fun

Bill McClure
 

Gary, thanks.

Here is a photo of the end of one of the models and two prototype photos showing the same ends. I don't know the "proper" nomenclature, but they are "inverted". They were the limiting item until I found, IIRC, an inverted Westerfield end. I then used two to make one master with the correct inversions..

Someone asked about the roof. The master was scratched. I crawled under these cars before they were scrapped to figure out the underframe, etc., but I didn't dare climb up. The roof contour was scaled, roughly, from dimensions and photos. The ribs are styrene sanded to shape.

Next model will be the steel rebuild, 12k series. 

Bill



WANTED: Sunshine 22.6 CB&Q XA-7/-8 1.5 door OB box car.

Fred Jansz
 

WANTED: Sunshine 22.6 CB&Q XA-7/-8 1.5 door OB box car.

If you have one in your stash you know you will never build, please consider selling it to me.

I'm modeling WP's Quincy Junction and Quincy RR, where there was such a car present for a long time.
See picture (top: © Ted Culotta, bottom: Guy Dunscomb).

Fred Jansz


Re: partial view of a HERCULES POWDER tank car

Mark Vinski
 

The Protocraft link goes to an HO set
.https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=1127&Categoryid=36

Mark Vinski


Re: Car ID just for fun

Robert kirkham
 

Nicely modelled - an unusual looking car - I like the step detail on the MOW version.  Curious to know more about that roof design - interesting with the ?gussets? aligned with the carlines on the fascia like that.

Rob  

On Nov 15, 2020, at 2:24 PM, Bill McClure <virginianbill@...> wrote:

I think I showed these once before, but maybe on the Resin list. I spent quite a few hours crawling on and under the 12k and 13k series when in MOW service as part of a project to build the 12k series. These models are cast resin from my masters, representing the 82k series and later. I have yet to do the 12k in-service version, but maybe now is a good time to start.

Bill
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Re: Car ID just for fun

bigfourroad
 

Nice work Bill, would you share with the C&O group?  You attached hi res full pictures and I thought I was looking at G scale for a minute - - nice detail execution.
Chris Rooney


Re: National Car Company

Rupert Gamlen
 

Tim

Thanks for the photos and to the others who replied with information. Looking through a CB&Q-published 1969 Equipment List, I found that it lists
MNX 1700-243 and LNX 2444-2464 as being leased to Burlington Refrigerator Express and no others so perhaps I have the answer.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, 16 November 2020 4:14 am
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] National Car Company

 

On 11/14/2020 4:18 PM, O Fenton Wells wrote:

In the steam and transition era I believe the NX cars were owned by the FGEX consortium and was designed to be the meat hauler of the group.  In 1951 a large percentage of their cars were classed as RBM or RSM with meat rails.

Fenton

 

On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 4:12 PM Rupert Gamlen <gamlenz@...> wrote:

I am trying to identify all the cars in the National Car Company which were owned by the CB&Q / BRE. So far I have MNX 1700-2364, starting in 1949, with 2444-2464 being changed to LLNX in 1967. LLNX was allocated to WFE at that time so I don’t know if they were sold, leased or what.

So, did the BRE own any other National cars?

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: D&H 36' Box Cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Tony Wagner asked:
"Hey guys, or girls, anyone have photos of D&H 36' box cars? Post war is preferred but any showing the various end upgrades will do nicely. Looking to do a mild upgrade of a pair of Accurail cars and while I have a couple of photos more would help. I'm modeling 1949 and the D&H still had a couple thousand of these cars in service then."

See John Nehrich's "Modeling D&H's 1907 Wooden Boxcars" in the December 1987 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman.


Ben Hom


Re: D&H 36' Box Cars

Dave Parker
 

Tony:

Not sure what you feel is a "mild" upgrade.  The D&H shorties can be seen with four different ends, but none of them match either of the two Accurail options (plain wood or Murphy).  Also, by 1949, most (maybe all) D&H cars would have sported Hutchins all-steel roofs rather than the Accurail's Murphy XLA.

If you want to undertake some moderately serious bashing, I can send you a few pix off-group.  If not, consider the three versions of the F&C resin kit for an easier go of it.  IMO, the nearby DL&W is a much better match to the Accurail cars but, I must confess, I have not tracked them into the post-war era.  The D&H was somewhat unique in its fondness for hanging onto and rebuilding pre-WWI cars.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Suggestions? - Livestock Cars & Operations Books

Steve SANDIFER
 

No idea about the Society website, but I have some here and can sell one to you $55, postpaid. PayPal accepted. They are also available from Ron’s books, McMillan, and Amazon.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 5:09 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Suggestions? - Livestock Cars & Operations Books

 

         Last two times I went to the Santa Fe Society webpage to buy your book, Stephen, I got the message "cannot complete your request at this time." Any suggestions?

Tony Thompson

 

 

 


Re: Car ID just for fun

O Fenton Wells
 

Well done Bill, great looking models of a car that you couldn't buy
Fenton

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 5:24 PM Bill McClure <virginianbill@...> wrote:
I think I showed these once before, but maybe on the Resin list. I spent quite a few hours crawling on and under the 12k and 13k series when in MOW service as part of a project to build the 12k series. These models are cast resin from my masters, representing the 82k series and later. I have yet to do the 12k in-service version, but maybe now is a good time to start.

Bill



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D&H 36' Box Cars

anthony wagner
 

Hey guys, or girls, anyone have photos of D&H 36' box cars? Post war is preferred but any showing the various end upgrades will do nicely. Looking to do a mild upgrade of a pair of Accurail cars and while I have a couple of photos more would help. I'm modeling 1949 and the D&H still had a couple thousand of these cars in service then. Thanks Tony Wagner


Re: Car ID just for fun

Jared Harper
 

Nice models.  They need some weathering tho.

Jared Harper


Re: Suggestions? - Livestock Cars & Operations Books

Tony Thompson
 

         Last two times I went to the Santa Fe Society webpage to buy your book, Stephen, I got the message "cannot complete your request at this time." Any suggestions?

Tony Thompson




Re: Car ID just for fun

gary laakso
 

Really good looking models!  What types of ends do they have?

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill McClure
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 2:24 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Car ID just for fun

 

I think I showed these once before, but maybe on the Resin list. I spent quite a few hours crawling on and under the 12k and 13k series when in MOW service as part of a project to build the 12k series. These models are cast resin from my masters, representing the 82k series and later. I have yet to do the 12k in-service version, but maybe now is a good time to start.

 

Bill


Re: Car ID just for fun

Benjamin Hom
 

Clark Propst wrote:
"But, I don’t want to be one of those that uses “There’s only an ‘inferior’ model available so therefore I can’t model whatever?”. There’s also the late Stan Rydarowicz’s rule of diminishing returns. Compromise is the order here. I will be using the MDC car, just need to know which roads had cars ‘close’."

Go back and read my last post - NYC (links and photo provided previously) and DL&W.  Also IC.  Do something about that side sill and those too-shallow hoppers.

Frankly, you're better off using the Ulrich offset triple, which is actually an excellent model of a B&LE 90-ton car.  [It differs from the other cars by having more side posts (visible in the offset).] 


Ben Hom


Re: Suggestions? - Livestock Cars & Operations Books

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Bob,

How about Albin Burrows article "36-Foot Harriman Standard Stock Cars" from MODEL RAILROADING for January 1989? 

There were also several similar articles in MODEL RAILROADING and RAILMODEL JOURNAL on Fowler and Mather stock cars. If interested, I can possibly supply the sources.

TRAIN SHED CYCLOPEDIA 36 had stock cars from the 1919 CBC.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 2:35 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Suggestions? - Livestock Cars & Operations Books

I'm looking for books on livestock cars and operations. So far, my very short list includes:

  • Live Stock Operations: History, Equipment, Facilities & Modeling by J. Stephen Sandifer
  • Stock Car Cyclopedia Vol. 1 by Robert L. Hundman
  • Stock Cars of the Santa Fe Railway by Frank M Ellington, John Berry & Loren Martens
  • Train Shed Cyclopedia #3 Box, Stock & Refrigerator cars from the 1931 Car Builders' Cyclopedia
  • Train Shed Cyclopedia No. 17: Box, Stock and Flat Cars from the 1943 Car Builders' Cyclopedia

Does anyone have additional suggestions?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Car ID just for fun

Bill McClure
 

I think I showed these once before, but maybe on the Resin list. I spent quite a few hours crawling on and under the 12k and 13k series when in MOW service as part of a project to build the 12k series. These models are cast resin from my masters, representing the 82k series and later. I have yet to do the 12k in-service version, but maybe now is a good time to start.

Bill

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