Sad hobby news has reached my computer. Our favorite extreme modeler and Dodger fan, Bill Welch, passed away Sunday afternoon, November 15th, 2020. This was reported by his niece on his Facebook timeline. Bill's work has touched and inspired so many in our group and at RPM events across the years. A Zoom celebration of Bill's modeling life will be announced shortly.

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

On Nov 17, 2020, at 5:41 PM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:



Sad hobby news has reached my computer. Our favorite extreme modeler and Dodger fan, Bill Welch, passed away Sunday afternoon, November 15th, 2020. This was reported by his niece on his Facebook timeline. Bill's work has touched and inspired so many in our group and at RPM events across the years. A Zoom celebration of Bill's modeling life will be announced shortly.

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

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Speaking of San Juan Car Co., does anyone know if they have done anything yet with Rail Graphics, which they acquired awhile ago? They used to produce some really handy generic data decals.

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There was some discussion about a week ago as to the status of the San Juan Car Co.  I just received a Grandt Line part from them.  I guess that they are still operational  I did order the part on E Bay.

 

Bill Pardie

 

 

 

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Attached are some photos of boxcars cars in tire service. Based on the way they are stacked in the car, I would say any boxcar was suitable.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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Garth;

 

I agree that there would have been pools of cars doing this, but I have not found dedicated cars by the PRR that did this.  The dedicated cars mostly had racks, so had to be in dedicated service or the racks would get ripped out (PRR has much angry correspondence on this).  So, I think tire shipments were more a flexible pool that the RRs drew from, since those cars could be used for anything.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

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Jim,

 

Auto makers were voracious buyers of tires, and I expect there were pools between major tire makers and auto plants. They needed reliable on-time deliveries, to keep production running. It would be interesting to have others comment on this. I just spent half-an-hour searching the web for this and found nothing, which is typical of the web.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆 

 

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 11:32 PM Jim Gates via groups.io <jim.gates=ymail.com@groups.io> wrote:

I believe tires used to come individually wrapped. And they are certainly not as prone to damage as most car parts. I would think that any reasonably clean boxcar would be suitable for tires.

Jim Gates

On Monday, November 16, 2020, 02:49:43 PM CST, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:

 

 

Elden,

 

I second your comments on the complexity of pools. And when it comes to sub-assemblies, one also should consider that some parts were made by contractors. For instance, American Metal Products supplied seat frames and springs to a number of manufacturers. We usually think only of the Big Three manufacturers today, but Willys/Kaiser/Henry J/Frazier/Allstate, Hudson, Packard, Studebaker, Nash and others were still in the game into the 1950s, and these smaller marques likely used many more sourced products than Ford, GM or Chrysler. And remember, every car made in the US came with five tires, and AFAIK, none of auto manufacturers were making their own tires (though Ford had tried). There must also have been pools from the tire manufacturers to auto assembly plants.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff

 

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 11:03 AM Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Fred;

 

Unfortunately, not yet.  I know a guy that has been working on this for 30+ years with the intention of doing a book(s), but he is overwhelmed with data. 

 

Every RR did their own version of how they handled it, and I am personally overwhelmed with just the PRR part of this, in the moment.

 

In addition, the pools changed almost yearly, with new models, changed models, and the whims of the auto makers.  I can attest to the numerous code changes, stencil changes, rack changes, and classes in use, from what I’ve dug up.

 

For your edification, you may want to look up the various auto and parts plants on-line, to see the enormous number of same in play over the years.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

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Many cars serving the auto industry were in pool service.  Are there listings or other information on what lines to and from where, when?
Fred Swanson

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• unloading tires 1958 Spokane WA.JPG
• unloading tires Marshalltown IA.jpg

Tim,

Then does that mean that the Western Pacific really didn't order 100 PS-1 double-door boxcars with Evans Auto Loaders in 1955, their 19301-19400? Or again in 1955, another 150 numbered 19401-19450? And yet another 100 in 1957 numbered 19601-19700 (with roller bearings, though hidden behind flip-up journal box covers)?

Or am I misunderstanding your intent in " . . . double doors could be useful for stick lumber, plywood, or furniture - but not 'automobile' cars at this late date [1949]."?

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 5:25 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

as for the assortment of road names, MP SP CG were all in nearby states not far from home. the double doors
could be useful for stick lumber, plywood, or furniture - but not 'automobile' cars at this late date




On 11/15/2020 2:46 PM, Charlie Duckworth wrote:

While I was sorting photos for the reweigh project I can across this small shot (2 3/4” by 4 1/2”) Art Johnson taken at Pensacola, Florida.  Behind the Frisco VO-660 is from left to right a PRR, ATSF, Soo Line, T&NO, MP and CoG 50 boxcars.  Anyone know of the industry in the background and why the wide assortment of road names?

Charlie Duckworth 

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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

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• AutocarsFlorida002.jpg

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

NYC Postwar boxcar with route cards.  Tony is correct.  It does’t take much effort to add route cards, but it adds to the prototype look of the car.  I went back to check and saw I missed the route cards on the last few cars I built, ever since I stopped using decals for the route cards.  They have now been added.

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

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On Nov 17, 2020, at 1:28 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Claus Schlundwrote:

This box car is having a problem with its door - I dare someone to model that!

   Only on the RIP track. It would never be allowed out on the road (unless it had JUST happened en route).

Tony Thompson

tony@...