Re: automobile boxcars
Guy Wilber
Bill wrote: “One of the comments says, The horizontal white stripe on the door indicates that the car has automobile-loading racks". Was this "standard" across all railroads, or just for certain roads? I ask, because not all of the cars shown have the stripe (for instance SP 64210).” The 3” wide white stripe was the original standard marking for cars equipped with auto loading devices as adopted by the ARA in 1933. The stripe was to be applied to the right door, though (early on) many roads decorated both doors. The right door on SP 64210 is obscured by the automobile, but the stripe is (more than likely) there. Guy Wilber Reno, Nevada
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Re: automobile boxcars
Bill Parks
One of the comments says "The horizontal white stripe on the door indicates that the car has automobile-loading racks". Was this "standard" across all railroads, or just for certain roads? I ask, because not all of the cars shown have the stripe (for instance SP 64210).
-- Bill Parks Cumming, GA Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida
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Re: Slide and Negative Scanners
John Barry
Charlie, I have the Epson V800 and have had good success with prints, negatives, slides, documents and maps. With the slide frame I was able to quickly scan a loaned collection of about 50 slides in a couple evenings. The 1944 Santa Fe map of the United States is a combination of five scans stitched together. I wrote a post about it back in July. The Fe-U and the 1944 Railroad Map. I also scanned the Fe-U print in that post on my V800 and straightened it with Photoshop Elements. You can download a jpg of the map through a link in that blog post. It also works well scanning documents for later conversion to PDF. I usually scan to TIFF, then convert as that gives me greater flexibility for character recognition of multiple column pages. I'm very happy with the V800 as an all around photo scanner. John John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696
On Thursday, November 19, 2020, 03:20:29 PM EST, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
Charlie, I use an "Epson Perfection V8000 Photo" scanner, a semi-pro machine that does a pretty good job scanning slides and negatives, as well as general copying. The software is a bit clunky, but I'm used to it now. Everything gets washed through Photoshop anyway. I paid somewhere between $400-500 for the Epson. If you've looked at photos I've shared here, you are seeing stuff done on that machine. This model has probably been succeeded by a newer version with a higher number, but the Epson machines in this range are pretty good, and good values too. My scanner came with several frames, one for 35 mm negatives, one for 35 mm slides, and some others for which I have yet to find a use. When I have an odd-sized negative, I put it right on the glass. A 6" plastic ruler along the bottom edge keeps the negative square and moves it away from a void space along the edge of the glass. After I have a preview shot on my screen, I select the area of the negative I actually want, eliminating the ruler. One more thing to consider. Besides Photoshop I use the powerful but inexpensive Graphic Convertor program from Lemke Software. It does some stuff that is really hard to do with Photoshop, like adding text to an image. As its name implies, it can also convert from or to a number of formats, many more than Photoshop can handle. I save everything in TIFF (which unlike JPEG is stable), except for what I convert back to JPEG for attaching to emails. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆 On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 1:53 PM Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:
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automobile boxcars
mel perry
http://industrialscenery.blogspot.com/2016/03/carrying-automobiles-in-boxcars.html reposted from s-scale@groups.io courtesy of rich gajnak ;-) mel perry
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Re: Ann Arbor Hutchins End (was FW&D 7231 Accurail kitbash)
Robert kirkham
Cool! It says something about just how splintered the industry was amongst a bunch of manufacturers constantly developing new designs and new capabilities. I’m reminded of the conversation a few years ago about the different shapes of the ordinary dreadnought end.
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Rob
On Nov 19, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote: That photo of the Hutchins end with two pressings per panel is a new one on me... learn something new every day. Hutchins must have bought a bigger press before they were forced to end production. Dennis Storzek
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Re: More boring well car stuff
Tony Thompson
Thank you, Pete, glad to know where these are. It's a complete set, with not only the original Sheet 12, but the revision 12A that I mentioned. Tony Thompson
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Re: Slide and Negative Scanners
Clark Propst
I bought a Magnasonic unit off Amazon. It’s a little thing, doesn’t take up much space. There’s a learning curve to editing, especially color. Other than that it’s ok. Clark Propst
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] More boring well car stuff pt 4, was: Photo: Reading Well Hole Flat Car 99009 (Undated)
akerboomk
Re: F37B with “no well floor” (at least that’s what I’m interpreting Elden’s comment…)
Note other railroads also had well cars with “no floor”. In the Jan 1953 ORER (table in back) I am interpreting the phrase (in “load carrying platform” – “height from top of rail” column) “open pit” to mean there is no floor:
D&H 16160 series LV 9951 series NYC 499xxx series (5 separate lines)
I don’t know enough about these cars to know if that is truly what the ORER means…
Ken
-- Ken Akerboom
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Re: Slide and Negative Scanners
Jack Burgess
Like others I too have a Epson scanner…a V600. It scans up to 1200 dpi so it can scan negs and has a holder for slides.
Jack Burgess
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 10:53 AM To: CBQ@groups.io; Ry-ops-industrialSIG@groups.io; RealSTMFC@groups.io; PassengerCarList@groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Slide and Negative Scanners
All-
Does anyone have any experience with slide and negative scanners? My all-in-one copiers can do a decent job of digitizing photo prints but, even though a couple of them have slide processing capability they are somewhat clunky to use and I have many hundreds of slides and negatives to scan.
An additional wrinkle is that I have about 1000 microfilm aperture cards with CB&Q locomotive, freight and passenger car drawings on them which I would also like to scan. They are on computer keypunch-size cards 3 ¼ wide x 7 ¾ so I am hoping on getting something that can accommodate that width card or be modified to do so. Some of the scanners look like they have carriers that be duplicated in sheet plastic to make a custom holder…if the slot is 3 ¼ wide or more. As a last resort I could trim the width of the cards down to fit but I’d rather not.
I don’t want to go crazy with speed or quality and get a $5000 professional unit but I don’t want to go cheap and get the Kodak folding box gizmo or the low-end stuff that has no resolution. I’d rather get one that can connect to my computer for post processing rather than loading to a memory card. I already have VuScanX64 software which I have used to scan using my all-in-one.
If any of you have experience with scanners and can share thoughts or recommendations on brands or models to consider it would be much appreciated.
While the subject is technically off-topic it may be of interest to many in each group, please respond off-list unless moderators allow it to run as supporting the interests of the group.
Charlie Vlk Mt. Juliet, TN
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Re: More boring well car stuff
Pete Ismail
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On Nov 19, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
Elden, I have a copy in hand as I type. In the middle 1960s, SP issued a series of "Freight Car Specification Sheets" for all car types, 25 in all, and over time some of the sheets received supplements (many were one-page sheets, but many were longer). The heavy-duty flat cars wee on sheet 12A (one of the supplements). I can copy for you. Of course SP did not have the menagerie of specialized cars that PRR needed for its traffic. There was once a set of these sheets on-line, but when I went to the saved URL, they were not there. Haven't searched to see if they are out there somewhere. Tony Thompson _._,_._,_
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Re: More boring well car stuff
Tony Thompson
Elden, I have a copy in hand as I type. In the middle 1960s, SP issued a series of "Freight Car Specification Sheets" for all car types, 25 in all, and over time some of the sheets received supplements (many were one-page sheets, but many were longer). The heavy-duty flat cars wee on sheet 12A (one of the supplements). I can copy for you. Of course SP did not have the menagerie of specialized cars that PRR needed for its traffic. There was once a set of these sheets on-line, but when I went to the saved URL, they were not there. Haven't searched to see if they are out there somewhere. Tony Thompson
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Re: Slide and Negative Scanners
Jerry Michels
Charlie, Very much of interest to me. Jerry Michels
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] More boring well car stuff, was: Photo: Reading Well Hole Flat Car 99009 (Undated)
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Tony;
If you ever find a copy of that, I would LOVE to see a copy!
Regards,
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 3:10 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] More boring well car stuff, was: Photo: Reading Well Hole Flat Car 99009 (Undated)
Gatwood, Elden wrote:
Can't speak for other railroads, but I know SP had a document describing each of their specially equipped and heavy duty flat cars. Doubtless this was intended for shippers.
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Re: Slide and Negative Scanners
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Charlie, I use an "Epson Perfection V8000 Photo" scanner, a semi-pro machine that does a pretty good job scanning slides and negatives, as well as general copying. The software is a bit clunky, but I'm used to it now. Everything gets washed through Photoshop anyway. I paid somewhere between $400-500 for the Epson. If you've looked at photos I've shared here, you are seeing stuff done on that machine. This model has probably been succeeded by a newer version with a higher number, but the Epson machines in this range are pretty good, and good values too. My scanner came with several frames, one for 35 mm negatives, one for 35 mm slides, and some others for which I have yet to find a use. When I have an odd-sized negative, I put it right on the glass. A 6" plastic ruler along the bottom edge keeps the negative square and moves it away from a void space along the edge of the glass. After I have a preview shot on my screen, I select the area of the negative I actually want, eliminating the ruler. One more thing to consider. Besides Photoshop I use the powerful but inexpensive Graphic Convertor program from Lemke Software. It does some stuff that is really hard to do with Photoshop, like adding text to an image. As its name implies, it can also convert from or to a number of formats, many more than Photoshop can handle. I save everything in TIFF (which unlike JPEG is stable), except for what I convert back to JPEG for attaching to emails. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 1:53 PM Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:
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Re: Slide and Negative Scanners
Chuck Soule
Pacific Northwest Railroad Archive uses Epson scanners, primarily the V800 and V850. I particularly like that the the associated computer software lets you tweak the scan parameters based on your preview, before you do the final scan. So minimal photoshopping afterwards! I have only done prints on it, not slides or negatives, but I know it has the capability. I believe the V850 slide template will hold 12 slides at once. It's not cheap, but it is a very good scanner.
Chuck Soule
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] More boring well car stuff, was: Photo: Reading Well Hole Flat Car 99009 (Undated)
Tony Thompson
Gatwood, Elden wrote: There are at least several kinds of well cars, interestingly not separated in the AAR classification, which just lumps them together as “FW” – “Flat well-hole car for special transportation of plate glass, etc. This car is a flat car with hole in middle to enable lading to be dropped down on account of clearance limits.” Can't speak for other railroads, but I know SP had a document describing each of their specially equipped and heavy duty flat cars. Doubtless this was intended for shippers. Tony Thompson
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] More boring well car stuff pt 8, was: Photo: Reading Well Hole Flat Car 99009 (Undated)
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Group;
This is the BM car in question, as the F&C kit. It is a really different, fun build.
And this beast. Not everyone knows, the FD2 “Queen Mary” was one of the biggest flat cars (depressed center) in existence, built to use 4 huge trucks off of PRR long distance tenders, for ONE load (with expectations for others). More unknown is this well hole flat, PRR class FW1, built for ONE load, to use with those same trucks. They lifted off the FD2 body, then plopped this deep well hole body on top. Check out THAT load!
Whew.
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 12:49 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] More boring well car stuff pt 6, was: Photo: Reading Well Hole Flat Car 99009 (Undated)
Group;
How about this combo of well car AND depressed center flat?
It used a GSC casting to combine load-bearing well floor with depressed well, to boot.
Load distributed on end decks and side sills.
USS Homestead Works was a particularly good customer.
Listed as “FD”.
Hmmmm.
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Then there are these guys.
I DARE you to build one. (The F&C kit is a great start). Prepare for some interesting fabrications!
PRR took a handful of regular F25, and took the floor out and replaced it with thinner cross bars as shown in F25C interior. (Thanks to the great Craig Bossler)
This dropped the load inches closer to the floor, but not suspended, but on a load-bearing floor. Note how load is secured in 435482.
The diagonal plate or tank head loaders did the same thing, but with the additions of the racks onto which the load rested, on that one side of the cars.
These cars were heavily notated about load distribution, as you can guess.
The B&M cars that served GE were a hybrid of well and well hole. (F&C kit, also) They had a non-load-bearing well, being more of a protection for the bottom of the load, than something bearing weight. Those bore the load entirely on the end decking, by use of long beams that spanned the length of the car. Take a look at that kit, for a really nice build.
“FW”, indeed.
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Group;
Then there are the well cars with no floor, like the FN.
Here is Jack Consoli’s fabulous rendition (featured in TKM) in which the load is both suspended and distributed to side sills and ends, but blocked inside the well with distribution to the end members shown in the photo of 470026. Yes, stenciled merely as “FW”.
The F37B got the very tallest loads that could be accommodated on a railroad. Obviously they traveled widely, since nothing else could do what they did.
Fascinating.
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Group;
One of the interesting engineering problems in those days was how to distribute a load across the car without destroying the car.
For well cars with floors that were load-bearing, it generally involved distributing part of the load to the inside of the car where the load attached, but also to the (generally) more rugged (and deeper) side sill, by means of a series of load-bearing shapes connecting well bottom/side cross members, to the outside sill.
RDG 99009 is one of those. This load is clearly resting on the floor. No load is transferred to the ends or side sills.
But, Here are a couple shots illustrating a load being transferred to the side sill:
Concentration of a load on the floor would punch through the generally thin or shallow cross bearers in these cars. The Otis load is being spread out broadly.
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Group;
I thought maybe one or two of you would be interested in this murky subject:
There are at least several kinds of well cars, interestingly not separated in the AAR classification, which just lumps them together as “FW” – “Flat well-hole car for special transportation of plate glass, etc. This car is a flat car with hole in middle to enable lading to be dropped down on account of clearance limits.”
Clear as mud.
To a shipper that has a vertically oversized load to ship, there are some important considerations I would want to know. Does the car have a floor in the well? How far is it from the rails? Is the floor load bearing? If my load added on top of that still exceeds clearance, are portions of the floor removable in order to drop it closer to the rail without touching (especially important in the shipment of giant rings or circular ductwork or piping/valves)? If this still doesn’t work, is there a car that has no floor that I could suspend the load into, that would work? We are literally talking inches here….
None of that is clear in an AAR classification, forcing one to look at each car in detail, a shipper’s nightmare.
I can’t answer why, but they never did fully flesh this out.
PRR clearly had shippers in mind when they put more info in the ORER under each car, as notes (more on that in a follow-on).
Attached, the earliest PRR well hole car, the FN, with no floor, and the FNA with a nominal floor that can be removed if needed. It is clearly not a load bearing floor.
The last photo is interesting. The shipper needs both flooring partially (at the least) removed, AND a tilt to the load to get it within clearance limits. They have clearly supported the edges of the load above the rails by installing supports beneath on either side of the rim. How’s THAT for an innovative solution?
These guys were smart!
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Photo: Reading Well Hole Flat Car 99009 (Undated) A photo from the National Archives of Canada: This photo can be enlarged quite a bit. Car built 1924, photo taken 1938 or later. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Slide and Negative Scanners
Bill McClure
Charlie, I have done a lot of scanning over the years, starting with a Nikon Coolscan. At the moment I have an Epson V750 Pro flatbed that will do everything from negs to slides to documents, and a Plustek Optic Film 7600i that does slides and negs. I much prefer the latter for slides and 35mm negs. Both of these have a few years on them so there might be newer models. They came from B&H Photo in New York. The Epson flatbed versions would handle your aperture cards well. I have scanned old, odd sized prints and B&W negs on that one with great results. But for me the key is scanning software. I use Silverfast Ai, a German product that has a special setting for Kodachrome and works extremely well. Kodachrome was made with dye layers that can befuddle some scanners. That software is specific for the scanner model. Good luck, Bill Bill McClure www.billmcclure.smugmug.com
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Re: Slide and Negative Scanners
Charlie,
I have an Epson V600 and have been pretty happy with it for slides, negatives, and old photos. I've been pretty impressed with the negative digital scans compared to photos that were produced from the negatives. I wish I would have went with a V800 or V850 to scan more slides at a time then the 4 I can now. But I don't have a large slide collection and only purchase a few slides at a time so it's not an issue. Another option for slides is an adaptor for a SLR camera which allows for faster images and the ability to focus better. The camera option is pretty cheap - given if you already have a SLR plus they'll download directly to lightroom/photoshop for processing. Nate
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Re: [CBQ] Slide and Negative Scanners
Charlie,
I purchased an Epson V800 and am very pleased with it for transparencies as it will scan large format negatives as well as slides. It connects via USB and is Twain compliant for importing directly into Photoshop. The only complaint is that for prints, it does not scan the full width of the glass.
Dave
From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 1:53 PM To: CBQ@groups.io; Ry-ops-industrialSIG@groups.io; RealSTMFC@groups.io; PassengerCarList@groups.io Subject: [CBQ] Slide and Negative Scanners
All-
Does anyone have any experience with slide and negative scanners? My all-in-one copiers can do a decent job of digitizing photo prints but, even though a couple of them have slide processing capability they are somewhat clunky to use and I have many hundreds of slides and negatives to scan.
An additional wrinkle is that I have about 1000 microfilm aperture cards with CB&Q locomotive, freight and passenger car drawings on them which I would also like to scan. They are on computer keypunch-size cards 3 ¼ wide x 7 ¾ so I am hoping on getting something that can accommodate that width card or be modified to do so. Some of the scanners look like they have carriers that be duplicated in sheet plastic to make a custom holder…if the slot is 3 ¼ wide or more. As a last resort I could trim the width of the cards down to fit but I’d rather not.
I don’t want to go crazy with speed or quality and get a $5000 professional unit but I don’t want to go cheap and get the Kodak folding box gizmo or the low-end stuff that has no resolution. I’d rather get one that can connect to my computer for post processing rather than loading to a memory card. I already have VuScanX64 software which I have used to scan using my all-in-one.
If any of you have experience with scanners and can share thoughts or recommendations on brands or models to consider it would be much appreciated.
While the subject is technically off-topic it may be of interest to many in each group, please respond off-list unless moderators allow it to run as supporting the interests of the group.
Charlie Vlk Mt. Juliet, TN
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