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Re: GTW 583200 series autocar with 7' door - what era?

Andy Laurent
 

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 06:35 AM, James Brewer wrote:
Perfect, Jim.

583200-583701

XM

Boxcar

502

2/1929-7/1977

40.6

10.0

10.6*

3712

PSC

4-5/29

Stl. frame. 9'1" end dr. some re#441500-441849 series 12/46-5/47, 585203-585388 series 6-10/48 & 585389-585884 series 3-10/49.


Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)

Andy Carlson
 

And not just single sheathed cars. Compare the HO and real close ups of DS cars from my attachments.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



On Saturday, November 21, 2020, 10:26:54 AM PST, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi Schuyler and List members,
 
Maybe this tells us something about how our single sheathed models should look?!?
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Hi Schuyler and List members,
 
Maybe this tells us something about how our single sheathed models should look?!?
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)

Better than that, I saved a copy of the expanded image and zoomed in on that.  I >CAN< see some indication of joints but it simply was not “for sure” for me.

 

Thanks to the respondents for the clarity.

 

Schuyler

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert kirkham
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 1:21 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)

 

Did you click on the expand icon before zooming?  When I do that I can see the cracks between the individual boards.  Here’s a snippet:

 

Rob 

 

On Nov 21, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

 

Even though I’ve zoomed in quite a ways, could someone confirm my impression that this is a wood-sheathed car?

 

The door’s wood, but I am not completely sure that the car side is wood.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)

 

Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

Click on the arrows in the upper right hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarge it further.

Car built in 1923.

The car's reporting marks are repeated on the right end.

Although not legible, there is a car inspection card above the right wheel of the left truck. 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)

Andy Carlson
 

It is a wood sided car. Like a good quality house floor, the well-milled wood sheathing slats are tight fitting. In the years to come, the weaker flat-grained boards will come to light highlighting individual boards before the gaps increase, which in modeling we over exaggerate all the time.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Saturday, November 21, 2020, 10:12:26 AM PST, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:


Even though I’ve zoomed in quite a ways, could someone confirm my impression that this is a wood-sheathed car?

 

The door’s wood, but I am not completely sure that the car side is wood.

 

Schuyler

 


Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/57922/rec/104

Click on the arrows in the upper right hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarge it further.

Car built in 1923.


Re: Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Better than that, I saved a copy of the expanded image and zoomed in on that.  I >CAN< see some indication of joints but it simply was not “for sure” for me.

 

Thanks to the respondents for the clarity.

 

Schuyler

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert kirkham
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 1:21 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)

 

Did you click on the expand icon before zooming?  When I do that I can see the cracks between the individual boards.  Here’s a snippet:

 

Rob 

 

On Nov 21, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

 

Even though I’ve zoomed in quite a ways, could someone confirm my impression that this is a wood-sheathed car?

 

The door’s wood, but I am not completely sure that the car side is wood.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)

 

Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

Click on the arrows in the upper right hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarge it further.

Car built in 1923.

The car's reporting marks are repeated on the right end.

Although not legible, there is a car inspection card above the right wheel of the left truck. 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


Re: Slide and Negative Scanners

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

 

Thanks to everybody who responded with their recommendations and experiences regarding slide and negative scanners!

Thanks also to the moderators for letting the discussion run online for the edification of all as well.  I am going to put all the responses into a folder as there is a lot of good information for future reference.

To close the threads here is what I decided to do:

The Epson flatbed scanners seem to get decent marks for a number of you.   I decided to order the Epson V600 as it will appears to meet my speed, resolution and ease of use parameters.   If I should need something better I can always get a higher grade machine but for now I can at least start to get the slides and negatives out of boxes and see what I have.  In addition to doing 35mm slides and various film negative formats the V600 will also handle the aperture cards if I need to scan one or decide to start working through the 1000 cards.

I have had good experience with Epson printers and that was a factor in my decision as well.

A bonus was that with my Best Buy credit card points I was able to get it shipped to me free for less than half the retail out of pocket!

 

Charlie Vlk

Mt. Juliet, TN


Re: Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)

Robert kirkham
 

Did you click on the expand icon before zooming?  When I do that I can see the cracks between the individual boards.  Here’s a snippet:

Rob 

On Nov 21, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

Even though I’ve zoomed in quite a ways, could someone confirm my impression that this is a wood-sheathed car?
 
The door’s wood, but I am not completely sure that the car side is wood.
 
Schuyler
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)
 
Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)
A photo from the Denver Public Library:
Click on the arrows in the upper right hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarge it further.
Car built in 1923.
The car's reporting marks are repeated on the right end.
Although not legible, there is a car inspection card above the right wheel of the left truck. 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



Re: Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)

Paul Doggett
 

Schuyler 

It looks to have a replacement plank at the bottom.


Paul Doggett 


On 21 Nov 2020, at 18:12, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:



Even though I’ve zoomed in quite a ways, could someone confirm my impression that this is a wood-sheathed car?

 

The door’s wood, but I am not completely sure that the car side is wood.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)

 

Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/57922/rec/104

Click on the arrows in the upper right hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarge it further.

Car built in 1923.

The car's reporting marks are repeated on the right end.

Although not legible, there is a car inspection card above the right wheel of the left truck.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: GTW 583200 series autocar with 7' door - what era?

Robert kirkham
 

I tried again; so did one of my daughters.  We both get “

Error establishing a database connection

No idea why. I may have to go furrow through the magazine collection in storage.

 Rob

On Nov 21, 2020, at 9:57 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:

Rob,

It worked for me just before I sent that response. It is very slow to load, and bringing up the particular issue also takes time (they are very large PDFs). The nice part is that they are free!

Keep trying.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Even though I’ve zoomed in quite a ways, could someone confirm my impression that this is a wood-sheathed car?

 

The door’s wood, but I am not completely sure that the car side is wood.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)

 

Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/57922/rec/104

Click on the arrows in the upper right hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarge it further.

Car built in 1923.

The car's reporting marks are repeated on the right end.

Although not legible, there is a car inspection card above the right wheel of the left truck.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: GTW 583200 series autocar with 7' door - what era?

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Rob,

It worked for me just before I sent that response. It is very slow to load, and bringing up the particular issue also takes time (they are very large PDFs). The nice part is that they are free!

Keep trying.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 11:49 AM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
Thanks for the reference Garth.  I’m having some trouble getting to that page this morning - everything I try ends with not making a data base connection.

Rob

On Nov 21, 2020, at 3:59 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:

Rob,

This series of boxcars is discussed in the article "Modeling 40-Foot CN Steel-Frame Box Cars, Part III, Type E Cars In HO Scale From Steam Shack Kits" by Stafford Swain in the February 2001 RAILMODEL JOURNAL. If you don't have this issue, it can be found on the TRAINLIFE LIBRARY web site at https://www.trainlife.com/pages/the-magazine-library . If you are interested in the rebuilt all-steel single-door version of this car, there are two photos.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 1:11 AM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
Just realized my first e-mail, (repeating a typo on the F&C site), used a 5 digit number, not the 6 digits series on the decals or in the ORER.    So maybe I'm only flagging my mistake, (but hoping there is an earlier 5 digit number series from pre-1953 that helps make sense of this kit in 1946.)

Rob




Fw: [RealSTMFC] Photos: "New Roof" Stencil (1945-1946)

dahminator68
 

Hello Tom.  The D&RGW 3000 series ng boxcars only had metal parts in the body bolsters and roof carlines (not all roofs).  No metal sills or sill reinforcements that I have heard of.  All sills were wood.
There were other ng cars with metal sills, mostly later flat cars.

Andrew Dahm


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On Friday, November 20, 2020, 8:21 PM, Thomas Evans via groups.io <tomkevans@...> wrote:

I believe those are Murphy roofs.
The 3000-series Rio Grande boxcars were extensively rebuilt about this time in the 1920's.
This roughly coincided with the addition of the larger Mikados & other improvements.
Note the rebuild dates in the lower right hand corner of the car side usually matches the new roof date.
I believe that they received steel center sills & body bolsters, etc. at this time.
I've always felt that they look oddly too small when compared to other narrow gauge equipment (especially the later 2-8-2 locomotives)
& wondered why the Rio Grande didn't go for larger cars.
I suppose it was a matter of cost.

Tom


Re: Photos: "New Roof" Stencil (1945-1946)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I’ve never noticed the X-bracing on the inside of a car’s roof.  Unusual, or no?

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of np328
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 12:36 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: "New Roof" Stencil (1945-1946)

 

This struck an odd note and sure enough, my post 163462 has a partial image of a car with "New Plastic Roof" and some numbers in roughly the same position on the car here:
https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/pnp/fsa/8a04000/8a04700/8a04764v.jpg   
More than just a coincidence and another day, another modeling mystery.                                             Jim Dick - St. Paul, MN 


Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/57922/rec/104

Click on the arrows in the upper right hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarge it further.

Car built in 1923.

The car's reporting marks are repeated on the right end.

Although not legible, there is a car inspection card above the right wheel of the left truck.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: GTW 583200 series autocar with 7' door - what era?

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks for the reference Garth.  I’m having some trouble getting to that page this morning - everything I try ends with not making a data base connection.

Rob

On Nov 21, 2020, at 3:59 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:

Rob,

This series of boxcars is discussed in the article "Modeling 40-Foot CN Steel-Frame Box Cars, Part III, Type E Cars In HO Scale From Steam Shack Kits" by Stafford Swain in the February 2001 RAILMODEL JOURNAL. If you don't have this issue, it can be found on the TRAINLIFE LIBRARY web site at https://www.trainlife.com/pages/the-magazine-library . If you are interested in the rebuilt all-steel single-door version of this car, there are two photos.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 1:11 AM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
Just realized my first e-mail, (repeating a typo on the F&C site), used a 5 digit number, not the 6 digits series on the decals or in the ORER.    So maybe I'm only flagging my mistake, (but hoping there is an earlier 5 digit number series from pre-1953 that helps make sense of this kit in 1946.)

Rob




Re: Slide and Negative Scanners

Mont Switzer
 

OK guys, at the risk of sounding like the hack that I am, I developed a method years ago of digitizing slides in a hurry.  The resulting photo is usually needed for a model in process.

 

I have a device that is like a small light table that I used to use when sorting color slides.  It still comes in handy for this.  I also learned that I could set up a designated spot on the light table and aim my camera with close up lens at it.  Then all I had to do was scoot the slide(s) into that spot, focus on the subject in the slide and take a digital image.  Pretty quick.

 

This is not a museum quality operation, but when you consider that my hobby is building models, it serves my purposes pretty well.

 

Yes, I have a 3600 dpi slide scanner for the more critical digital conversions, but I don't let it slow my model building down.   

 

Mont Switzer 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of devansprr [devans1@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 1:04 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Slide and Negative Scanners

Charlie,

This is an interesting alternative, although it only works for 35mm slides. It came up on the RR Historical Society SIG group. Credit to Jeff Eggert over at CNWHS:

http://www.yardoffice.com/archives/howto/slideshootingdslr.html

In addition to being pretty fast, if you already have a slide projector and DLSR, it is of nominal cost.

At some point I need to use this setup for my non-RR family slide collection. I used a Canon film scanner in the past, and liked it very much, but it has suffered a hardware failure after about 15 years and I have not yet attempted a repair (nor do I know if parts are available.)

But my Canon scanner could never scan close to the 300 slides per hour rate that Jeff claims.

Dave Evans


Re: GTW 58300 series autocar with 7' door - what era?

Andy Laurent
 

Rob,

GTW boxcars were typically in 6-figure number series.  Do you mean 583000?  I see 8'4" door 573000-series auto cars (axle loading), and 583200-series 10'6" door cars in the 1950 ORER.

Andy L. 
Wisconsin


Re: GTW 583200 series autocar with 7' door - what era?

James Brewer
 

Rob,

From Ian Cranstone's web site:


Jim Brewer

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 7:00 AM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
Rob,

This series of boxcars is discussed in the article "Modeling 40-Foot CN Steel-Frame Box Cars, Part III, Type E Cars In HO Scale From Steam Shack Kits" by Stafford Swain in the February 2001 RAILMODEL JOURNAL. If you don't have this issue, it can be found on the TRAINLIFE LIBRARY web site at https://www.trainlife.com/pages/the-magazine-library . If you are interested in the rebuilt all-steel single-door version of this car, there are two photos.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 1:11 AM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
Just realized my first e-mail, (repeating a typo on the F&C site), used a 5 digit number, not the 6 digits series on the decals or in the ORER.    So maybe I'm only flagging my mistake, (but hoping there is an earlier 5 digit number series from pre-1953 that helps make sense of this kit in 1946.)

Rob


Re: GTW 583200 series autocar with 7' door - what era?

James Brewer
 

Rob,

From Ian Cranstone's web site:


Jim Brewer


Re: GTW 583200 series autocar with 7' door - what era?

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Rob,

This series of boxcars is discussed in the article "Modeling 40-Foot CN Steel-Frame Box Cars, Part III, Type E Cars In HO Scale From Steam Shack Kits" by Stafford Swain in the February 2001 RAILMODEL JOURNAL. If you don't have this issue, it can be found on the TRAINLIFE LIBRARY web site at https://www.trainlife.com/pages/the-magazine-library . If you are interested in the rebuilt all-steel single-door version of this car, there are two photos.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 1:11 AM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
Just realized my first e-mail, (repeating a typo on the F&C site), used a 5 digit number, not the 6 digits series on the decals or in the ORER.    So maybe I'm only flagging my mistake, (but hoping there is an earlier 5 digit number series from pre-1953 that helps make sense of this kit in 1946.)

Rob

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