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Re: HO Tank Car Lid

Tony Thompson
 

Charles Peck wrote:

One might keep in mind that many products would never have the manway 
hatch opened except for cleaning.  Most liquid products can be loaded and unloaded
through pipes and hoses attached to access valves. An open hatchway is 
a potential source of contamination.

   It's not a manway on a pressure car. The cover is opened for access to the valves and hose connections.
    But on non-pressure cars, the manway cover IS opened for loading, and opened for unloading to access the valve wheel, or for top unloading.

Tony Thompson




Re: HO Tank Car Lid

Tony Thompson
 

Todd Sullivan wrote:

You should be able to saw the 'lid' off an Athearn 'chemical' tank car (cheap donor) and add it to an Atlas 11,000 gallon pressure tank car model.  If you have one of those super thin modeling saws, you could probably just cut the top off the Atlas model's manway (dome) and glue it back on in the open position.  I know of no HO tank car that has an operating hinged lid.

  Better try and use the Atlas over. I don't think you can mix the two. The Athearn one is considerably oversize, while the Atlas valve bonnet is scale size.

Tony Thompson




Re: SP tank cars, Jennings, LA, 1909-1915

Tony Thompson
 

Claus Schlund  wrote:

Image of SP tank cars, Jennings, LA, 1909-1915
 

  How's that for spillage? I like to weather tank cars but haven't gotten this far <g>.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: ATSF Boxcar 212625 Bx-12 (1948)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, Peter.

Schuyler

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The car on the photograph has AB brakes. You can clearly see the transversal mounted reservoir on the photograph with the 3-1-48 brake service stencil. This type of mounting was common practice on Santa Fe freight cars.
Peter Aue


Re: Photo: ATSF Boxcar 212625 Bx-12 (1948)

peteraue
 

The car on the photograph has AB brakes. You can clearly see the
transversal mounted reservoir on the photograph with the 3-1-48 brake
service stencil.  This type of mounting was common practice on Santa Fe
freight cars.
Peter Aue


Re: HO Tank Car Lid

Charles Peck
 

One might keep in mind that many products would never have the manway 
hatch opened except for cleaning.  Most liquid products can be loaded and unloaded
through pipes and hoses attached to access valves. An open hatchway is 
a potential source of contamination.
Chuck Peck

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 11:39 AM Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Allen,

You should be able to saw the 'lid' off an Athearn 'chemical' tank car (cheap donor) and add it to an Atlas 11,000 gallon pressure tank car model.  If you have one of those super thin modeling saws, you could probably just cut the top off the Atlas model's manway (dome) and glue it back on in the open position.  I know of no HO tank car that has an operating hinged lid.

Todd Sullivan.


Re: HO Tank Car Lid

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Inside the hinged top are the control valves for loading and unloading.  The hose connections enter that casing through holes in the side of the casing to connect with the valves there.  Note that there are two connections required to properly empty the car.  See this interesting photo

 

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 10:33 AM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] HO Tank Car Lid

 

The picture of the Warren Tank Car being filled inspired me to model a car being filled.

Does anyone offer an HO tank car top with a lid that opens to model a car being filled?  Probably not using the right terms but you get my meaning I hope.

Would be interested in one for either gas, oil, propane or acid tank cars.

Thanks,

Allen Cain


Re: MKT model from a Accurail SS box car kit

Robert kirkham
 

I haven’t come across anything yet.  I see cars in number series 95xxx, 96xxx and 77xxx.  I’m not sure of the exact start and end numbers in each car series,  and do not know who the original builders were.  The changes I see:

Reinforcement straps in panels 1 and 9:
- the diagonal straps at the car ends sit on top/over the side edge of the car end, not tucked inside.  
- Some photos show the lower diagonal is nearly double the width; other times a regular width.
- the the top diagonal is typical - slightly less wide than the “normal width” lower diagonal, and much narrower than the “wide width” lower diagonal
- there are cars with a horizontal strap at the high of the end panel seam - have not found it on a 77xxx series car so far.

Bulge plates: - I see them in all panels, so would add them in panels 1 and 9

Gusset at side sill/end panel - needs beefing up on the Accurail car side.

Diagonal braces - toughest problem on these models.  The diagonals are attached to the vertical braces with a gap at the bottom. And the outer face of the Z braces is trimmed square, making it hang below the bottom of the side sills.  Thinking you can use a thin overlay to model the out face hanging lower than the side sill, but the gaps . . . would require heavy carving and all new diagonals, so may be better ignored for this kitbash.

Doors: some are top-hung; others have rollers on the bottom.  Some have the horizontal steel brace at mid height, some have it closer to 1/3 from the bottom.   I think one variant that’s easy is to use a Tichy door.   Or carve off and re-do the horizontal brace.  But the Accurail door is fine on a lot of cars.  The 96xxx series cars usually have the lower brace, but I found one image on a 96xxx series car with mid height brace.  I notice the upper door hangers vary;  in some it looks like the small triangular gussets at the top corners of the doors carry up into the door track.  In others, the Accurail rollers are used.  Sorry - can’t recall names, and not taking the time to look them up this morning.

Door stops are at top (end of door track) and bottom.  

Ladders - the usual, LOL.  The bottom run on the side ladder is a drop grab; the others straight.  It's the same on the truncated end ladders - bottom grab is the drop type.   All 
other grab irons appear to be straight, except the two at the end sills and the one on the right side of each end, attached to the 4th rib.  They are drop grabs.  

Rob 

   

On Nov 23, 2020, at 8:17 AM, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:

Does anyone know of any info on this cars in the RP Cyc? I have Ted's RMC essentials article, but there seems to be differences in these cars. I'd like to find the ose info I could on the ones matching the Accurail car the closest.
As always, thanks for any advice,
Clark Propst


Re: HO Tank Car Lid

Todd Sullivan
 

Allen,

You should be able to saw the 'lid' off an Athearn 'chemical' tank car (cheap donor) and add it to an Atlas 11,000 gallon pressure tank car model.  If you have one of those super thin modeling saws, you could probably just cut the top off the Atlas model's manway (dome) and glue it back on in the open position.  I know of no HO tank car that has an operating hinged lid.

Todd Sullivan.


Re: Photo: ATSF Boxcar 212625 Bx-12 (1948)

Steve SANDIFER
 

It’s all in the Santa Fe Painting and Lettering Guide, now officially Out of Print, but being updated and reprinted with more photos and details.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of radiodial868
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Thanks, Steve, for a great summary.  Carefully saved this for future reference.

Schuyler

Me too, Steve, this is nice! Too bad I didn't have this summary this past dozen or so years I've been building Santa Fe resin kits. Westerfield and Sunshine & F&C kit prototype color history were all over the map and many times conflicting.  Looks like I have some paint and lettering touchups to do now.
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


HO Tank Car Lid

Allen Cain
 

The picture of the Warren Tank Car being filled inspired me to model a car being filled.

Does anyone offer an HO tank car top with a lid that opens to model a car being filled?  Probably not using the right terms but you get my meaning I hope.

Would be interested in one for either gas, oil, propane or acid tank cars.

Thanks,

Allen Cain


Re: Photo: ATSF Boxcar 212625 Bx-12 (1948)

Steve SANDIFER
 

The roof was raised on these in 1946-1951 (3290 of them) and over 100 lasted into 1965-66. The last ones on the Live List were in 1974. Add the BX-11 to that and the numbers grow to 4550. These were signature cars on the Santa Fe.  (Westerfield 4600, 4700, Dalman trucks)

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Horton via groups.io
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: ATSF Boxcar 212625 Bx-12 (1948)

 

Great photo, did these cars get AB brakes and survive till?

 

Todd Horton

 

 

On Sunday, November 22, 2020, 09:14:49 PM EST, BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:

 

 

http://digital.denverlibrary.org/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=p15330coll22&CISOPTR=55053&action=2&DMSCALE=100&DMWIDTH=7000&DMHEIGHT=600081

 

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: ATSF Boxcar 212625 Bx-12 (1948)

 

Photo: ATSF Boxcar 212625 Bx-12 (1948)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/55053/rec/56

Click on the arrows in the upper right hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarge it further.

Car built in 1930. The car height was extended with a new steel panel roof and upper side and end panels during a minor rebuilding program in 1941-1944.

Car has a switching tag or card ("52") on the door.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


MKT model from a Accurail SS box car kit

Clark Propst
 

Does anyone know of any info on this cars in the RP Cyc? I have Ted's RMC essentials article, but there seems to be differences in these cars. I'd like to find the ose info I could on the ones matching the Accurail car the closest.
As always, thanks for any advice,
Clark Propst


Images of WARREN tank cas at Olsen Co, Bridgeport, Texas, in 1958

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Images of WARREN tank cars at Olsen Co, Bridgeport, Texas, in 1958
 
 
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 


SP tank cars, Jennings, LA, 1909-1915

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Image of SP tank cars, Jennings, LA, 1909-1915
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Photo: ATSF Boxcar 212625 Bx-12 (1948)

radiodial868
 


Thanks, Steve, for a great summary.  Carefully saved this for future reference.

Schuyler

Me too, Steve, this is nice! Too bad I didn't have this summary this past dozen or so years I've been building Santa Fe resin kits. Westerfield and Sunshine & F&C kit prototype color history were all over the map and many times conflicting.  Looks like I have some paint and lettering touchups to do now.
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Missouri & North Arkansas Boxcar

Eric Lombard
 

Jim, It appears to have the unique pattern of a Mather car in the end panel of the side. if it is M&NA, and is a Mather car, then it would be M&NA 2600-2649, Mather cars, active 7-1934 to late 1939.

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL


On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 1:49 PM Jim Gates via groups.io <jim.gates=ymail.com@groups.io> wrote:
This is a very poor resolution photograph:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12293485546/in/photostream/

But is that part of a Missouri & North Arkansas boxcar on the right?

Jim Gates






Re: Photo: ATSF Boxcar 212625 Bx-12 (1948)

al_brown03
 

"K" is the model of the Royal regulator. There's also a type F, I think. The applications I've seen were to AB brakes, although I think they'd work on schedule K brakes if so applied (Royal regulators are a form of slack adjuster).

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


partial image of steel reefer ART 47933

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
I thought some might enjoy this partial image of steel reefer ART 47933. While the image was taken in 1965, I suspect the car was in service during this list's time period of interest.
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Photo: ATSF Boxcar 212625 Bx-12 (1948)

Paul Doggett
 

Schuyler 

It’s got AB brakes Royal K is the type of adjuster.  K brakes where outlawed in interchange service in or by 1953 it kept getting pushed back,

Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 23 Nov 2020, at 15:53, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:



Thank you, Brian.  Prior to the photo I’d not noted the legend “ROYAL K BRK REGL” on the side of the car.  This is obviously 1948 or later, but K brakes?  Were they not outlawed by then?  (I admit to not reading all preceding posts about this interesting car!)

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 9:15 PM
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http://digital.denverlibrary.org/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=p15330coll22&CISOPTR=55053&action=2&DMSCALE=100&DMWIDTH=7000&DMHEIGHT=600081

 

 

 

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Bob Chaparro via groups.io" <chiefbobbb@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, November 22, 2020 at 11:39 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: ATSF Boxcar 212625 Bx-12 (1948)

 

Photo: ATSF Boxcar 212625 Bx-12 (1948)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/55053/rec/56

Click on the arrows in the upper right hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarge it further.

Car built in 1930. The car height was extended with a new steel panel roof and upper side and end panels during a minor rebuilding program in 1941-1944.

Car has a switching tag or card ("52") on the door.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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