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Re: Search STMFC question

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Nice looking cars, Steve.  Who looks at roofs (from ground level) anyway?  😊

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 11:30 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Search STMFC question

 

Many years ago I did shorten the Walthers 50 foot car to 40 feet as part of pair of Wabash 40 footers.  In the attached photo, the Walthers end doors went on to one of the old F&C kits on the left in the photo.  The Walthers car was shortened by removing a panel section on either side.  I am happy with the overall result, but there is a bit of funkiness to the roof rib spacing.  (I wasn’t into replacing roofs in those days.)

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 9:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Search STMFC question

 


I friend - Leo Landry - figured out to make a number of cuts into the cars to shorten
them to 40 feet. His looked fine to me but I don't know if there was an exact prototype
to match. But it may be worth looking into.


On 11/24/2020 11:08 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:

Hi-

 

I am reminded often that we can search for previous STMFC,io posts on subjects of our interest. Tonight I tried to find a search engine on the STMFC.io home page. I could not find one.

 

I admit to be at near the bottom of the curve when it comes to computer savvy skills. My search was inspired this week with a short thread about scale board groove gaps for model train single sheathed freight cars. I seem to recall that both the MDC and Walthers products of 50' single sheathed auto box cars came out originally close to the same time. I also seem to remember that Richard Hendrickson mentioned the prototype for the Walthers car was thought to be non existent.

 

Is the Walthers car close to any North American prototype? I admire the boards on the Walthers cars and feel them to be nicely done with the groove exagerations held in check. In particular, is there any chance for an easy kit bash into something real?

 

Any help here is appreciated, Stay safe, friends!

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Search STMFC question

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Many years ago I did shorten the Walthers 50 foot car to 40 feet as part of pair of Wabash 40 footers.  In the attached photo, the Walthers end doors went on to one of the old F&C kits on the left in the photo.  The Walthers car was shortened by removing a panel section on either side.  I am happy with the overall result, but there is a bit of funkiness to the roof rib spacing.  (I wasn’t into replacing roofs in those days.)

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 9:46 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Search STMFC question

 


I friend - Leo Landry - figured out to make a number of cuts into the cars to shorten
them to 40 feet. His looked fine to me but I don't know if there was an exact prototype
to match. But it may be worth looking into.


On 11/24/2020 11:08 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:

Hi-

 

I am reminded often that we can search for previous STMFC,io posts on subjects of our interest. Tonight I tried to find a search engine on the STMFC.io home page. I could not find one.

 

I admit to be at near the bottom of the curve when it comes to computer savvy skills. My search was inspired this week with a short thread about scale board groove gaps for model train single sheathed freight cars. I seem to recall that both the MDC and Walthers products of 50' single sheathed auto box cars came out originally close to the same time. I also seem to remember that Richard Hendrickson mentioned the prototype for the Walthers car was thought to be non existent.

 

Is the Walthers car close to any North American prototype? I admire the boards on the Walthers cars and feel them to be nicely done with the groove exagerations held in check. In particular, is there any chance for an easy kit bash into something real?

 

Any help here is appreciated, Stay safe, friends!

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


File /Lowering Intermountain Truck Bolsters.doc uploaded #file-notice

Andy Carlson
 

Yes, Tim, but the Intermountain house cars ride too high on THEIR own trucks. This has been known for a long time.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Wednesday, November 25, 2020, 7:55:43 AM PST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



I've been scratching my head kind of wondering what this discussion was all about... but looking
at your document it seems to me that part of the issue is the trucks themselves.Truck bolsters made
to fit one style of underframe may not have the correct height for another style of underframe.
I always have to fuss with height when I'm using Kadee trucks, for example, on a non-Kadee model.



On 11/24/2020 6:59 PM, main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Notification wrote:

The following files have been uploaded to the Files area of the main@RealSTMFC.groups.io group.

By: Richard Remiarz

Description:
Lowering bolsters on Intermountain boxcars



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: File /Lowering Intermountain Truck Bolsters.doc uploaded #file-notice

Tim O'Connor
 


I've been scratching my head kind of wondering what this discussion was all about... but looking
at your document it seems to me that part of the issue is the trucks themselves.Truck bolsters made
to fit one style of underframe may not have the correct height for another style of underframe.
I always have to fuss with height when I'm using Kadee trucks, for example, on a non-Kadee model.



On 11/24/2020 6:59 PM, main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Notification wrote:

The following files have been uploaded to the Files area of the main@RealSTMFC.groups.io group.

By: Richard Remiarz

Description:
Lowering bolsters on Intermountain boxcars



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Search STMFC question

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I only know Leo from phone contact, but he said to me that project results in a “nearly exact” model of an EL box car.  Very clever work and extremely well done.  IF he had a computer, he’d be a worthy member of RealSTMFC.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 10:46 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Search STMFC question

 


I friend - Leo Landry - figured out to make a number of cuts into the cars to shorten
them to 40 feet. His looked fine to me but I don't know if there was an exact prototype
to match. But it may be worth looking into.


On 11/24/2020 11:08 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:

Hi-

 

I am reminded often that we can search for previous STMFC,io posts on subjects of our interest. Tonight I tried to find a search engine on the STMFC.io home page. I could not find one.

 

I admit to be at near the bottom of the curve when it comes to computer savvy skills. My search was inspired this week with a short thread about scale board groove gaps for model train single sheathed freight cars. I seem to recall that both the MDC and Walthers products of 50' single sheathed auto box cars came out originally close to the same time. I also seem to remember that Richard Hendrickson mentioned the prototype for the Walthers car was thought to be non existent.

 

Is the Walthers car close to any North American prototype? I admire the boards on the Walthers cars and feel them to be nicely done with the groove exagerations held in check. In particular, is there any chance for an easy kit bash into something real?

 

Any help here is appreciated, Stay safe, friends!

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Search STMFC question

O Fenton Wells
 

The Walthers car is a 'peaked' roof car while the mDC cars are radial roof cars.  Not sure if the Walthers car has a prototype but it might be a starting point for the IC 50 ft OB car.
Fenton

On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 10:46 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

I friend - Leo Landry - figured out to make a number of cuts into the cars to shorten
them to 40 feet. His looked fine to me but I don't know if there was an exact prototype
to match. But it may be worth looking into.


On 11/24/2020 11:08 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
Hi-

I am reminded often that we can search for previous STMFC,io posts on subjects of our interest. Tonight I tried to find a search engine on the STMFC.io home page. I could not find one.

I admit to be at near the bottom of the curve when it comes to computer savvy skills. My search was inspired this week with a short thread about scale board groove gaps for model train single sheathed freight cars. I seem to recall that both the MDC and Walthers products of 50' single sheathed auto box cars came out originally close to the same time. I also seem to remember that Richard Hendrickson mentioned the prototype for the Walthers car was thought to be non existent.

Is the Walthers car close to any North American prototype? I admire the boards on the Walthers cars and feel them to be nicely done with the groove exagerations held in check. In particular, is there any chance for an easy kit bash into something real?

Any help here is appreciated, Stay safe, friends!
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: Search STMFC question

Tim O'Connor
 


I friend - Leo Landry - figured out to make a number of cuts into the cars to shorten
them to 40 feet. His looked fine to me but I don't know if there was an exact prototype
to match. But it may be worth looking into.


On 11/24/2020 11:08 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
Hi-

I am reminded often that we can search for previous STMFC,io posts on subjects of our interest. Tonight I tried to find a search engine on the STMFC.io home page. I could not find one.

I admit to be at near the bottom of the curve when it comes to computer savvy skills. My search was inspired this week with a short thread about scale board groove gaps for model train single sheathed freight cars. I seem to recall that both the MDC and Walthers products of 50' single sheathed auto box cars came out originally close to the same time. I also seem to remember that Richard Hendrickson mentioned the prototype for the Walthers car was thought to be non existent.

Is the Walthers car close to any North American prototype? I admire the boards on the Walthers cars and feel them to be nicely done with the groove exagerations held in check. In particular, is there any chance for an easy kit bash into something real?

Any help here is appreciated, Stay safe, friends!
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: K4 Decals

Chuck Cover
 

Thanks for the kind words John.  I am not sure whose trucks are on the NC&StL boxcar.  I have a supply of different trucks that I look through with each build and try to match what I see for the prototype.

 

Years ago, I also had a box of Kilgore trucks.  They were great and very smooth and free rolling.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM

 

_._,_._,_


Re: K4 Decals

golden1014
 

Hi Chuck, are those Kilgore trucks???  I used to have a whole bunch of them back in the 1980s.  Great model--one of a kind.

John Golden


Re: GN 1948 Box Cars

golden1014
 

Thank you Steffan for the photo and everyone else for your replies.  The photo is perfect--it's the right view from the right era.  I see the difference now in the kit-supplied end vs. the proto-photo. I owe you one!

John Golden
Ramstein-Miesenbach, Germany

RPM Blog: https://railroadprototypemodeler.wordpress.com/ 


Re: Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Hi Schuyler,

    Its a great example of why the Fowler Patent used on the first 9,000 or so Dominion Cars fell from favor so fast.
If the car builder used good seasoned and kiln dried lumber for sheathing and then properly painted it there was very 
little shrinkage making some cars, like this No. Pac. car, look as though they might have steel sheathing when they 
didn't. I'll never understand how the Fowler Patent got as far as it did unless some railroad purchasing agent bought 
into the idea without checking with anyone in his own car shop. Anyone who had worked for any length of time with 
wood would have known better. 

My best, Don Valentine


Re: Photos: "New Roof" Stencil (1945-1946)

Larry Wolohon
 

Those boxcars are D&RGW, 3' gauge cars, which were rebuilt many times. Larry Wolohon

On 11/20/2020 5:40 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:
 
 

Photos: "New Roof" Stencil (1945-1946)

Photos from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/47332/rec/35

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/47336/rec/38

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/47339/rec/40

Click on the arrows in the upper right hand corner of the photos to enlarge them and scroll to enlarge them further.

The stencils are to the left of the door near the roofline. This stencil is new to me, maybe not to others.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


ADMIN: Search STMFC question

Aley, Jeff A
 

Hi Andy,

 

               Good question – and probably one that other people also have. 

 

Step 1. Go to the groups.io page for RealSTMFC.  It is at https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/topics .

Step 2. Make sure you’re logged in.  In the upper right corner, you should see your name.  If you do see your name, you’re logged in; if you don’t see your name, I think you’ll see some kind of login button.

Step 3.  Find the Search button.  Make sure you’ve selected “Messages” at the left, and then you should be able to Search.

 

See the attached picture for details.

 

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff Aley

Deputy Moderator, RealSTMFC

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 8:09 PM
To: STMFC E-List <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Search STMFC question

 

Hi-

 

I am reminded often that we can search for previous STMFC,io posts on subjects of our interest. Tonight I tried to find a search engine on the STMFC.io home page. I could not find one.

 

I admit to be at near the bottom of the curve when it comes to computer savvy skills. My search was inspired this week with a short thread about scale board groove gaps for model train single sheathed freight cars. I seem to recall that both the MDC and Walthers products of 50' single sheathed auto box cars came out originally close to the same time. I also seem to remember that Richard Hendrickson mentioned the prototype for the Walthers car was thought to be non existent.

 

Is the Walthers car close to any North American prototype? I admire the boards on the Walthers cars and feel them to be nicely done with the groove exagerations held in check. In particular, is there any chance for an easy kit bash into something real?

 

Any help here is appreciated, Stay safe, friends!

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA


Re: Search STMFC question

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Oooops!  Sorry:

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...>
Date: 11/24/20 7:04 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Search STMFC question

Hi Again Andy:
.
hile you are searching could you please forward a copy of the Great Northern box xar I n question?  When I got home and went to compare the ends the photo had escaped my computer.

Thanks:

Bill





Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>
Date: 11/24/20 6:08 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: STMFC E-List <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Search STMFC question

Hi-

I am reminded often that we can search for previous STMFC,io posts on subjects of our interest. Tonight I tried to find a search engine on the STMFC.io home page. I could not find one.

I admit to be at near the bottom of the curve when it comes to computer savvy skills. My search was inspired this week with a short thread about scale board groove gaps for model train single sheathed freight cars. I seem to recall that both the MDC and Walthers products of 50' single sheathed auto box cars came out originally close to the same time. I also seem to remember that Richard Hendrickson mentioned the prototype for the Walthers car was thought to be non existent.

Is the Walthers car close to any North American prototype? I admire the boards on the Walthers cars and feel them to be nicely done with the groove exagerations held in check. In particular, is there any chance for an easy kit bash into something real?

Any help here is appreciated, Stay safe, friends!
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Search STMFC question

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Hi Again Andy:
.
hile you are searching could you please forward a copy of the Great Northern box xar I n question?  When I got home and went to compare the ends the photo had escaped my computer.

Thanks:

Bill





Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>
Date: 11/24/20 6:08 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: STMFC E-List <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Search STMFC question

Hi-

I am reminded often that we can search for previous STMFC,io posts on subjects of our interest. Tonight I tried to find a search engine on the STMFC.io home page. I could not find one.

I admit to be at near the bottom of the curve when it comes to computer savvy skills. My search was inspired this week with a short thread about scale board groove gaps for model train single sheathed freight cars. I seem to recall that both the MDC and Walthers products of 50' single sheathed auto box cars came out originally close to the same time. I also seem to remember that Richard Hendrickson mentioned the prototype for the Walthers car was thought to be non existent.

Is the Walthers car close to any North American prototype? I admire the boards on the Walthers cars and feel them to be nicely done with the groove exagerations held in check. In particular, is there any chance for an easy kit bash into something real?

Any help here is appreciated, Stay safe, friends!
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Search STMFC question

Guy Wilber
 

Andy wrote:

“I am reminded often that we can search for previous STMFC,io posts on subjects of our interest. Tonight I tried to find a search engine on the STMFC.io home page. I could not find one.”

Click on “View/Reply Online” below any post.  Click search in the next window and go nuts.  You’ll be amazed what we have covered in the last 20 years!

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Search STMFC question

Andy Carlson
 

Hi-

I am reminded often that we can search for previous STMFC,io posts on subjects of our interest. Tonight I tried to find a search engine on the STMFC.io home page. I could not find one.

I admit to be at near the bottom of the curve when it comes to computer savvy skills. My search was inspired this week with a short thread about scale board groove gaps for model train single sheathed freight cars. I seem to recall that both the MDC and Walthers products of 50' single sheathed auto box cars came out originally close to the same time. I also seem to remember that Richard Hendrickson mentioned the prototype for the Walthers car was thought to be non existent.

Is the Walthers car close to any North American prototype? I admire the boards on the Walthers cars and feel them to be nicely done with the groove exagerations held in check. In particular, is there any chance for an easy kit bash into something real?

Any help here is appreciated, Stay safe, friends!
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


SOLD:

Jim Hayes
 

WESTERFIELD KIT 6001.


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pacific Fruit Express Reefer 46701, PFE class R-40-20

Tony Thompson
 

Lester Breuer wrote:

I have upgraded Pacific Fruit Express (PFE), Refrigerator Car 46701 , PFE Class R-40-20 . . .  If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/


  Nice job, Lester, and nicely described as to the various steps in "correcting" the InterMountain foobie. They have released a single-herald R-40-23 a couple of times, and I guess I am done "alerting" them to the error. And of course I was delighted that you had consulted the PROPER prototype references <g>.
    Lester's work makes a nicer car than the R-40-20 that I kitbashed from an Athearn body I wrote a series of blog posts about that conversion and an accompanying R-40-14 project. I provide a link below to the final post in that series if you're interested.


Tony Thompson




Uploaded file on Lowering Intermountain boxcars

Richard Remiarz
 

My posts on lowering Intermountain boxcars generated a number comments.  Jim Brewer was kind enough to combine all of the emails into one document so that it could be posted in the files section.  I made a coupe of updates to the document and posted it in the files section.  It is titled Lowering Intermountain Truck Bolsters.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

 

 

 

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