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Re: Search STMFC question
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Al and Friends, Richard's had two articles on the 50' SS boxcars in the July 1995 RMJ. The first article covered the prototypes, and a second was on upgrading MDC cars. He followed this up with another pair of prototype and model articles in the July 1996 RMJ. Going a bit farther back, Richard Burg had three articles on prototype 50' SS auto and boxcars. I have parts two and three, which ran in the October and November 1989 RMJ. An unattributed addendum to Richard's series gives a list of the prototypes in the November 1989 RMJ. You can find all these RMJ articles on the Trainlife Magazine Library in PDF format. And let's not forget Ted Culotta's "Essential Freight Cars: 41" from RMC. I don't have the date for this one, as I clipped it off the bottom of my scans. In Ted's list of available models, he mainly lists resin kits, but also includes the MDC cars. He does not mention Walthers' cars at all. I don't have the correspondence from the old USENET group, but IIRC, the general feeling that the Walthers car was pretty much a complete kludge. I think that scared almost everybody away in favor of the more accurate MDC cars, which might explain why there weren't any articles on upgrading the Walthers offering. I bought one as soon as they came out and thought it was a nice car, then the comments came. Mine went up for sale when I cleaned house of my Athearn and similar cars. I just checked my parts box, and discovered I have two of the A-ends from these cars (you had a choice of a 3-3-3 Dreadnaught end or the end door, with the B-end being part of the main casting), so I must have bought two and installed the end doors. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 11:43 AM al_brown03 <abrown@...> wrote: As Fenton suggests, I've done the IC 50' SS DD box from the Walthers car. Richard Hendrickson surveyed prototypes years ago, I want to say in RMJ.
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IC 50' double door single sheathed box car
Andy Carlson
Hi Al- Based on your mentioning of IC 50'ers, I went to Fallen Flag and found a 1968 shot of IC 34730, a 4 + 5 panel double door SS car. This car had 5-5-7 Murphy corrugated ends, a lower side sill fish belly attachment and similar Howe truss configuration. My board counts show + or - one wood board. The upper side sill on the IC car seems a bit taller than the Walthers side, but the diagonal braces on each end look close to exact. Hard to determine the IC roof. Door and half Wood doors lasting to the late 1960s. That may make the side panels a bit wider in dimension compared to the true double door Walthers car. All-in-all, I would say interesting! Thanks, -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
On Wednesday, November 25, 2020, 8:43:48 AM PST, al_brown03 <abrown@...> wrote:
As Fenton suggests, I've done the IC 50' SS DD box from the Walthers car. Richard Hendrickson surveyed prototypes years ago, I want to say in RMJ. Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla. _._,_._,_
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Re: K4 Decals
brianleppert@att.net
Those trucks are made by Tangent Scale Models.
Brian Leppert Tahoe Model Works Carson City, NV
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Re: Search STMFC question
Well done Steve, interesting bash. Fenton
On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 11:30 AM Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:
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Re: Search STMFC question
al_brown03
As Fenton suggests, I've done the IC 50' SS DD box from the Walthers car. Richard Hendrickson surveyed prototypes years ago, I want to say in RMJ.
Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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Re: Search STMFC question
Schuyler Larrabee
Nice looking cars, Steve. Who looks at roofs (from ground level) anyway? 😊
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 11:30 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Search STMFC question
Many years ago I did shorten the Walthers 50 foot car to 40 feet as part of pair of Wabash 40 footers. In the attached photo, the Walthers end doors went on to one of the old F&C kits on the left in the photo. The Walthers car was shortened by removing a panel section on either side. I am happy with the overall result, but there is a bit of funkiness to the roof rib spacing. (I wasn’t into replacing roofs in those days.)
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
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Re: Search STMFC question
Many years ago I did shorten the Walthers 50 foot car to 40 feet as part of pair of Wabash 40 footers. In the attached photo, the Walthers end doors went on to one of the old F&C kits on the left in the photo. The Walthers car was shortened by removing a panel section on either side. I am happy with the overall result, but there is a bit of funkiness to the roof rib spacing. (I wasn’t into replacing roofs in those days.)
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 9:46 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Search STMFC question
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File /Lowering Intermountain Truck Bolsters.doc uploaded
#file-notice
Andy Carlson
Yes, Tim, but the Intermountain house cars ride too high on THEIR own trucks. This has been known for a long time. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
On Wednesday, November 25, 2020, 7:55:43 AM PST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
I've been scratching my head kind of wondering what this discussion was all about... but looking at your document it seems to me that part of the issue is the trucks themselves.Truck bolsters made to fit one style of underframe may not have the correct height for another style of underframe. I always have to fuss with height when I'm using Kadee trucks, for example, on a non-Kadee model. On 11/24/2020 6:59 PM, main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Notification wrote: The following files have been uploaded to the Files area of the main@RealSTMFC.groups.io group. By: Richard Remiarz Description: -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: File /Lowering Intermountain Truck Bolsters.doc uploaded
#file-notice
I've been scratching my head kind of wondering what this discussion was all about... but looking at your document it seems to me that part of the issue is the trucks themselves.Truck bolsters made to fit one style of underframe may not have the correct height for another style of underframe. I always have to fuss with height when I'm using Kadee trucks, for example, on a non-Kadee model.
On 11/24/2020 6:59 PM, main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Notification
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Re: Search STMFC question
Schuyler Larrabee
I only know Leo from phone contact, but he said to me that project results in a “nearly exact” model of an EL box car. Very clever work and extremely well done. IF he had a computer, he’d be a worthy member of RealSTMFC.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 10:46 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Search STMFC question
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The Walthers car is a 'peaked' roof car while the mDC cars are radial roof cars. Not sure if the Walthers car has a prototype but it might be a starting point for the IC 50 ft OB car. Fenton
On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 10:46 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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Re: Search STMFC question
I friend - Leo Landry - figured out to make a number of cuts into the cars to shorten them to 40 feet. His looked fine to me but I don't know if there was an exact prototype to match. But it may be worth looking into.
On 11/24/2020 11:08 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
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Re: K4 Decals
Chuck Cover
Thanks for the kind words John. I am not sure whose trucks are on the NC&StL boxcar. I have a supply of different trucks that I look through with each build and try to match what I see for the prototype.
Years ago, I also had a box of Kilgore trucks. They were great and very smooth and free rolling.
Chuck Cover Santa Fe, NM
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Re: K4 Decals
golden1014
Hi Chuck, are those Kilgore trucks??? I used to have a whole bunch of them back in the 1980s. Great model--one of a kind.
John Golden
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Re: GN 1948 Box Cars
golden1014
Thank you Steffan for the photo and everyone else for your replies. The photo is perfect--it's the right view from the right era. I see the difference now in the kit-supplied end vs. the proto-photo. I owe you one! John Golden
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Re: Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Hi Schuyler, Its a great example of why the Fowler Patent used on the first 9,000 or so Dominion Cars fell from favor so fast. If the car builder used good seasoned and kiln dried lumber for sheathing and then properly painted it there was very little shrinkage making some cars, like this No. Pac. car, look as though they might have steel sheathing when they didn't. I'll never understand how the Fowler Patent got as far as it did unless some railroad purchasing agent bought into the idea without checking with anyone in his own car shop. Anyone who had worked for any length of time with wood would have known better. My best, Don Valentine
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Re: Photos: "New Roof" Stencil (1945-1946)
Larry Wolohon
Those boxcars are D&RGW, 3' gauge cars, which were rebuilt many times. Larry Wolohon
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ADMIN: Search STMFC question
Aley, Jeff A
Hi Andy,
Good question – and probably one that other people also have.
Step 1. Go to the groups.io page for RealSTMFC. It is at https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/topics . Step 2. Make sure you’re logged in. In the upper right corner, you should see your name. If you do see your name, you’re logged in; if you don’t see your name, I think you’ll see some kind of login button. Step 3. Find the Search button. Make sure you’ve selected “Messages” at the left, and then you should be able to Search.
See the attached picture for details.
Regards,
-Jeff Aley Deputy Moderator, RealSTMFC
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Andy Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 8:09 PM To: STMFC E-List <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] Search STMFC question
Hi-
I am reminded often that we can search for previous STMFC,io posts on subjects of our interest. Tonight I tried to find a search engine on the STMFC.io home page. I could not find one.
I admit to be at near the bottom of the curve when it comes to computer savvy skills. My search was inspired this week with a short thread about scale board groove gaps for model train single sheathed freight cars. I seem to recall that both the MDC and Walthers products of 50' single sheathed auto box cars came out originally close to the same time. I also seem to remember that Richard Hendrickson mentioned the prototype for the Walthers car was thought to be non existent.
Is the Walthers car close to any North American prototype? I admire the boards on the Walthers cars and feel them to be nicely done with the groove exagerations held in check. In particular, is there any chance for an easy kit bash into something real?
Any help here is appreciated, Stay safe, friends! -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
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Re: Search STMFC question
WILLIAM PARDIE
Oooops! Sorry: Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> Date: 11/24/20 7:04 PM (GMT-10:00) To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Search STMFC question Hi Again Andy: . hile you are searching could you please forward a copy of the Great Northern box xar I n question? When I got home and went to compare the ends the photo had escaped my computer. Thanks: Bill Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> Date: 11/24/20 6:08 PM (GMT-10:00) To: STMFC E-List <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] Search STMFC question Hi- I am reminded often that we can search for previous STMFC,io posts on subjects of our interest. Tonight I tried to find a search engine on the STMFC.io home page. I could not find one. I admit to be at near the bottom of the curve when it comes to computer savvy skills. My search was inspired this week with a short thread about scale board groove gaps for model train single sheathed freight cars. I seem to recall that both the MDC and Walthers products of 50' single sheathed auto box cars came out originally close to the same time. I also seem to remember that Richard Hendrickson mentioned the prototype for the Walthers car was thought to be non existent. Is the Walthers car close to any North American prototype? I admire the boards on the Walthers cars and feel them to be nicely done with the groove exagerations held in check. In particular, is there any chance for an easy kit bash into something real? Any help here is appreciated, Stay safe, friends! -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
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Re: Search STMFC question
WILLIAM PARDIE
Hi Again Andy: . hile you are searching could you please forward a copy of the Great Northern box xar I n question? When I got home and went to compare the ends the photo had escaped my computer. Thanks: Bill Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> Date: 11/24/20 6:08 PM (GMT-10:00) To: STMFC E-List <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] Search STMFC question Hi- I am reminded often that we can search for previous STMFC,io posts on subjects of our interest. Tonight I tried to find a search engine on the STMFC.io home page. I could not find one. I admit to be at near the bottom of the curve when it comes to computer savvy skills. My search was inspired this week with a short thread about scale board groove gaps for model train single sheathed freight cars. I seem to recall that both the MDC and Walthers products of 50' single sheathed auto box cars came out originally close to the same time. I also seem to remember that Richard Hendrickson mentioned the prototype for the Walthers car was thought to be non existent. Is the Walthers car close to any North American prototype? I admire the boards on the Walthers cars and feel them to be nicely done with the groove exagerations held in check. In particular, is there any chance for an easy kit bash into something real? Any help here is appreciated, Stay safe, friends! -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
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