Re: C&I Hopper
Eric Hansmann
Those C&I hoppers have been travelling for years. Here’s one in an Andover, MA, wreck, circa 1929. https://www.digitalcommonwealth.org/search/commonwealth:6682x954j
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 5:42 PM To: RealSTMFC@groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] C&I Hopper
Friends,
While rambling through my collection, I came upon this view of Cambria & Indiana hopper 1888. Oddly, this was taken in Charlottesville, Virginia, on the C&O (well, really CSX by then), probably in late 1984. What a car from a 35-mile Pennsylvania shortline was doing in a C&O train is beyond me.
In those days, the former C&O Mountain Division saw many trains each way. Trains stopped on the west side of town before moving into the small yard. This happened to be right behind the computer store where I worked, so I often got a good view of cars, though few photos.
This car series is not listed in my October 1958 ORER, so I suspect it was a second-hand purchase, possibly beyond our era of interest, though the car itself certainly dates to our period.
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff
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Re: A list of square corner '37 AAR box cars
mel perry
hi: don't forget PFE'S R40-10 class :-)
On Sat, Nov 28, 2020, 8:39 AM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
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A list of square corner '37 AAR box cars
Andy Carlson
Hello folks- 1936 to 1940 were the years that large numbers of square corner Drednaught end equipped '37 AAR box cars were built. As can be seen in the list below of these square corner end cars, there were many 10s of thousands of them built in both Canada and the US. This list is from data in the recently released volume on 1937 AAR box cars by Pat Wider, continuing the fine series of Railroad Prototype Cyclopedias. Square corner end '37 AAR rosters by RR: ATSF 136000-136499; 136500-137999; 138000-138499; B&O 384000-384499 C&EI 64000-64499 C&O 4000-4499; 4500-4999; 5000-5399; 5400-5499 CN had 1000s CP had 1000s ERIE 78000-78499 ITC 6000-6099 KCS 14000-14199; 17000-17499; 17450-17749 NKP 15000-15499; 15500-15999 ONT 90000-90499; 90500-90999 RDG 103000-103299 SL-SF 140000-140038 SOO 136000-136198 even #s SRR 10000-12022; 12023-13042; 13043-13063; 13064-14395; 260500-26099; 261000-262036; 306000-307021 SP 32770-33269; 33270-33519; 335200-34019; 34020-34519; 37840-38089; 38090-38339; 38340-38589; 38590-38839 T&P 1700-1724; 3900-3919; 40000-40499; 40500-40999 UP 182812-18399; 184000-185899 WP 20001- 20200 These were 9'6" IH. The RPC #35's roster data pages gives much detail, such as roof,brake and other details. Anyone viewing this post with questions about a particular Rail Road's details, PM me and I will answer those questions. I would encourage a purchase of the book, as it is a very well researched and detailed offering. Southern, Union Pacific, Santa Fe, both Canadian transcons and the Southern Pacific were huge purchasers of this car design. Wish everyone a safe and very well day. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
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New Release: Tangent Scale Models GATC 8,000 Gallon Insulated 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car
Tangent Scale Models
New release for Small Business Saturday: our next production of General American 8,000 Gallon Insulated 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Cars.
By the end of World War I, U.S. production of oil and oil-related products was sharply increasing thanks to the combination of war-related demands as well as demands from home. In order to move oil and “new” consumer products, tank car producers introduced new car designs. In 1917 General American Tank Car introduced a new general service 8,000 gallon non-insulated tank car, and quickly followed that production with an insulated 8,000 gallon tank car, which utilized a “jacket” that surrounded the tank and dome. Built in East Chicago, IN, these insulated cars were easily identifiable by their circumferential rivets that surrounded the tank body, with notably different heights between the courses, and with their “recessed ends”. These “radial course” tank cars utilized steel bolster plates that rise up vertically to hold the tank in place, complete with a “web” section behind to minimize steel consumption. At a time of fairly monochromatic box cars plying the rails, these insulated tank cars carried consumable products, and they were typically stenciled for lessees advertising consumer products such as gasoline, wine, and corn products. The GATC 1917-design family were the most prolific tank cars built during this period and were found everywhere from 1917 to roughly 1970.
The Tangent Scale Models GATC 1917-Design 8,000 Gallon Insulated Tank Car is a highly-detailed tank car model that includes details accurate for each paint scheme, including KC- or AB-brake variations, with or without Cardwell draft sill springs, and different hand brakes. Other visually-distinctive details for our models include the “see through” bolster section, circumferential rivets, and differing course heights. Our RTR models include correct “true-to-life” colors and “hyper-accurate” lettering including exact fonts and lettering placement. Finally, our scale replicas operate as well as they look, equipped with free-rolling all-metal wheels and Kadee® scale couplers, meaning our models are truly ready to run.
For steam and transition-era modelers, these replicas will certainly be eye-catchers on your layout! Check out the radial courses – they look like nothing else in HO! Our new ready to operate replicas are in stock and available for sale at www.tangentscalemodels.com. That’s right, no preorders!
Our November 2020 release includes the following two paint schemes, plus two undecorated model options:
- NTCX "1922+ Lease" is our offering for “pre-depression” and “pre-diesel” modelers out there who have been requesting “plain” tank cars! We have listened. NTCX are the reporting marks for National Tank Car Company, who operated a fleet of 8,000 and 10,000 gallon tank cars. Their insulated tank car fleet represented more than 30% of their total tank car fleet, which was large percentage-wise. This model is offered in the “plain leaser” NTCX scheme from 1922 and was stenciled from an actual photo (see our website). These NTCX cars were nationwide roamers and were likely used for viscous oil products. Our National Tank Car Company 1922+ cars come with era-correct K-brakes and are available in three road numbers. Because each real tank car was formed by hand and had individual gallon notations stenciled on each end of the car, all three of our models have the correct gallons stenciled on each end. Yup, we did the research, so you don’t have to!
- ANPX "Anchor Petroleum Company, Tulsa OKLA. 1948+" is available for US modelers that are looking to bolster their fleet of “refined product” tank cars. These insulated tank cars were likely used to haul refined oil products such as gasoline. This car is stenciled like the prototype photo on our website, representing the car as it appeared in 1948. We offer these neat tank cars in gray paint and black stenciling on the tank body. The cars are offered with six road numbers, and because each real tank car was formed by hand and had individual gallon notations stenciled on each end of the car, all six of our models have the correct gallons stenciled on each end.
- Undecorated RTR Black cars are ready for decaling! This production includes RTR cars with the AB brake system. Our last production included cars with the K-brake system.
- Undecorated Unpainted Kits are available as well. When folks claim that “no one” makes kits anymore, well, here they are. These are ready for building or kitbashing, and painting / decaling. Great for those who desire to build their own. This run of kits come with parts for either an AB- or a K-brake configuration. Instructions for our kits are located on our website under “Other Stuff.”
Features for these awesome replicas include: - Circumferential riveted tank body and riveted underframe (count ‘em, there are many!) - Radial course tank body – note the “stairstep” appearance! - All-new underframe for the GATC 1917-design - “See-through” cast knee above the bolsters - Accurate dome appliances - Dimensionally-correct hazardous placards with accurate hole detail - Separately applied tank handrail - Separately applied tank strap detail - KC- or AB- brake variations depending on the prototype car - Inclusion of Cardwell draft sill springs depending on the prototype car, otherwise “oval” frame openings where the springs were removed - Different hand brake appliance options depending on the prototype car - Highly correct “true to life” colors - “Hyper-Accurate” lettering including exact fonts and lettering placement, including lettering applied to the underframe and air reservoir - Durable wire grab irons and coupler lift bars - Separate air hoses - “Near-scale” draft gear box with side detail - Kadee® “scale-head” couplers - CNC-machined 33” wheels in high-quality Tangent Scale Models ASF cast steel truck with spring plank and with separate brake beams - Replacement semi-scale wheels available separately from Tangent - Multiple road numbers for each scheme - these cars often traveled in "groups" of more than one - Recommended age 14 years and older
Don’t miss out on the Tangent Scale Models General American 8,000 gallon 1917-design radial course tank car! Just like its prototype, this car will stand out on any layout situated from 1917 to 1970, and they went everywhere!
Pricing for RTR models is $44.95. High-resolution images showing these fine replicas are available at www.tangentscalemodels.com and our site also includes prototype images for your reference as well.
That wraps up our update for today, and thank you for supporting the family-owned businesses in our industry!
David Lehlbach Tangent Scale Models
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Re: C&I Hopper
charlie9
This car is obviously in a train of mixed freight. When I worked on the Big Four at Harrisburg Il. we had an ocean of NYC hoppers. There was one little L&N car that showed up between the same two NYC cars from time to time. Somehow it got caught up in coal train service on our line and nobody ever make the effort to throw it out and send it home.
The point I want to make is that regardless of your era, a foreign car or two would not really be out of place and would give you an excuse to model something different. Charlie
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Re: Photos: North American Cyanamid Tanks Cars
charlie9
The car in the first photo looks like it has an "Athearn" platform around the dome.
Charlie
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Re: Pacific Fruit Express Data Boxes
William Reed
Not sure if this was answered or not but it looks like repack dates for the journals. Don't know if the upper and lower box had separate significance or not. I can barely make out the wording on one of your photos and it appears to say RPKD which would stand
for "Repacked". This was usually accompanied by a date and location of where that service took place. Hope this helps.
William
aka drgwk37
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Carson via groups.io <PrewarUPModeler@...>
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 11:19 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] Pacific Fruit Express Data Boxes Hey everyone, I looked at photos of various PFE reefers from the mid 1930s and onward which contain these boxes with lettering in them. What information is put into these boxes and why do they change from the upper box to the lower box? I unfortunately don't have the Pacific Fruit Express Second Edition book which would answer my question which is why I asked. Thanks, Ray
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Pacific Fruit Express Data Boxes
Hey everyone, I looked at photos of various PFE reefers from the mid 1930s and onward which contain these boxes with lettering in them. What information is put into these boxes and why do they change from the upper box to the lower box? I unfortunately don't have the Pacific Fruit Express Second Edition book which would answer my question which is why I asked. Thanks, Ray
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Re: File /Lowering Intermountain Truck Bolsters.doc uploaded
#file-notice
Richard Remiarz
Andrew,
It adds more problems. The molded center sill and bolsters on the IMWX/Red Caboose underframe are much thinner (~ 0.050") than on the Intermountain cars. The lower 0.045" of the center sill and bolsters is molded on the bottom of the floor on the IMWX/Red
Caboose cars (see attached photo). Using this underframe on an Intermountain car requires shimming the underframe 0.045". I learned this the hard way when I tried to use an IMWX/Red Caboose on a riveted PS-1 kitbash using an Intermountain 10' 6" boxcar.
Sincerely,
Rich Remiarz
Vadnais Heights, MN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Andrew Jeanes <yahoo@...>
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 4:21 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] File /Lowering Intermountain Truck Bolsters.doc uploaded #file-notice Assuming one had a spare IMWX/Red Caboose underframe available, would it be more straightforward to swap it under the Intermountain carbody, or would that add new problems?
Regards, Andrew Jeanes Kingston, ON
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Re: Photos: Tank Cars - American Cyanamid Co. (Undated)
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
Bob, These tank cars are actually early covered hoppers for carrying dry bulk chemicals. Note the discharge gates along the side. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 2:23 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
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C&I Hopper
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
Friends, While rambling through my collection, I came upon this view of Cambria & Indiana hopper 1888. Oddly, this was taken in Charlottesville, Virginia, on the C&O (well, really CSX by then), probably in late 1984. What a car from a 35-mile Pennsylvania shortline was doing in a C&O train is beyond me. In those days, the former C&O Mountain Division saw many trains each way. Trains stopped on the west side of town before moving into the small yard. This happened to be right behind the computer store where I worked, so I often got a good view of cars, though few photos. This car series is not listed in my October 1958 ORER, so I suspect it was a second-hand purchase, possibly beyond our era of interest, though the car itself certainly dates to our period. Yours Aye, Garth Groff
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Re: RPC #35
mel perry
On Fri, Nov 27, 2020, 3:29 PM George Corral <aileron44@...> wrote: Gary Bechdol wrote:
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Re: RPC #35
Gary Bechdol wrote:
"Can someone provide me the contact information for the PUBLISHER of Railway Prototype Cyclopedia No. 35?" Try Ted Schnepf at Rails Unlimited - railsunl@... 126 Will Scarlet Elgin, IL 60120-9524 Price:$65.00 George Corral
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Re: The Freight Goes Through
Robert kirkham
I just wish it had higher definition. Wondering if the original was copied to a digital file at higher quality than is on the Youtube site.
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Rob
On Nov 27, 2020, at 12:17 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote: Take a look at what happens to a boxcar's roof during a switching impact. The scene is at 10:02 in the film. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: File /Lowering Intermountain Truck Bolsters.doc uploaded
#file-notice
Andrew Jeanes
Assuming one had a spare IMWX/Red Caboose underframe available, would it be more straightforward to swap it under the Intermountain carbody, or would that add new problems?
Regards, Andrew Jeanes Kingston, ON
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Re: RPC #35
Gary Bechdol
The publisher's name and address should be on the first or second page. Gary
On Fri, Nov 27, 2020, 4:39 PM WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:
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Re: RPC #35
mel perry
gary; call ron's books or des plaines hobbies for the publisher ;-)
On Fri, Nov 27, 2020, 12:42 PM Gary Bechdol <garyeb1947@...> wrote:
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Re: RPC #35
WILLIAM PARDIE
Mine came from Ron's Books. Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> Date: 11/27/20 10:46 AM (GMT-10:00) To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] RPC #35 You didn't want the chinese version???? Let me see if I can find the people that I bought the last one from Fenton On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 3:42 PM Gary Bechdol <garyeb1947@...> wrote:
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Re: RPC #35
Allan Smith
Try Ron's Books PO Box 714 Harrison NY 10528-0714 ronsbooks@... 914-967-7541 https:ronsbooks.com Al Smith Sonora CA
On Friday, November 27, 2020, 12:49:27 PM PST, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
Gary try Ron's books in NY On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 3:46 PM O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
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Re: RPC #35
Gary try Ron's books in NY
On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 3:46 PM O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
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