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Re: Pacific Fruit Express Data Boxes

Bob Chaparro
 

On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 08:19 PM, Ray Carson wrote:
I looked at photos of various PFE reefers from the mid 1930s and onward which contain these boxes with lettering in them. What information is put into these boxes and why do they change from the upper box to the lower box?
When did PFE cease this practice? I've seen one PFE ice bunker reefer with this stenciling into the era of the U-1 yellow dot/white dot inspection stencil, which began in 1978.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: New Release: Tangent Scale Models GATC 8,000 Gallon Insulated 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

Dave Parker
 

I sort of agree with Steve here, and sort of don't.  Focusing on the ICC regs (and ARA car classes) that bracket the presumptive build date (1922) of these NTCX TMI cars, I would offer the following:

1.  Not all TMI cars were Class IV (ICC 104) cars; there were insulated Class III/ICC 103 cars as well.  I have not discerned any way to tell them apart unless the photo is sharp enough to be able to read the ARA/ICC car class in the stencil to the right of center on the car side.

2.  Regardless of car class, a great many insulated cars also had steam heater coils, suggesting that at least their primary purpose was hauling viscous commodities rather than highly volatile inflammables.

3.  Also regardless of class, TMI cars were not that numerous, at least in the 1920s.  In my 1930 ORER, TMI cars comprise <3% of the UTLX fleet, and about 5% of the Sinclair fleet.

4. In the 1920 ARA tank cars specs, the only example commodity mentioned in connection with the Class IV cars is casinghead gasoline.  Note that Class 5 cars were also coming on-line at this time for specific (and dangerous) cargoes such as liquid chlorine and sulfur dioxide.  Later on, ethyl chloride starts to appears as a commodity mentioned in the context of Class IV cars.

5.  By 1923, the ICC had very detailed specifications for calculating the needed "outage" for volatile inflammables, including methanol, ethanol, acetone, and gasoline/naptha (the last broken down by density using the API scale).  These could all be carried in Class III/ICC 103 cars as long as sufficient headspace was provided to allow for expansion. That outage volume depended on the loading temperature and the coefficient of expansion of the particular commodity.

6.  That expansion volume might be provided by the dome alone but, if inadequate, the shell had to be filled less than level full.  Each car design had an outage table that showed how much additional head space was gained for each inch below level-full.

7.  For convenience, many owners started buying cars with domes greater than the 2.0% required for all Class III cars and, in my experience, domes right at 2% are more the exception than the rule.  Cars built in 1920s routinely had dome volumes of 2.3 to 3.0%, and 3.5+% cars are easy to find.

Bottom line:  the use of Class IV cars, while certainly permissible, wasn't necessary for routine hauling of refined gasoline, regardless of season (ANAICT).  It might have been more common with particularly "light" blends or components because of their greater volatility, but that's a guess.  

PS:  The primary difference between the Class III and IV cars that jumps out at me is the required pressure test for the tank:  60 psi for Class III versus 75 for Class IV.  The safety valves were to be set at the same 25 +/- 3 psi.

That's my take with my 1920s perspective -- other viewpoints and information are of course welcome.

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: A list of square corner '37 AAR box cars

Rich C
 

True, but I won't tell anyone, lol. The 3 foot rule applies
Rich Christie

On Saturday, November 28, 2020, 06:33:15 PM CST, Tim via groups.io <atoolman2@...> wrote:


The Illinois Central IH was 10’4”. 



On Nov 28, 2020, at 4:41 PM, Rich C via groups.io <rhcdmc@...> wrote:


Sunshine and later  Resin Car Works made mini-kits to use with the Intermountain Modified Height car, for those roads. Of course they have been sold out. Chad Boas and Pierre Oliver (Yarmouth Model Works) offer the square corner 5/5's

Rich Christie

On Saturday, November 28, 2020, 03:05:43 PM CST, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Aw, Tim. You tantalized us. 

The three known 10' 6" S-corner 40' all-steel boxcar owners were DSS&A, IC, and Soo.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 11:53 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

And there were 3 who bought S-cornered "modified 1937" AAR box cars as well... the ancient Athearn blue box car. :-)


On 11/28/2020 11:39 AM, Andy Carlson wrote:

Hello folks-
1936 to 1940 were the years that large numbers of square corner Drednaught end equipped '37 AAR box cars were built. As can be seen in the list below of these square corner end cars, there were many 10s of thousands of them built in both Canada and the US.

This list is from data in the recently released volume on 1937 AAR box cars by Pat Wider, continuing the fine series of Railroad Prototype Cyclopedias.

Square corner end '37 AAR rosters by RR:

ATSF 136000-136499; 136500-137999; 138000-138499;
B&O 384000-384499
C&EI 64000-64499
C&O 4000-4499; 4500-4999; 5000-5399; 5400-5499
CN had 1000s
CP had 1000s
ERIE 78000-78499
ITC 6000-6099
KCS 14000-14199; 17000-17499; 17450-17749
NKP 15000-15499; 15500-15999
ONT 90000-90499; 90500-90999
RDG 103000-103299
SL-SF 140000-140038
SOO 136000-136198 even #s
SRR 10000-12022; 12023-13042; 13043-13063; 13064-14395; 260500-26099; 261000-262036; 306000-307021
SP 32770-33269; 33270-33519; 335200-34019; 34020-34519; 37840-38089; 38090-38339; 38340-38589; 38590-38839
T&P 1700-1724; 3900-3919; 40000-40499; 40500-40999
UP 182812-18399; 184000-185899
WP 20001- 20200 These were 9'6" IH.

The RPC #35's roster data pages gives much detail, such as roof,brake and other details. Anyone viewing this post with questions about a particular Rail Road's details, PM me and I will answer those questions. I would encourage a purchase of the book, as it is a very well researched and detailed offering.

Southern, Union Pacific, Santa Fe, both Canadian transcons and the Southern Pacific were huge purchasers of this car design.

Wish everyone a safe and very well day.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: A list of square corner '37 AAR box cars

Tim
 

The Illinois Central IH was 10’4”. 



On Nov 28, 2020, at 4:41 PM, Rich C via groups.io <rhcdmc@...> wrote:


Sunshine and later  Resin Car Works made mini-kits to use with the Intermountain Modified Height car, for those roads. Of course they have been sold out. Chad Boas and Pierre Oliver (Yarmouth Model Works) offer the square corner 5/5's

Rich Christie

On Saturday, November 28, 2020, 03:05:43 PM CST, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Aw, Tim. You tantalized us. 

The three known 10' 6" S-corner 40' all-steel boxcar owners were DSS&A, IC, and Soo.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 11:53 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

And there were 3 who bought S-cornered "modified 1937" AAR box cars as well... the ancient Athearn blue box car. :-)


On 11/28/2020 11:39 AM, Andy Carlson wrote:

Hello folks-
1936 to 1940 were the years that large numbers of square corner Drednaught end equipped '37 AAR box cars were built. As can be seen in the list below of these square corner end cars, there were many 10s of thousands of them built in both Canada and the US.

This list is from data in the recently released volume on 1937 AAR box cars by Pat Wider, continuing the fine series of Railroad Prototype Cyclopedias.

Square corner end '37 AAR rosters by RR:

ATSF 136000-136499; 136500-137999; 138000-138499;
B&O 384000-384499
C&EI 64000-64499
C&O 4000-4499; 4500-4999; 5000-5399; 5400-5499
CN had 1000s
CP had 1000s
ERIE 78000-78499
ITC 6000-6099
KCS 14000-14199; 17000-17499; 17450-17749
NKP 15000-15499; 15500-15999
ONT 90000-90499; 90500-90999
RDG 103000-103299
SL-SF 140000-140038
SOO 136000-136198 even #s
SRR 10000-12022; 12023-13042; 13043-13063; 13064-14395; 260500-26099; 261000-262036; 306000-307021
SP 32770-33269; 33270-33519; 335200-34019; 34020-34519; 37840-38089; 38090-38339; 38340-38589; 38590-38839
T&P 1700-1724; 3900-3919; 40000-40499; 40500-40999
UP 182812-18399; 184000-185899
WP 20001- 20200 These were 9'6" IH.

The RPC #35's roster data pages gives much detail, such as roof,brake and other details. Anyone viewing this post with questions about a particular Rail Road's details, PM me and I will answer those questions. I would encourage a purchase of the book, as it is a very well researched and detailed offering.

Southern, Union Pacific, Santa Fe, both Canadian transcons and the Southern Pacific were huge purchasers of this car design.

Wish everyone a safe and very well day.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


New Release: Tangent Scale Models GATC 8,000 Gallon Insulated 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

Andy Carlson
 

Natural gasoline and natural gas (Methane, Propane & Butane aka LPG) are not the same. LPG is liquid only when under high pressure. Natural gasoline, which mention started earlier in this thread, also called casing gas, well head gas, is a liquid at room temp and a by-product of pumping of oil well extraction. The Signal Hill oil field in Long Beach, CA seemed to have a lot of this liquid gas and a smart thinking individual saw the potential to make a good living. I don't suppose that the tank car movements of well head gasoline (natural gasoline) really amounted to that much volume to be of consequence. Non refined gasoline in my mind was not a big source of RR traffic. I love corrections when I am wrong....

The Signal Oil company quick success required more of the limited natural gasoline than which was available and had to go to refined gasoline products to feed its network of service stations.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

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On Saturday, November 28, 2020, 3:13:25 PM PST, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:



Natural gasoline or liquefied petroleum gas became a significant market dominated by the Warren company as an octane booster in refined gasoline.  (A bit more on that next Saturday in the Hindsight – shameless plug.)

 

Steve Hile

 




Re: Car ID just for fun

wdzwonchyk
 


I got "Error establishing a data bade connection"


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sat, Nov 28, 2020 06:51 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Car ID just for fun


Ed,

I just got in with no problem using this URL: https://www.trainlife.com/pages/the-magazine-library .

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 6:24 PM Ed Shoben <ejshoben@...> wrote:
I too found trainlife’s magazine section down. -Ed





Re: Car ID just for fun

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Ed,

I just got in with no problem using this URL: https://www.trainlife.com/pages/the-magazine-library .

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 6:24 PM Ed Shoben <ejshoben@...> wrote:
I too found trainlife’s magazine section down. -Ed





Re: Sal G10 gons

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Gary and Brian,

It was January 2012, V. 5, No. 1.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 5:21 PM Gary Bechdol <garyeb1947@...> wrote:
Brian:

Seaboard Coast Line Modeler had an article on building these cars several years ago, but I don't remember the issue number.  Check with the ACL SAL HS. They may be able to point you in the right direction. 

Gary Bechdol 
Stone Mountain, Ga 

On Sat, Nov 28, 2020, 4:13 PM Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I picked up a Southbound Modelworks Seaboard low side gon recently, former Wrighttrak I believe.  There are a few pics in the instructions but they are small. Looking for more information on the G10 prototype and especially underbody information. Did the ACL/sal modeler ezine cover these cars? I know Bob’s photos has a few photos but who knows when I’ll see Bob again.

Brian J. Carlson






Re: Car ID just for fun

Ed Shoben
 

I too found trainlife’s magazine section down. -Ed


Re: New Release: Tangent Scale Models GATC 8,000 Gallon Insulated 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

Steve and Barb Hile
 

You are both somewhat correct.  When refined gasoline was shipped in regular tank cars, especially in the summer months, there was a significant pressure build up possible that, in the event of a leak, could result in a big explosion.  Several of these disasters occurred in the 19 teens resulting in the creation of Class IV (later 104) for highly volatile cargos with a significant risk of danger if not handled properly.  This includes both refined and natural gasoline products.

 

Natural gasoline or liquefied petroleum gas became a significant market dominated by the Warren company as an octane booster in refined gasoline.  (A bit more on that next Saturday in the Hindsight – shameless plug.)

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 12:05 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Release: Tangent Scale Models GATC 8,000 Gallon Insulated 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

 

Jeff

I think at that time they produced "NATURAL GASOLINE" - this was the highly volatile stuff that came
straight out of the ground. I'm guessing that insulated cars may have had less chance of volatiles leaking out?
Would such a car would be an ICC 104, instead of an insulated ICC 103?




On 11/28/2020 1:00 PM, Aley, Jeff A wrote:

These look really nice – as we’ve come to expect from Tangent.

 

My one question – why would gasoline require an insulated car?  Is the idea to prevent the vapor pressure from building up in the summertime?  One obviously (?) doesn’t need to ship gasoline in an insulated car in the winter.

 

Thanks,

 

-Jeff

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: A list of square corner '37 AAR box cars

Rich C
 

Sunshine and later  Resin Car Works made mini-kits to use with the Intermountain Modified Height car, for those roads. Of course they have been sold out. Chad Boas and Pierre Oliver (Yarmouth Model Works) offer the square corner 5/5's

Rich Christie

On Saturday, November 28, 2020, 03:05:43 PM CST, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Aw, Tim. You tantalized us. 

The three known 10' 6" S-corner 40' all-steel boxcar owners were DSS&A, IC, and Soo.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 11:53 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

And there were 3 who bought S-cornered "modified 1937" AAR box cars as well... the ancient Athearn blue box car. :-)


On 11/28/2020 11:39 AM, Andy Carlson wrote:

Hello folks-
1936 to 1940 were the years that large numbers of square corner Drednaught end equipped '37 AAR box cars were built. As can be seen in the list below of these square corner end cars, there were many 10s of thousands of them built in both Canada and the US.

This list is from data in the recently released volume on 1937 AAR box cars by Pat Wider, continuing the fine series of Railroad Prototype Cyclopedias.

Square corner end '37 AAR rosters by RR:

ATSF 136000-136499; 136500-137999; 138000-138499;
B&O 384000-384499
C&EI 64000-64499
C&O 4000-4499; 4500-4999; 5000-5399; 5400-5499
CN had 1000s
CP had 1000s
ERIE 78000-78499
ITC 6000-6099
KCS 14000-14199; 17000-17499; 17450-17749
NKP 15000-15499; 15500-15999
ONT 90000-90499; 90500-90999
RDG 103000-103299
SL-SF 140000-140038
SOO 136000-136198 even #s
SRR 10000-12022; 12023-13042; 13043-13063; 13064-14395; 260500-26099; 261000-262036; 306000-307021
SP 32770-33269; 33270-33519; 335200-34019; 34020-34519; 37840-38089; 38090-38339; 38340-38589; 38590-38839
T&P 1700-1724; 3900-3919; 40000-40499; 40500-40999
UP 182812-18399; 184000-185899
WP 20001- 20200 These were 9'6" IH.

The RPC #35's roster data pages gives much detail, such as roof,brake and other details. Anyone viewing this post with questions about a particular Rail Road's details, PM me and I will answer those questions. I would encourage a purchase of the book, as it is a very well researched and detailed offering.

Southern, Union Pacific, Santa Fe, both Canadian transcons and the Southern Pacific were huge purchasers of this car design.

Wish everyone a safe and very well day.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Sal G10 gons

Gary Bechdol
 

Brian:

Seaboard Coast Line Modeler had an article on building these cars several years ago, but I don't remember the issue number.  Check with the ACL SAL HS. They may be able to point you in the right direction. 

Gary Bechdol 
Stone Mountain, Ga 

On Sat, Nov 28, 2020, 4:13 PM Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I picked up a Southbound Modelworks Seaboard low side gon recently, former Wrighttrak I believe.  There are a few pics in the instructions but they are small. Looking for more information on the G10 prototype and especially underbody information. Did the ACL/sal modeler ezine cover these cars? I know Bob’s photos has a few photos but who knows when I’ll see Bob again.

Brian J. Carlson






Re: Car ID just for fun

Brent Greer
 

looks like the whole trainlife magazine database is down.  I can't access any of their listings.

Brent


Dr. J. Brent Greer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 3:48 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Car ID just for fun
 
Clark Propst wrote:
"Not sure the road on the door and a half box Boston & Albany maybe?"

I agree with the assessment that this is a Chesapeake & Ohio rebuild.  Boston and Albany did have 1-1/2 door automobile boxcars, but these were double-sheathed boxcars (B&A 56000-56039, Lot 322-B, 40 cars), built 1915, retired 1948.  (Lot 322-B also contained cars built for Big 4, NOR, LE&W, MCRR, NYC, and P&E totaling 989 cars.)
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/lot-322.jpg  


Clark wrote:
"The hopper kind of looks like the one offered by Roundhouse?" and "I've convinced myself the three bay hopper is the MDC car. Now anyone know what RRs had cars like that?"

Fenton Wells replied:
"The 3 bay offset side hopper could be an MDC but I'd opt for the old Stewart, Accurail or Bowser." and "Quite a few. I know SR did but many others did as well."

Fenton, you're incorrect as the Devil is in the details.  Early offset hoppers introduced in the late 1920s featured a shorter taper akin to that seen on contemporary quad hoppers (familiar to HO scale modelers as the much-abused Athearn quad).  The MDC model features the short taper.  These were used by a fairly small number of railroads; DL&W and NYC come to mind.  The cars modeled by the Stewart/Bowser and Accurail models are AAR standard triples introduced at the beginning of WWII and have many users.  See Richard Hendrickson and Ed Hawkins' RMJ articles for more information (linked below):
http://magazine.trainlife.com/rmj_1995_4/ 
http://magazine.trainlife.com/rmj_1995_8/ 
http://magazine.trainlife.com/rmj_1996_5/ 


Back to Clark's photo: I agree that this is one of the early offset triples.  The short taper clearly shows in the photo.  As for railroads, the NYC cars were 2000 cars in Lots 524-H (NYC), 556-H (NYC), 597-H (B&A) and are essentially offset versions of the USRA-design triple hopper.
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/lot-597.jpg 
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/b&a-25144.jpg 
  
Unfortunately, there are no good models of these cars in HO scale.  The MDC model is putrid - the side sill is too deep, the hoppers are too shallow, and it has the incorrect number of side stakes (visible at the top of the car in the offset).  I've entertained cutting up an Athearn quad into a triple, but it's on the long list of things to do.


Ben Hom






Re: HO WP 1916 built 40' SS box car resin parts

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Andy and Friends,

Small correction. The 8051-series disappeared somewhat earlier from the interchange roster than 1950. Based on materials I have in my collection:

In the January ORER 1941 there were still 47 cars listed in the 15001-series, which are noted as still having arch bar trucks. There are 100 cars listed in the 26001 series, now riding on Andrews trucks, since there is no exception noted for arch bar trucks. The 8051 series does not exist at all.

In January 1943 ORER there were still 35 cars left in service in the 15001 series, and still on arch bar trucks. The 26001 series has now grown to 125 cars. Given that there had been 14 cabooses rebuilt from 15001-series cars in 1942, the numbers don't add up. What I suggest is that some cars were still on the deadline awaiting scrapping, and were pulled for rebuilding.

The next time these cars appear in my collection is in a general arrangement drawing dated 3/16/43 showing 8051-8085 as assigned to "store materials" service, still on arch bar trucks. Among the notes on this sheet, it says "35 remain in WP service as of May 1, 1942". That gives us a 10 1/2 month window for when these cars were first renumbered as 8051, then moved into MW service. I wish I had ORER pages or AFEs for these years, but I don't have a complete run. Maybe somebody can fill in this gap. It is possible that these cars never operated in revenue service as 8051-8085, but that block doesn't match the WP's usual MW car numbering. 

My drawing is from a reprint of WP's book of MW general arrangement drawings sold many years ago by the Feather River Railroad Society. It appears to have been based on drawings in the late 1960s, so besides the dwindling number of 26001-series plaster service cars, a few of these were still around way past our period of interest.  Indeed, the photo of 8078 you showed us a few days ago shows the car clearly marked "ASSIGNED TO STORE MATERIAL SERVICE" on the door. Also, after retirement, some of the 26001-series care continued in MW service. Photos of two are found in Jim Eager's WESTERN PACIFIC COLOR GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 1:50 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
Offered, one only-

I have a set of castings to do a WP Pullman built 1916 40' SS box car in HO resin. Buyer will get the complete set of castings, which includes the under frame with separate cross-ties, roof with roof supports, sides, styrene AB brake set and a new decal set made specifically for these cars for both 8051-8085 and 26xxx series and includes lettering diagrams and list of plaster assignments.

I have been informed that the decal set can do 15001-16000 series from 1922 on to 1942.

WP took over 100 cars in 1942 and upgraded to AB brakes for 26xxx series of plaster service cars. These cars served until 1965.

35 cars in 1942 were left in general exchange service and were re-numbered into WP 8051-8085 series. Some,maybe all were converted to AB brakes and served in general service until all were gone in 1950.

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WP 8078 in company service in 1958 (Picture is from the Gerstley collection).

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I only have one car available.
Offered for $55, shipping included to the US.
I accept checks or money orders. With a small fee I accept PayPal.

Contact me at <midcentury@...> of list please for more details.


Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA




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Sal G10 gons

Brian Carlson
 

I picked up a Southbound Modelworks Seaboard low side gon recently, former Wrighttrak I believe. There are a few pics in the instructions but they are small. Looking for more information on the G10 prototype and especially underbody information. Did the ACL/sal modeler ezine cover these cars? I know Bob’s photos has a few photos but who knows when I’ll see Bob again.

Brian J. Carlson


Re: A list of square corner '37 AAR box cars

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Aw, Tim. You tantalized us. 

The three known 10' 6" S-corner 40' all-steel boxcar owners were DSS&A, IC, and Soo.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 11:53 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

And there were 3 who bought S-cornered "modified 1937" AAR box cars as well... the ancient Athearn blue box car. :-)


On 11/28/2020 11:39 AM, Andy Carlson wrote:

Hello folks-
1936 to 1940 were the years that large numbers of square corner Drednaught end equipped '37 AAR box cars were built. As can be seen in the list below of these square corner end cars, there were many 10s of thousands of them built in both Canada and the US.

This list is from data in the recently released volume on 1937 AAR box cars by Pat Wider, continuing the fine series of Railroad Prototype Cyclopedias.

Square corner end '37 AAR rosters by RR:

ATSF 136000-136499; 136500-137999; 138000-138499;
B&O 384000-384499
C&EI 64000-64499
C&O 4000-4499; 4500-4999; 5000-5399; 5400-5499
CN had 1000s
CP had 1000s
ERIE 78000-78499
ITC 6000-6099
KCS 14000-14199; 17000-17499; 17450-17749
NKP 15000-15499; 15500-15999
ONT 90000-90499; 90500-90999
RDG 103000-103299
SL-SF 140000-140038
SOO 136000-136198 even #s
SRR 10000-12022; 12023-13042; 13043-13063; 13064-14395; 260500-26099; 261000-262036; 306000-307021
SP 32770-33269; 33270-33519; 335200-34019; 34020-34519; 37840-38089; 38090-38339; 38340-38589; 38590-38839
T&P 1700-1724; 3900-3919; 40000-40499; 40500-40999
UP 182812-18399; 184000-185899
WP 20001- 20200 These were 9'6" IH.

The RPC #35's roster data pages gives much detail, such as roof,brake and other details. Anyone viewing this post with questions about a particular Rail Road's details, PM me and I will answer those questions. I would encourage a purchase of the book, as it is a very well researched and detailed offering.

Southern, Union Pacific, Santa Fe, both Canadian transcons and the Southern Pacific were huge purchasers of this car design.

Wish everyone a safe and very well day.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


SOLD: HO WP 1916 built 40' SS box car resin parts

Andy Carlson
 

This car has been sold. Thanks for all who responded.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

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Tangent Scale Models GATC 8,000 Gallon Insulated 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

Andy Carlson
 

Out west we had a large regional gasoline retail brand called Signal Oil Co. which started out by buying and reselling Well Head Gas which was the liquid found around the well (as Tim mentions) which burned well enough to be used on low compression engines which were the norm in those early days. Richard Hendrickson years ago gave me a photo of a Signal Company tank car. I believe that the company was bought out by standard Oil of California, but kept its independence all through the 1960s. It had a very cool company color logo of the old semaphore style of a traffic signal. Gas pumps, station road maps and company oil cans are quite collectable

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Saturday, November 28, 2020, 10:05:36 AM PST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Jeff

I think at that time they produced "NATURAL GASOLINE" - this was the highly volatile stuff that came
straight out of the ground. I'm guessing that insulated cars may have had less chance of volatiles leaking out?
Would such a car would be an ICC 104, instead of an insulated ICC 103
--
Tim O'Connor
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Re: [Espee] Photo: SP Livestock Car 74207

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

Photo: SP Livestock Car 74207
A Roy Platt photo from the Wicked City Chronicle:

  Obviously not a very good "class portrait" but a fine modeler's view with a number of details well shown. I like the missing board. Maybe I will try modeling that.

Tony Thompson




Re: Pacific Fruit Express Data Boxes

Tony Thompson
 

William Reed wrote:

Not sure if this was answered or not but it looks like repack dates for the journals. Don't know if the upper and lower box had separate significance or not. I can barely make out the wording on one of your photos and it appears to say RPKD which would stand for "Repacked".  This was usually accompanied by a date and location of where that service took place. Hope this helps.

    William is right, beat me to it. There are two boxes but they were used in sequence,, oldest one replaced with every repack.

Tony Thompson



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