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Re: C&NW colors uploaded

gary laakso
 

That will be the color that I use on the two in-line following the W&LE, ACL and the P&WV gondolas, all of which are black. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Adams
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 9:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&NW colors uploaded

 

Thanks Gary for pointing that out. I missed it in spite of several reads of the article. 

This is the Accurail gondola body in the Tamiya Red Oxide Primer. Perhaps it could qualify as a "fairly bright oxide red". 

--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: A list of square corner '37 AAR box cars

Jeffrey White
 

That will be great! A correct IC steel boxcar!

Jeff White

Alma, IL

On 11/30/2020 8:58 AM, Frank Hodina wrote:
Working on finishing up a new one-peice body kit for the IC square corner post cars.

Frank Hodina
Resin Car Works


Re: A list of square corner '37 AAR box cars

Jeffrey White
 

Tim,

The diagram for the IC cars shows the IH at 10' 4 7/8" at the sides. So the difference is 1 1/8". 

Jeff White

Alma, IL

On 11/30/2020 9:30 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Has anyone got proof (dimension drawing or blueprint) that shows where the 2" may be found? For example
on some cars the doors were hung a bit lower. And floor thickness and materials are variable. And some cars
received 'finished' interior roof linings. Just wonderin' ... the IC was definitely not the only operator of 10'4" IH
box cars.


On 11/28/2020 7:38 PM, Rich C via groups.io wrote:
True, but I won't tell anyone, lol. The 3 foot rule applies
Rich Christie

On Saturday, November 28, 2020, 06:33:15 PM CST, Tim via groups.io <atoolman2@...> wrote:


The Illinois Central IH was 10’4”. 

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: C&NW colors uploaded

Ken Adams
 

Thanks Gary for pointing that out. I missed it in spite of several reads of the article. 

This is the Accurail gondola body in the Tamiya Red Oxide Primer. Perhaps it could qualify as a "fairly bright oxide red". 

--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: C&I Hopper

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi George and List Members,
 
I have seen a photo of a CTH&SE (Chicago, Terre Haute, and Southerstern, a Milwaukee Road subsidiary) twin hopper wrecked on the RUTLAND railroad.
 
So clearly hoppers could get around at least occasionally, altho maybe less so than other car types.
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&I Hopper

In Ed Wolfe's book on the small, Appalachian railroad, the Interstate, he mentioned they tracked off line cars and some were months in returning.  They had to threaten the B&O who was  the worse for using Interstate hoppers in their area.  Interstate hoppers went north to piers on the great lakes.  Oddly, i have seen a 1953 photo of a Lehigh Valley twin hopper wrecked on the Interstate.  In the early days of this hobby. both Al Kalmbach and Bruce Chubb, following Al,  put out the commonsense, but inaccurate idea that cars did not travel far from home.   If a customer had an order for a hundred cars of coal and the railroad only had 90 cars, it would have been bad business practice to not use 10 foreign hoppers on your line and available.  Or you could inform the customer he would have to wait while you sent the extra foreign road cars home because you could not use them.  Perhaps a misunderstanding on my part, but I thought each ARA railroad had to contribute their share of whatever kind of regular car to the national pool for boxcars and gons and flats. If your railroad did 8% of the boxcar business, then the ARA expected you to built and contribute 8% of the boxcars which could go anywhere.  Back on topic, I've seen DVD's of the N&W moving blocks of Interstate hoppers to their docks in Norfolk.



George Courtney


TRAINLIFE site issues - used to be Car ID just for fun

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
I too have has much trouble accessing the TRAINLIFE site.
 
One work-around that I have found, that appears to work as of this current moment, is to build a URL that is based around the example shown below...
 
 
Clicking on the above URL will take you to the May 1991 issue of Model Railroading from the TRAINLIFE site. As mentioned, this appears to work as of the moment, even though the 'normal' access to the site is currently down
 
Note that the URL has a four digit year and a two digit month near the end just before the period. By altering this year and month to what you want, you can access other back issues of Model Railroading
 
I imagine if you know the correct three-letter code to substitute for "mrr" in the example URL you may be able to access other magazines besides Model Railroading
 
Hope this helps
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Car ID just for fun

I just tried it (Sunday, 11/29, 4:28 PDT) and got down to the third menu, tried a specific issue and got the “"Error establishing a data base connection"

 

Jim van Gaasbeek

Irvine, CA

 

 


Photo: ATSF 126970 Bx-12 (1968)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: ATSF 126970 Bx-12 (1968)

A photo courtesy of Stan Kistler.

One of 3,500 Bx-12s purchased by Santa Fe in 1930 from three different builders.  This car was built by Pullman.

Sign on car (probably) reads "Assigned To Signal Dept."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: A list of square corner '37 AAR box cars

Tim O'Connor
 


Careful! I have not double-checked this, but I -think- the Yarmouth 5-5 end may be an old Kirlin resin cast end
which was a 5-5 end made for some Canadian 10-0 IH 1937 AAR box cars. I am not familiar with Chad's door.



On 11/28/2020 5:41 PM, Rich C via groups.io wrote:
Sunshine and later  Resin Car Works made mini-kits to use with the Intermountain Modified Height car, for those roads. Of course they have been sold out. Chad Boas and Pierre Oliver (Yarmouth Model Works) offer the square corner 5/5's

Rich Christie

On Saturday, November 28, 2020, 03:05:43 PM CST, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Aw, Tim. You tantalized us. 

The three known 10' 6" S-corner 40' all-steel boxcar owners were DSS&A, IC, and Soo.


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: A list of square corner '37 AAR box cars

Frank Hodina
 

The diagram has an inside clear height of 10'-4 7/8". The general arrangement has it at 10'-5 15/32" (like it can be measured that close). Looks like the number is rounded down to the nearest even inch.

Frank Hodina 


Re: Car ID just for fun

O Fenton Wells
 

It certainly is not working for me
fenton

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 10:09 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Garth, it's the actual magazine pages that fail with an error code. Maybe it works for some people.
The world wide web is becoming increasingly fractured.

http://magazine.trainlife.com/ptm_1986_8/


On 11/28/2020 6:51 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Ed,

I just got in with no problem using this URL: https://www.trainlife.com/pages/the-magazine-library .

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 6:24 PM Ed Shoben <ejshoben@...> wrote:
I too found trainlife’s magazine section down. -Ed




--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: A list of square corner '37 AAR box cars

Tim O'Connor
 


Has anyone got proof (dimension drawing or blueprint) that shows where the 2" may be found? For example
on some cars the doors were hung a bit lower. And floor thickness and materials are variable. And some cars
received 'finished' interior roof linings. Just wonderin' ... the IC was definitely not the only operator of 10'4" IH
box cars.


On 11/28/2020 7:38 PM, Rich C via groups.io wrote:
True, but I won't tell anyone, lol. The 3 foot rule applies
Rich Christie

On Saturday, November 28, 2020, 06:33:15 PM CST, Tim via groups.io <atoolman2@...> wrote:


The Illinois Central IH was 10’4”. 

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Car ID just for fun

Tim O'Connor
 


Garth, it's the actual magazine pages that fail with an error code. Maybe it works for some people.
The world wide web is becoming increasingly fractured.

http://magazine.trainlife.com/ptm_1986_8/


On 11/28/2020 6:51 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Ed,

I just got in with no problem using this URL: https://www.trainlife.com/pages/the-magazine-library .

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 6:24 PM Ed Shoben <ejshoben@...> wrote:
I too found trainlife’s magazine section down. -Ed




--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: A list of square corner '37 AAR box cars

Frank Hodina
 

Working on finishing up a new one-peice body kit for the IC square corner post cars.

Frank Hodina
Resin Car Works


Re: C&I Hopper

Ray Breyer
 

In contemporary railroad engineering terms, that's a steel frame, outside framed boxcar (what they called these cars when built in the 1909-1916 period when most of them were built).

In HOBBY terms, these are either called Fowlers or Dominion cars, depending on which side of the icy borderlands you're from. (odd thing about the Dominion name; most of these cars were built by CC&F, but nobody calls them that....)

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



On Sunday, November 29, 2020, 04:20:24 PM CST, vincent altiere via groups.io <steel77086@...> wrote:


Is that  Fowler boxcar ??

Vince Altiere


-----Original Message-----
From: vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Nov 29, 2020 11:17 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&I Hopper

Wow, what a photo! And at the far right there are two people thoughtless directly under the flying box car...
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 28. November 2020 um 17:47 Uhr
Von: "Eric Hansmann" <eric@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&I Hopper
Those C&I hoppers have been travelling for years. Here’s one in an Andover, MA, wreck, circa 1929.
 
 
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
 
 
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 5:42 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] C&I Hopper
 
Friends,
 
While rambling through my collection, I came upon this view of Cambria & Indiana hopper 1888. Oddly, this was taken in Charlottesville, Virginia, on the C&O (well, really CSX by then), probably in late 1984. What a car from a 35-mile Pennsylvania shortline was doing in a C&O train is beyond me.
 
In those days, the former C&O Mountain Division saw many trains each way. Trains stopped on the west side of town before moving into the small yard. This happened to be right behind the computer store where I worked, so I often got a good view of cars, though few photos. 
 
This car series is not listed in my October 1958 ORER, so I suspect it was a second-hand purchase, possibly beyond our era of interest, though the car itself certainly dates to our period.
 
Yours Aye,
 
 
Garth Groff
 
 
 


Re: Pacific Fruit Express Data Boxes

Tony Thompson
 

Mark Vinski wrote:

"William is right, beat me to it. There are two boxes but they were used in sequence,, oldest one replaced with every repack"
Tony Thompson

So does that mean that there are two repacking data sets present on the car after the initial one? Or do they paint out the old set and then have a place to stencil the new set without having to wait for the paint to dry? That seems to be what the center picture shows.

    I hadn't thought about it this way, but I think Mark is right about the intention; however, almost every photo I have of cars in service shows only the top box in use. The second box was intended as a convenience, according to my interviews with retired PFE people, but perhaps most workers doing such a stencil were used to making a paint patch, then stencil, and thus continued to use the upper box only.

Tony Thompson




Re: Pacific Fruit Express Data Boxes

Mark Vinski
 

"William is right, beat me to it. There are two boxes but they were used in sequence,, oldest one replaced with every repack"
Tony Thompson

So does that mean that there are two repacking data sets present on the car after the initial one? Or do they paint out the old set and then have a place to stencil the new set without having to wait for the paint to dry? That seems to be what the center picture shows.

Mark Vinski


Re: Car ID just for fun

Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek
 

I just tried it (Sunday, 11/29, 4:28 PDT) and got down to the third menu, tried a specific issue and got the “"Error establishing a data base connection"

 

Jim van Gaasbeek

Irvine, CA

 

 


Re: C&NW colors uploaded

gary laakso
 

Oops, forgot my name as Bailey the Bengal tapped the iPadd.

Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock


On Nov 29, 2020, at 4:21 PM, Gary <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

Part One of Jeffrey Koehler article in the May, 2005 issue of Mainline Modeler on page 43 stated ...”The North Western’s 11-panel gondolas were painted in the company’s standard freight car color (a fairly bright oxide red) with white lettering and black/white heralds.”  


On Nov 29, 2020, at 3:53 PM, Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:


Tim O'Conner et all

This was found on a search the files for STMFC. 

I am in the process of enhancing an Accurail AAR 41 foot gondola into a reasonable facsimile of a CNW 130701-131600 1948 build car but found that the old yahoo groups STMF Files/Colors/cnw1-9 jpg's do  not appear to have made the transition to groups.io either as files or photos. It does not appear to be on the old STMFC website either. 

Any suggestions for prototype color photos are needed as I am trying to determine what shade of Vallejo Model Color brown to wash over a Tamiya oxide primer base to reasonably produce a CNW Freight Car brown as it would appear when the car is about 2-6 years old.  Note that I do not use an air brush so TCP paints or other air brush application required paints are of no use to me. 

The car body is currently primed but I am waiting for Ted Culotta's CNW gondola decals and Molocco Barber S-2 trucks to arrive. 
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: C&NW colors uploaded

gary laakso
 

Part One of Jeffrey Koehler article in the May, 2005 issue of Mainline Modeler on page 43 stated ...”The North Western’s 11-panel gondolas were painted in the company’s standard freight car color (a fairly bright oxide red) with white lettering and black/white heralds.”  


On Nov 29, 2020, at 3:53 PM, Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:


Tim O'Conner et all

This was found on a search the files for STMFC. 

I am in the process of enhancing an Accurail AAR 41 foot gondola into a reasonable facsimile of a CNW 130701-131600 1948 build car but found that the old yahoo groups STMF Files/Colors/cnw1-9 jpg's do  not appear to have made the transition to groups.io either as files or photos. It does not appear to be on the old STMFC website either. 

Any suggestions for prototype color photos are needed as I am trying to determine what shade of Vallejo Model Color brown to wash over a Tamiya oxide primer base to reasonably produce a CNW Freight Car brown as it would appear when the car is about 2-6 years old.  Note that I do not use an air brush so TCP paints or other air brush application required paints are of no use to me. 

The car body is currently primed but I am waiting for Ted Culotta's CNW gondola decals and Molocco Barber S-2 trucks to arrive. 
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Re: C&I Hopper

Brian Carlson
 

your understanding of boxcars, gons and flats is incorrect. 

Certain industries had boxcar pooling agreements where railroads contributed a percentage of cars  but in the life of this list it was a later development.  

Boxcars and to a certain extent flats did operate nationwide basis based on their percentages.  But it wasn’t spelled out by the ARA or AAR. 

World war years were different of course. 

Lists of information in the list archives if you search. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Nov 29, 2020, at 6:36 PM, George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3@...> wrote:

In Ed Wolfe's book on the small, Appalachian railroad, the Interstate, he mentioned they tracked off line cars and some were months in returning.  They had to threaten the B&O who was  the worse for using Interstate hoppers in their area.  Interstate hoppers went north to piers on the great lakes.  Oddly, i have seen a 1953 photo of a Lehigh Valley twin hopper wrecked on the Interstate.  In the early days of this hobby. both Al Kalmbach and Bruce Chubb, following Al,  put out the commonsense, but inaccurate idea that cars did not travel far from home.   If a customer had an order for a hundred cars of coal and the railroad only had 90 cars, it would have been bad business practice to not use 10 foreign hoppers on your line and available.  Or you could inform the customer he would have to wait while you sent the extra foreign road cars home because you could not use them.  Perhaps a misunderstanding on my part, but I thought each ARA railroad had to contribute their share of whatever kind of regular car to the national pool for boxcars and gons and flats. If your railroad did 8% of the boxcar business, then the ARA expected you to built and contribute 8% of the boxcars which could go anywhere.  Back on topic, I've seen DVD's of the N&W moving blocks of Interstate hoppers to their docks in Norfolk.



George Courtney

9101 - 9120 of 188733