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Re: Etched brass parts was Re: [RealSTMFC] Frisco “Sawtooth” boxcar photo

steve_wintner
 

I suppose one could etch a simple L with the holes. Design it for one peaked roof, file it to match the radial roof if needed. Then use a short stub of styrene to support the center of the L, under the central board. That'd look ok from some angles, but not all. In the same fashion, a stub of PB wire into a hole in the roof could support the etched L, might look better. (Kinda like moloco did, except in metal.) Fiddly though. 

Steve


Re: Okay You Gondola Devotees

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Gary,

Look at the similar car in the upper right of this photo to see what Richard means.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 1:05 PM Richard Townsend via groups.io <richtownsend=netscape.net@groups.io> wrote:
I think what you are seeing is the side sheathing angling in toward the center of the car, not cut out holes. You can see that on the inside of the car relative to the opposite side.






Re: Another means of adding chalk markings

Tony Thompson
 

Ben Hom, responding to Chuck Cover, wrote:

To answer:
1. The norm.
2. Virtually all cars, with increasing number of marks between repaints as old marks remained on the car and were gradually obliterated over time.  Only a brand new car fresh out of the shop or builder would lack them.
3. All types of cars would have them.

    Full agreement, and I know Richard Hendrickson had reached the identical conclusions. Incidentally, he pointed out that though white chalk was by far most common, both yellow and blue were sometimes seen.

Tony Thompson




Re: Another means of adding chalk markings

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

How about these scribbles? At least they were done in chalk and not spray paint.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 12:28 PM Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
Chuck Cover asked:
"I am wondering if anyone can tell me how common chalk marks actually were?  I know there are some prototype photos with clear chalk marks, however, are they the exception or the norm?  What percentage of our models should have chalk marks?  Are chalk marks most common on box cars?"

To answer:
1. The norm.
2. Virtually all cars, with increasing number of marks between repaints as old marks remained on the car and were gradually obliterated over time.  Only a brand new car fresh out of the shop or builder would lack them.
3. All types of cars would have them.


Ben Hom


Re: Okay You Gondola Devotees

Richard Townsend
 

I think what you are seeing is the side sheathing angling in toward the center of the car, not cut out holes. You can see that on the inside of the car relative to the opposite side.


Re: Another means of adding chalk markings

Tim O'Connor
 

Chuck

Michael Gross's model here showing a mixture of chalk ages and colors, which was completely typical

And a Reading gondola shows chalk marks of different ages overlapping each other, also typical


On 12/2/2020 12:28 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Chuck Cover asked:
"I am wondering if anyone can tell me how common chalk marks actually were?  I know there are some prototype photos with clear chalk marks, however, are they the exception or the norm?  What percentage of our models should have chalk marks?  Are chalk marks most common on box cars?"

To answer:
1. The norm.
2. Virtually all cars, with increasing number of marks between repaints as old marks remained on the car and were gradually obliterated over time.  Only a brand new car fresh out of the shop or builder would lack them.
3. All types of cars would have them.


Ben Hom


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Okay You Gondola Devotees

gary laakso
 

While the company service tank cars and the DRGW 4-8-4 are extra eye candy, the DGRW gondola in the foreground on the left is the subject of this question.  What are the cut holes on the side of the car for?  I have not seen that feature in a gondola before.  Note too, the gusset plates cover part of the inside of the car, not just the top of the end and side.   The car also has wonderful residue of gunk in it that has not been cleaned out.

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1947-Jan-Salt-Lake-City/i-DsQZffL/A 

 

Gary “I know the Grande did things differently” Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: Another means of adding chalk markings

Steve SANDIFER
 

Also remember that this is chalk, and it washes off and in many photos is light or smeared in appearance – a plus for pencil vs. ink.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chuck Cover
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 11:19 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Another means of adding chalk markings

 

I am wondering if anyone can tell me how common chalk marks actually were?  I know there are some prototype photos with clear chalk marks, however, are they the exception or the norm?  What percentage of our models should have chalk marks?  Are chalk marks most common on box cars?

 

Thanks

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: Another means of adding chalk markings

Benjamin Hom
 

Chuck Cover asked:
"I am wondering if anyone can tell me how common chalk marks actually were?  I know there are some prototype photos with clear chalk marks, however, are they the exception or the norm?  What percentage of our models should have chalk marks?  Are chalk marks most common on box cars?"

To answer:
1. The norm.
2. Virtually all cars, with increasing number of marks between repaints as old marks remained on the car and were gradually obliterated over time.  Only a brand new car fresh out of the shop or builder would lack them.
3. All types of cars would have them.


Ben Hom


Re: Another means of adding chalk markings

Chuck Cover
 

I am wondering if anyone can tell me how common chalk marks actually were?  I know there are some prototype photos with clear chalk marks, however, are they the exception or the norm?  What percentage of our models should have chalk marks?  Are chalk marks most common on box cars?

 

Thanks

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: A list of square corner '37 AAR box cars

Michael Gross
 

Looking very good, Frank!
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: Another means of adding chalk markings

Michael Gross
 

Looks very good!
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: Allan Seebach

Benjamin Hom
 

Pierre Oliver asked:
"Would Allan Seebach of Tappan NY, please contact me offlist. Or if anyone knows him , please forward this to him."

Sadly, he's another model railroad community casualty of COVID-19 and passed back in April.


Ben Hom


Etched brass parts was Re: [RealSTMFC] Frisco “Sawtooth” boxcar photo

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

Note that Moloco does make these in plastic.

The running board supports on the rooftop would appear to be pretty easy to make, until you think about it... How would you attach them to the roof? I suppose that a squared off "C" would work with the bottom glued to the roof and the top to the running boards. Note that the bottom contour would be an issue, with alternatives needed for radial and peaked roofs and then let's not even get into the different proprietary roofs such as the PRR's two different roof profiles on the X31/32/33 series of cars. For a radial roof, you are SOL, but you could address this for peaked roofs by making the bottom into two tabs with bend lines on an angle to match the roof peak. Bending them would be pretty easy.

While we're talking brass parts, the Pullman side sill tabs, with their distinctive vertical parts would also be a neat idea. They are available in resin from National Scale car, but again, to be accurate, they shouldn't be thick. They should be "C" shaped with the cross bearers and cross ties fitted into the "C".

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Guy Wilber via groups.io <guycwilber@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:33 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Frisco “Sawtooth” boxcar photo
 
R. J. Dial wrote:

“YMW has the lateral supports, that should help Marty. I was referring to the longitudinal running board supports ("saddles" is the industry term on drawings).”

As “Latitudinal Running Board” is the official term used by The MCBA, ARA and AAR.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada






Re: Frisco “Sawtooth” boxcar photo

Guy Wilber
 

R. J. Dial wrote:

“YMW has the lateral supports, that should help Marty. I was referring to the longitudinal running board supports ("saddles" is the industry term on drawings).”

As “Latitudinal Running Board” is the official term used by The MCBA, ARA and AAR.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: Frisco “Sawtooth” boxcar photo

radiodial868
 

YMW has the lateral supports, that should help Marty. I was referring to the longitudinal running board supports ("saddles" is the industry term on drawings).


-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Allan Seebach

Pierre Oliver
 

Would Allan Seebach of Tappan NY, please contact me offlist.
Or if anyone knows him , please forward this to him
Thanks

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: Another means of adding chalk markings

Tim O'Connor
 


I have used the Gelly Roll pens for years. 05 is the smallest size. I think the larger size looks
better on loads of steel plate for example. I bought them at Michael's and on Amazon.


On 12/2/2020 9:42 AM, Charlie Duckworth wrote:
Bob
not yet, I’ll airbrush a flat coat over them and let you know.  I also want to see how to remove them. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: EJ&E twin hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 


built in 1940, then


On 12/1/2020 8:01 PM, Rich C via groups.io wrote:
These cars were actually built as offset hoppers in 1953 series 41000-41699. Don't know when they were rebuilt to ribside twins.

Rich Christie

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020, 02:52:14 PM CST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



I think they were built in 1940. No models in HO but you might be able to bash from a Stewart 3 bay or two.


On 11/30/2020 11:55 PM, Richard Townsend via groups.io wrote:
This photo, taken in Longmont, Colorado, has an EJ&E twin hopper in the background, adding more to the mentions of roaming hoppers:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Great-Western-Sugar-Co-Steam-Engine-0-4-0-T-Negative-Longmont-CO-1968/153919429158?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
Can anyone provide some information on these hoppers? Who built them and when? Is there a model in HO that would at least approximate them? Is there a source of appropriate decals, assuming a suitable model could be found?

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Another means of adding chalk markings

Charlie Duckworth
 

Bob
not yet, I’ll airbrush a flat coat over them and let you know.  I also want to see how to remove them. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

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