Bill;

They sure did.  Here they are on the PRR at Duquesne, PA., early sixties, for transfer to USSteel’s Duquesne Works.

Wish I had a couple of those!

Elden Gatwood

The NKP had a couple of series of gons in dolomite container service out of the online plant near Maple Grove, Ohio.  Same type of containers, 7 tons each IIRC.  In one of my Cycs there is an add for these containers but I am too lazy to dig it out.  As far as I know the NKP cars all went east to the mills.

Bill Darnaby

This is a pretty rare shot, maybe due to unflashy nature of the subject:

https://digital.hagley.org/1986268_1_0166

But super interesting that cars on the charging floor being unloaded for use include the scrap gon and dolomite container car.  Whose are they?  Seems LSC is Laclede Steel Co.; OK, served by who?

Elden Gatwood

The NKP had a couple of series of gons in dolomite container service out of the online plant near Maple Grove, Ohio.  Same type of containers, 7 tons each IIRC.  In one of my Cycs there is an add for these containers but I am too lazy to dig it out.  As far as I know the NKP cars all went east to the mills.

Bill Darnaby

This is a pretty rare shot, maybe due to unflashy nature of the subject:

https://digital.hagley.org/1986268_1_0166

But super interesting that cars on the charging floor being unloaded for use include the scrap gon and dolomite container car.  Whose are they?  Seems LSC is Laclede Steel Co.; OK, served by who?

Elden Gatwood

This is a pretty rare shot, maybe due to unflashy nature of the subject:

https://digital.hagley.org/1986268_1_0166

But super interesting that cars on the charging floor being unloaded for use include the scrap gon and dolomite container car.  Whose are they?  Seems LSC is Laclede Steel Co.; OK, served by who?

Elden Gatwood

On 4 Dec 2020, at 20:54, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:



Dennis Storzek writes:

 

“Few people have trouble identifying the front end of a steam locomotive,”

 

I agree, but I had my mind expanded a little last night while watching a presentation on the Welsh Highland Railway, which uses a number of Beyer-Garrat locomotives.  At one point, one of these engines is moved out onto the main line, and backs down to couple up to a passenger train  . . . with the boiler OBVIOUSLY oriented the “wrong way.”

 

On a B-G, the cab leads the boiler, somewhat in the manner of an SP Cab Forward, and likely for much the same reason.  The smoke and gasses are exhausted well behind the cab as the train moves forward.

 

Exceptions make the rule . . .

 

Schuyler

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2020 12:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Frisco “Sawtooth” boxcar photo - North/south, east/west longitude/latitude

 

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 01:59 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:

 

  You see this usage also in car service records, such as "replaced AR sideframe" (truck).

And I'm sure that's where it came from, an unambiguous way to describe a defect in need of repair. The MCB system for freight cars is one of three the railroads used, all from different origins but for the same purpose - defect reporting.

Railroad self propelled MU cars are much like freight cars in that they are intended to be bi-directional, and don't usually have distinctive front and rear ends. There is still the need, however, to be able to define where the defect in need of repair is located on the car. Since the early electric MU cars came from the same builders that built streetcars, the system already in use was adopted, and each car had a No.1 and No.2 end, the No.1 end being defined as the end with the electrical cabinet in the cab, or if no cabinet, the end with the main circuit breaker.

Few people have trouble identifying the front end of a steam locomotive, and the right and left side naturally follow, but when diesel road switchers were introduced their bi-directional nature lead to confusion. This lead the ICC to require that locomotives have the front clearly designated with the letter F stenciled on the frame, again for the purpose of defect reporting, and this requirement eventually applied to the MU fleets also.

Dennis Storzek

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 01:59 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:

 

  You see this usage also in car service records, such as "replaced AR sideframe" (truck).

And I'm sure that's where it came from, an unambiguous way to describe a defect in need of repair. The MCB system for freight cars is one of three the railroads used, all from different origins but for the same purpose - defect reporting.

Railroad self propelled MU cars are much like freight cars in that they are intended to be bi-directional, and don't usually have distinctive front and rear ends. There is still the need, however, to be able to define where the defect in need of repair is located on the car. Since the early electric MU cars came from the same builders that built streetcars, the system already in use was adopted, and each car had a No.1 and No.2 end, the No.1 end being defined as the end with the electrical cabinet in the cab, or if no cabinet, the end with the main circuit breaker.

Few people have trouble identifying the front end of a steam locomotive, and the right and left side naturally follow, but when diesel road switchers were introduced their bi-directional nature lead to confusion. This lead the ICC to require that locomotives have the front clearly designated with the letter F stenciled on the frame, again for the purpose of defect reporting, and this requirement eventually applied to the MU fleets also.

Dennis Storzek

Sharp eyes, Eric!

 

I’d love to know how and who served that plant.  This is not the way they usually work.  That mix of cars on the floor is highly unusual.

 

Powdered dolomite was a very specific load, and would only come from certain suppliers.  I wonder who?

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 2:20 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Whose gon and dolomite container cars are these?

 

The image title is: Filling scrap charging bucket, Laclede Steel Company (Alton, Ill.). Here’s a wiki page on the successor, Alton Steel. I wonder if the B&O served the plant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alton_Steel

I see a Missouri Pacific buzzsaw logo on the gon with containers.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 1:13 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Whose gon and dolomite container cars are these?

 

This is a pretty rare shot, maybe due to unflashy nature of the subject:

 

https://digital.hagley.org/1986268_1_0166

 

But super interesting that cars on the charging floor being unloaded for use include the scrap gon and dolomite container car.  Whose are they?  Seems LSC is Laclede Steel Co.; OK, served by who?

 

Elden Gatwood

The image title is: Filling scrap charging bucket, Laclede Steel Company (Alton, Ill.). Here’s a wiki page on the successor, Alton Steel. I wonder if the B&O served the plant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alton_Steel

I see a Missouri Pacific buzzsaw logo on the gon with containers.

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

This is a pretty rare shot, maybe due to unflashy nature of the subject:

https://digital.hagley.org/1986268_1_0166

But super interesting that cars on the charging floor being unloaded for use include the scrap gon and dolomite container car.  Whose are they?  Seems LSC is Laclede Steel Co.; OK, served by who?

Elden Gatwood

The image title is: Filling scrap charging bucket, Laclede Steel Company (Alton, Ill.). Here’s a wiki page on the successor, Alton Steel. I wonder if the B&O served the plant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alton_Steel

I see a Missouri Pacific buzzsaw logo on the gon with containers.

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

This is a pretty rare shot, maybe due to unflashy nature of the subject:

https://digital.hagley.org/1986268_1_0166

But super interesting that cars on the charging floor being unloaded for use include the scrap gon and dolomite container car.  Whose are they?  Seems LSC is Laclede Steel Co.; OK, served by who?

Elden Gatwood

This is a pretty rare shot, maybe due to unflashy nature of the subject:

https://digital.hagley.org/1986268_1_0166

But super interesting that cars on the charging floor being unloaded for use include the scrap gon and dolomite container car.  Whose are they?  Seems LSC is Laclede Steel Co.; OK, served by who?

Elden Gatwood

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 04:25 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:

A man who had worked for the SP once said to  me that he didn't know the marks used in yards other than his own, and didn't always know the marks used by the guys on swing shift.

I've done some research on chalk markings and this is the same information that I have found. The markings varied by yard, crew, placement and years. Sometimes the marks are intuitive but often not. They have become somewhat of a dead language.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

I suspect the GS is hauling cinders to use as fill at this new Indianapolis freight house. It could also be fine rock to mix with cement to pour for foundations.

How about that fresh stencil work! We are used to seeing newer weigh and repack stencils, but someone upgraded the roadname here. I guess it was in worse shape then the car number.

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

Interesting the loads are (essentially) dead-flat (no mounding)

Ashes from a ash pit?

Something else?

--
Ken Akerboom